Sasuke without his sharingan and Naruto without the kurama

[RasenUchihaChaos]

Kurama is an individual so it's not narutos power or tool

Sasuke without sharingan would be like kakashi good but not that good before he even had sharingan he was above his class and skilled

 

[Ripple Hole]

Kurama is an individual so it's not narutos power or tool

Sasuke without sharingan would be like kakashi good but not that good before he even had sharingan he was above his class and skilled

tell dat 2 Lee.

 

[shadowcb]

These threads are always funny. The manga stated all body and eye powers originates from the 10 tails. So everyone are just arguing over what they believed is the more preferred method to gain power.

PS: About Naruto's genjutsu skills. If Kyuubi was Naruto's only counter to genjutsu than Itachi, one of the best genjutsu, won't have been forced to tactics to defeat Naruto in genjutsu. He did that by attacking Naruto's emotions. Itachi doesn't waste movement. He wouldn't change plans if his current plan is working.

- Itachi placed Naruto in a genjutsu -

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- Naruto remembers his training to defeat genjutsu -

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- Naruto relies on his training and starts defeating the genjutsu -

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- Itachi comments on Naruto's growth and switch his strategies -

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- Itachi's new plan involves attacking Naruto's emotions -

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- because Naruto didn't stay calm and rely on his training he couldn't defeat the genjutsu -

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Beside. Sasuke only possess eye base genjutsu.

 

[Link0724]

Its funny how some people take away the Sharingan from Sasuke when someone takes the Kyuubi from Naruto, as If they're equivalent.

The Sharingan Is Sasuke's natural power which he inherited from his bloodline, The Kyuubi is another living entity.

What's equivalent to taking away what Sasuke inherited from his bloodline is to take away what Naruto inherited from his bloodline, which is his massive amounts of chakra, and stamina he has from being an Uzumaki.

Without those he can't make nearly as many Shadow Clones, and most likely wouldn't have been able to learn Sage Mode, much less master it, nor would he most likely have been able to be the Kyuubi's Jin.

Also, the Sharingan needed to be awaken, each and every tomoe, whereas Naruto had massive chakra reserves, and stamina from the start.




Obviously she wasn't talking about EMS....



Naruto Vs Sasuke without ANY external power sources equals Sasuke easily defeating Naruto with Genjutsu, the Kyuubi was Naruto's only counter.




Naruto Vs Sasuke without ANY external power source equals Sasuke easily defeating Naruto with Genjutsu, the Kyuubi was Naruto's only counter.

Sasuke would still be the best Genin regardless of Naruto's chakra control.

For example, Naruto was never good at hand seals, and didn't even know what nature elements were until he was 16, much less could perform any, whereas Sasuke by that time mastered two, his first, Fire Style, which he started using at 7/8, and his second, Lightning Style at 13.

Actually sage mode Naruto is stronger than MS sasuke as was clearly stated in the manga. So if you take away narutos kurama then you take away Itachis eyes from sasuke. Naruto was using rasengan at age 13. No Naruto wasn't born with the same talent as sasuke he was always behind sasuke but through sheer will power he caught up. And that irritates sasuke fans because sasuke is SUPPOSED to be stronger but he's not. Iruka did also state to konohamaru that only the strongest shinobi in all the village is able to become hokage and yes that includes sasuke as well. Now I'm not saying Naruto is stronger. Iruka did lol. They're both equal in strength. But Naruto wins because he's able to fight at the same level as these wonderful naturally talented uchiha.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

These threads are always funny. The manga stated all body and eye powers originates from the 10 tails. So everyone are just arguing over what they believed is the more preferred method to gain power.

PS: About Naruto's genjutsu skills. If Kyuubi was Naruto's only counter to genjutsu than Itachi, one of the best genjutsu, won't have been forced to tactics to defeat Naruto in genjutsu. He did that by attacking Naruto's emotions. Itachi doesn't waste movement. He wouldn't change plans if his current plan is working.

- Itachi placed Naruto in a genjutsu -

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- Naruto remembers his training to defeat genjutsu -

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- Naruto relies on his training and starts defeating the genjutsu -

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- Itachi comments on Naruto's growth and switch his strategies -

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to

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- Itachi's new plan involves attacking Naruto's emotions -

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- because Naruto didn't stay calm and rely on his training he couldn't defeat the genjutsu -

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Beside. Sasuke only possess eye base genjutsu.

Itachi has 30 percent of his power at the moment due to using that guys body, and he was holding back against Naruto.

At another time in the story, when everyone was searching for Itachi, Naruto was once again easily caught in Genjutsu from looking into Itachi's eyes.

Solo Glance>Naruto

Actually sage mode Naruto is stronger than MS sasuke as was clearly stated in the manga. So if you take away narutos kurama then you take away Itachis eyes from sasuke. Naruto was using rasengan at age 13. No Naruto wasn't born with the same talent as sasuke he was always behind sasuke but through sheer will power he caught up. And that irritates sasuke fans because sasuke is SUPPOSED to be stronger but he's not. Iruka did also state to konohamaru that only the strongest shinobi in all the village is able to become hokage and yes that includes sasuke as well. Now I'm not saying Naruto is stronger. Iruka did lol. They're both equal in strength. But Naruto wins because he's able to fight at the same level as these wonderful naturally talented uchiha.

In chapter 453 Zetsu said Naruto was stronger than Sasuke, who had never used Susano'o at that point.

@bold

Actually Naruto said that in chapter 1, and based on that logic 6th Hokage Kakashi>RCM Naruto. By the way, Naruto became Hokage whilst Sasuke was exploring Kaguya's dimensions.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Sounds like you can counter it easy, but you didn't for some reason.

Obviously. Me & you have discussed this to death back in the day. No need to waste time discussing it further. Just to make sure we are arguing SM vs MS and why genjutsu wouldn't one shot right?

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Obviously. Me & you have discussed this to death back in the day. No need to waste time discussing it further. Just to make sure we are arguing SM vs MS and why genjutsu wouldn't one shot right?

I don't remember discussing this with you before, and no it's not about MS Vs SM.

I said Naruto Vs Sasuke without ANY external power sources. Sage Mode uses nature energy, which is an external power source.

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And even with SM he still easily loses to Genjutsu, which Sasuke doesn't need MS for.

 

[take it easy]

Lol @ people who saying that Sasuke can without any external power source can neg Naruto. Without Itachis eyes he even cant use genjutsu.

 

[Chaosmark101]

I don't remember discussing this with you before, and no it's not about MS Vs SM.

I said Naruto Vs Sasuke without ANY external power sources. Sage Mode uses nature energy, which is an external power source.

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And even with SM he still easily loses to Genjutsu, which Sasuke doesn't need MS for.

We have on multiple occasions back in the day here on NDS.

Anyways moving on I knew you'd use that argument that natural energy is an external power but that's irrelevant as Senjutsu is part of Naruto's Own power, Much like Hashirama. As when he draws NE he merges it with his to become His Senjutsu chakra. No one elses. Much like Sasuke's Mangekyo Sharingan. It's his own sharingan/chakra produced by his brain once his brother died. It was granted to him Soley due to Indra having Sharingan & MS

When Naruto's enters Sage Mode genjutsu becomes a nonfactor as Naruto can rely soley on sensing without need to fight with his eyes open. Which renders Genjutsu moot.

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[Naruto X Hunter]

We have on multiple occasions back in the day here on NDS.

Anyways moving on I knew you'd use that argument that natural energy is an external power but that's irrelevant as Senjutsu is part of Naruto's Own power, Much like Hashirama. As when he draws NE he merges it with his to become His Senjutsu chakra. No one elses. Much like Sasuke's Mangekyo Sharingan. It's his own sharingan/chakra produced by his brain once his brother died. It was granted to him Soley due to Indra having Sharingan & MS

When Naruto's enters Sage Mode genjutsu becomes a nonfactor as Naruto can rely soley on sensing without need to fight with his eyes open. Which renders Genjutsu moot.

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Yes, natural energy is combined with the users chakra to create Senjutsu, the user is combining an outside power source with his own.

Also, Sasuke can trap someome within Genjutsu with their eyes being closed.

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And doubt Sasuke would stand around and let Naruto gather nature energy to begin with...

Lol @ people who saying that Sasuke can without any external power source can neg Naruto. Without Itachis eyes he even cant use genjutsu.

You're not intelligent.

Obviously I was talking about if Naruto and Sasuke NEVER got ANY external power sources. Sasuke got Itachi's eyes 488 chapters into the story.

 

[Warlocks]

Kurama is an individual so it's not narutos power or tool

Sasuke without sharingan would be like kakashi good but not that good before he even had sharingan he was above his class and skilled

lol wrong as jin of kurama its his power

 

[take it easy]

You're not intelligent.

Obviously I was talking about if Naruto and Sasuke NEVER got ANY external power sources. Sasuke got Itachi's eyes 488 chapters into the story.

If Naruto never got Kurama this means that his chakra control would be good since begining of the series and as you know good chakra control needed to break out of genjutsu.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

tell dat 2 Lee.

Lee was not in the same class as sasuke his team graduated before them and Neji was the prodigy then not lee

Also why are people saying kurama and sharingan it shoudk be

Uzumkai genes vs uchiha genes really naruto genes is what allows him to even spam clones be a Jin have SM

 

[Orenji Uzumaki]

Whiny ass sauce fans ....lmao I love it. They're so hurt.

 

[Orenji Uzumaki]

I think we could.all agree that if they were free of these powers/burdens and had to rely on skill alone.....sasuke would be better throughout part one and at the of of it.all...Naruto would be better

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

If Naruto never got Kurama this means that hed be had great chakra control since begining of the series and as you know good chakra control needed to break out of genjutsu.

Fail. Kakashi easily put two Anbu Black ops under Sharingan Genjutsu for days, and Zabuza, Itachi, and Sasuke easily got Orochimaru, Madara and Tobi got the Kyuubi, etc.

Whiny ass sauce fans ....lmao I love it. They're so hurt.

Ad Hominem - (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

An ad hominem argument is one that relies on personal attacks rather than reason or substance.

I think we could.all agree that if they were free of these powers/burdens and had to rely on skill alone.....sasuke would be better throughout part one and at the of of it.all...Naruto would be better

Without ANY external power sources, Sasuke>Naruto.

 

[Orenji Uzumaki]

Fail. Kakashi easily put two Anbu Black ops under Sharingan Genjutsu for days, and Zabuza, Itachi, and Sasuke easily got Orochimaru, Madara and Tobi got the Kyuubi, etc.




Ad Hominem - (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

An ad hominem argument is one that relies on personal attacks rather than reason or substance.



Without ANY external power sources, Sasuke>Naruto.

Yea ....no....ur trying to discredit the use of sage mode...u sound stupid. SM is an earned skill which takes precise chakra control and savvy. Just because sasuke doesn't have the natural reserves to perform such a feat doesn't mean you have to try so hard to handicap Naruto.

Edit.....hell it can even be disputed that naruto would still win ...even in part one.....no sharingan means no chidori due to the lack of vision cognition the speed of the attack causes......which means no chidori variations.......also ....no lee level taijutsu .......no chidori variations....just fire techs. Basically he'd be the same level as a sarutobi clan fodder

 

[Chaosmark101]

Yes, natural energy is combined with the users chakra to create Senjutsu, the user is combining an outside power source with his own.

Also, Sasuke can trap someome within Genjutsu with their eyes being closed.

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And doubt Sasuke would stand around and let Naruto gather nature energy to begin with...

You think just because he was smiling, his eye's were closed? You understand these guys are Japanese right?

Regardless. since Pain arc SM naruto has 3 clones at mt. Myoboku. He has access to 15 mins of sm so that's that

 

[BLAZE]

Can't Neg this Troll yet.Oh well will do later on.

Mods pushing NDS Garbage in VS section :wesobi:

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Yea ....no....ur trying to discredit the use of sage mode...u sound stupid. SM is an earned skill which takes precise chakra control and savvy. Just because sasuke doesn't have the natural reserves to perform such a feat doesn't mean you have to try so hard to handicap Naruto.

Edit.....hell it can even be disputed that naruto would still win ...even in part one.....no sharingan means no chidori due to the lack of vision cognition the speed of the attack causes......which means no chidori variations.......also ....no lee level taijutsu .......no chidori variations....just fire techs. Basically he'd be the same level as a sarutobi clan fodder

Fail. I pointed out how Sage Mode uses Natural energy, which is an external source, but regardless, even with Sage Mode Sasuke still wins. I made that clear in my previous comments.

If Minato and Jiraiya could do Sage Mode, don't you think Sasuke could? Lol Don't forget how the CM drew in nature energy, and made Senjutsu. Sasuke had the CM since he was 13, and mastered it by 16.

He could have learned a type of sage mode. He had the potential.

Also, really my commemt on the previous page. Taking away tbe Kyuubi from Naruto is not equivalent to taking away the Sharingan from Sasuke.

You think just because he was smiling, his eye's were closed? You understand these guys are Japanese right?

Regardless. since Pain arc SM naruto has 3 clones at mt. Myoboku. He has access to 15 mins of sm so that's that

There isn't a Japan in Naruto so they can't be Japanese. His eyes were clearly closed dude.

And look at you giving prep Time to Naruto in order to give him a chance, lol. The Sharingan, and Mangekyo Sharingan activate instantaneously, while Sage Mode requires prep time which is why it's extremely hard to load up in battle.

Just accept it, without ANY external power sources, Sasuke>Naruto, even with giving him Sage Mode.