Sasuke without his sharingan and Naruto without the kurama

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I thought it was just me that found that mental image humerous :lmao:

All while playing the benny hill theme tune.

hehe Benny Hill would cue in just fine but i would put this one to make it even more weird with a Narutoish feeling.

[video=youtube;S-eyA3EfHho]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-eyA3EfHho[/video]
 

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@Super Michael
That's true and what manga(Hagoromo) actually told.

@SpaceyOrange, stop twisting manga fact. We all know what true and what false.

In OP i was talking about circumstances which needed for awakening Sharingan and to become Kurama jinchuuriki not that Kurama=Sharingan genetically. (Part of my OP post disappear again.)
 
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Naruto is the only person capable of controlling kurama to the extent he has. Yes he wasn't born with it but he was destined to have it. Sasuke wasn't born with itachis eyes?? Naruto with sage mode beats sasuke without itachis eyes. If he doesn't beat him they both draw again. But people forget that narutonhas arguably the best chakra control in the whole show. They talk about how much more chakra he would use to attack than sasuke and Sakura but that's only because kuramas chakra was seeping through and mixing with his very own chakra MAKING it harder to control. Yet he was still able to control it to the extent that he did. So you can theoretically say if Naruto didn't have kuramas chakra throwing him off his chakra control would be the best even at genin level because kuramas chakra had an immense hand in making his chakra control bad. So nobody will ever know what kind of Justus Naruto could've mastered with that precise chakra control from the start. Regardless who cares Naruto and sasuke are equals! Get over it but Naruto wins because he's not an uchiha and he's just as strong!
 

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Tell that to the person who dies if Kurama is extracted.:lol
That aside lots of people deny that Naruto was actually born
with Kurama, even though he clearly was.

His mother was a jin who passed the chakra down to him
& it was with him at birth. Then he got more of it sealed into
him.
Completely worthless comparison. Sasuke's sharingan is the result of the chakra his body produces, Naruto's Kyuubi power is the result of Kyuubi's chakra not Naruto's. Death has nothing to do with it.

That doesn't make any sense. Naruto wasn't even born with Kurama, and if we follow your logic then Naruto has been fighting with Kurama's power the entire time so Naruto without Kurama = featless Naruto.
As someone else said, Uchiha chakra is to sasuke what Uzumaki chakra is to Naruto, the only difference is that Uchiha chakra boosts the eyes while the Uzumaki chakra boosts the rest of the body..
 
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Completely worthless comparison. Sasuke's sharingan is the result of the chakra his body produces, Naruto's Kyuubi power is the result of Kyuubi's chakra not Naruto's. Death has nothing to do with it.

That doesn't make any sense. Naruto wasn't even born with Kurama, and if we follow your logic then Naruto has been fighting with Kurama's power the entire time so Naruto without Kurama = featless Naruto.
As someone else said, Uchiha chakra is to sasuke what Uzumaki chakra is to Naruto, the only difference is that Uchiha chakra boosts the eyes while the Uzumaki chakra boosts the rest of the body..
You do realize that Naruto was born with Kurama's chakra, right?

Otherwise he wouldn't have the three whiskers on his body, he was (figuratively speaking) touched by Kurama's influence due to his mother's seal being weakened in child birth, possibly leaking chakra onto the womb and the whiskers being the result.

Either-way, the whiskers are adamant proof. And he had it before Minato placed the Kyuubi in his body.
 

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You do realize that Naruto was born with Kurama's chakra, right?

Otherwise he wouldn't have the three whiskers on his body, he was (figuratively speaking) touched by Kurama's influence due to his mother's seal being weakened in child birth, possibly leaking chakra onto the womb and the whiskers being the result.

Either-way, the whiskers are adamant proof. And he had it before Minato placed the Kyuubi in his body.
That doesn't prove anything.

Boruto and Himawari also have them yet Boruto cannot make more than 5 clones even though he is an Uzumaki.

Either way, it wouldn't change anything in regards to Kurama (the actual being) and it would just go to show that Naruto has been enjoying another free bonus this entire time along with his Uzumaki bloodline which makes taking away Sasuke's sharingan even sillier.
 

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@Super Michael

In OP i was talking about circumstances which needed for awakening Sharingan and to become Kurama jinchuuriki not that Kurama=Sharingan genetically. (Part of my OP post disappear again.)

The circumstances that are needed to awaken the sharingan don't matter. Its because they have Uchiha blood that when they meet those circumstances they can awaken the sharingan. Sharingan is genetic while Kurama is not.
 

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That doesn't prove anything.

Boruto and Himawari also have them yet Boruto cannot make more than 5 clones even though he is an Uzumaki.

Either way, it wouldn't change anything in regards to Kurama (the actual being) and it would just go to show that Naruto has been enjoying another free bonus this entire time along with his Uzumaki bloodline which makes taking away Sasuke's sharingan even sillier.
What?

Boruto and Himawari don't have three whiskers, Naruto does. It became a genetic trait after their father received him, apparently someone didn't notice that it goes down by one. Naruto is Half-Uzumaki, and Boruto is 1/4, you expect him to make that many clones? He didn't even train for the technique, it came naturally as stated in the movie. So if he can do four with ease, then with training who knows what the limit is?

Go re-read the Manga on what happens when you are touched by Kurama's chakra via unprecedented means. You gain three whiskers; Naruto (via birth), and Gold and Silver brothers.

Now if you can logically explain why Naruto would not have Kurama's chakra in his body despite having whiskers than by all means, go ahead. Just don't waste my time.
 

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Please stop making up fanfic to cover for Naruto, if you want to have a conversation use common sense.

Naruto wasn't born with Kurama, where as Sasuke was born with sharigan, get over yourself.

Naruto's source of power has its own mind & chakra. Sasuke's doesn't. Says alot about whose raw abilities alone would trump the other.

Your's is a tired and biased argument used over and over and over. So let me clarify some things for you:

1) ALL Kyuubi Jins have ALWAYS been UZUMAKI. Why? Because their GENETICS give them longevity and the large enough chakra pool to handle Kurama's chakra without dying prematurely. So YES the Uzumaki genetics is the sole reason Naruto was able (and chosen) to house the kyuubi and so upon the day of his birth. So he was still BORN with Kurama.

2.) SAGE MODE- You have to have a large enough chakra pool to actually survive the training. Kurama in no way helped with this. In fact he was hindering the ability to have Ma and Pa frog fuse with Naruto for an indefinite sage mode time span. So again, Uzumaki genetics allowed Naruto to be able to master Sage Mode. So without Kurama Naruto is still one of the top tier fighters.

3) Sasuke was NOT born with the Sharingan. In fact No Uchiha is born with the Sharingan. It is unlocked through emotional trauma. They ARE born with the pre-existing conditions to UNLOCK the Sharingan.

4) Not every Uchiha unlocks the Sharingan.

5) Without Itachi eyes Sasuke wouldn't have gotten past MS and then he would be blind from overusing it. itachi's eyes are not his eyes. I am going to use a play out of your own book. He was not born with them so they aren't his power, right?

So who beats out who in raw talent? At least lay out the facts before spouting the BS you just posted :lmao:
 

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The first comment is blatant stupidity. No one is born with the Sharingan

maybe not born with it, but sasuke earn his sharingan by himself. vs someone who was borned then gifted with a external power beast then spoon fed his powers
 

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maybe not born with it, but sasuke earn his sharingan by himself. vs someone who was borned then gifted with a external power beast then spoon fed his powers
What a joke.

Both situations were granted for the Kyuubi to be put inside Naruto, and for the Sharingan to grow and develop through Itachi's wishes.

If your calling a power spoon fed then your in for quite a debate.
 

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What a joke.

Both situations were granted for the Kyuubi to be put inside Naruto, and for the Sharingan to grow and develop through Itachi's wishes.

If your calling a power spoon fed then your in for quite a debate.

that's what I thought revert to trolling

ot- as I said one was born with the unique dna to unlock his power and one was given and spoon fed
 

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Please stop making up fanfic to cover for Naruto, if you want to have a conversation use common sense.

Naruto wasn't born with Kurama, where as Sasuke was born with sharigan, get over yourself.

Naruto's source of power has its own mind & chakra. Sasuke's doesn't. Says alot about whose raw abilities alone would trump the other.

Sorry but Sasuke wasnt born with Itachi eyes. So get over it, ur fav go blind and that is the end.
 

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Its funny how some people take away the Sharingan from Sasuke when someone takes the Kyuubi from Naruto, as If they're equivalent.

The Sharingan Is Sasuke's natural power which he inherited from his bloodline, The Kyuubi is another living entity.

What's equivalent to taking away what Sasuke inherited from his bloodline is to take away what Naruto inherited from his bloodline, which is his massive amounts of chakra, and stamina he has from being an Uzumaki.

Without those he can't make nearly as many Shadow Clones, and most likely wouldn't have been able to learn Sage Mode, much less master it, nor would he most likely have been able to be the Kyuubi's Jin.

Also, the Sharingan needed to be awaken, each and every tomoe, whereas Naruto had massive chakra reserves, and stamina from the start.


Sorry but Sasuke wasnt born with Itachi eyes. So get over it, ur fav go blind and that is the end.

Obviously she wasn't talking about EMS....

Your's is a tired and biased argument used over and over and over. So let me clarify some things for you:

1) ALL Kyuubi Jins have ALWAYS been UZUMAKI. Why? Because their GENETICS give them longevity and the large enough chakra pool to handle Kurama's chakra without dying prematurely. So YES the Uzumaki genetics is the sole reason Naruto was able (and chosen) to house the kyuubi and so upon the day of his birth. So he was still BORN with Kurama.

2.) SAGE MODE- You have to have a large enough chakra pool to actually survive the training. Kurama in no way helped with this. In fact he was hindering the ability to have Ma and Pa frog fuse with Naruto for an indefinite sage mode time span. So again, Uzumaki genetics allowed Naruto to be able to master Sage Mode. So without Kurama Naruto is still one of the top tier fighters.

3) Sasuke was NOT born with the Sharingan. In fact No Uchiha is born with the Sharingan. It is unlocked through emotional trauma. They ARE born with the pre-existing conditions to UNLOCK the Sharingan.

4) Not every Uchiha unlocks the Sharingan.

5) Without Itachi eyes Sasuke wouldn't have gotten past MS and then he would be blind from overusing it. itachi's eyes are not his eyes. I am going to use a play out of your own book. He was not born with them so they aren't his power, right?

So who beats out who in raw talent? At least lay out the facts before spouting the BS you just posted :lmao:

Naruto Vs Sasuke without ANY external power sources equals Sasuke easily defeating Naruto with Genjutsu, the Kyuubi was Naruto's only counter.


Naruto is the only person capable of controlling kurama to the extent he has. Yes he wasn't born with it but he was destined to have it. Sasuke wasn't born with itachis eyes?? Naruto with sage mode beats sasuke without itachis eyes. If he doesn't beat him they both draw again. But people forget that narutonhas arguably the best chakra control in the whole show. They talk about how much more chakra he would use to attack than sasuke and Sakura but that's only because kuramas chakra was seeping through and mixing with his very own chakra MAKING it harder to control. Yet he was still able to control it to the extent that he did. So you can theoretically say if Naruto didn't have kuramas chakra throwing him off his chakra control would be the best even at genin level because kuramas chakra had an immense hand in making his chakra control bad. So nobody will ever know what kind of Justus Naruto could've mastered with that precise chakra control from the start. Regardless who cares Naruto and sasuke are equals! Get over it but Naruto wins because he's not an uchiha and he's just as strong!

Naruto Vs Sasuke without ANY external power source equals Sasuke easily defeating Naruto with Genjutsu, the Kyuubi was Naruto's only counter.

Sasuke would still be the best Genin regardless of Naruto's chakra control.

For example, Naruto was never good at hand seals, and didn't even know what nature elements were until he was 16, much less could perform any, whereas Sasuke by that time mastered two, his first, Fire Style, which he started using at 7/8, and his second, Lightning Style at 13.
 
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Its funny how some people take away the Sharingan from Sasuke when someone takes the Kyuubi from Naruto, as If they're equivalent.

The Sharingan Is Sasuke's natural power which he inherited from his bloodline, The Kyuubi is another living entity.

What's equivalent to taking away what Sasuke inherited from his bloodline is to take away what Naruto inherited from his bloodline, which h is his massive amounts of chakra, and stamina he has from being an Uzumaki.

Without those he can't make nearly as many Shadow Clones, and most likely wouldn't have been able to learn Sage Mode, much less master it, nor would he most likely have been able to be the Kyuubi's Jin.






Obviously she wasn't talking about EMS....



Naruto Vs Sasuke without ANY external power sources equals Sasuke easily defeating Naruto with Genjutsu, the Kyuubi was Naruto's only counter.

You're right. People went against manga facts just to back up Naruto. Saying Sharingan was not born inside Uchiha is false. Yes not many Uchiha awaken MS but many of them has awaken Tomoes Sharingan.

They inherited it from Indra that inherited water down eyes power of Hagoromo.

Itachi said many Uchiha tried to awaken EMS. How they want to awaken EMS if they dont not have sharingan? Also he said many Uchiha spammed Izanagi in the past. Using what eye? they're using their KKG eyes. Natural gifted eyes god bless.

I found lately many people tried to put Sasuke in similar position as Naruto regarding of their signature power. I dont see this before in early 2014 and before that
 
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