Sasuke vs the Sannin

[TheEvilOne]

I don't know what you're trying to state with that scan. You do realise madara couldn't see at all, right?

*sigh*

Madara used the Susanoo sword to clear the mist.

 

[Nattana]

Fanfiction much? Let's be serious here, would that really take place if they fought regarding tsunade's getting lit on amaterasu and waiting for orochimaru to absorb. Rofl. Anyway's he can only use oral rebirth so many times. Jiraiya has counters to amaterasu but he get's lit up before he even manages to do anything.

I was talking about counters IN CASE THEY ACTUALLY GOT HIT BY AMATERASU.

Orochimaru has:
1. Improved Shadow Clone.
2. Mayfly.
3. Attack Prevention.
4. Chakra absorption.
5. 2 separate sensory abilities + Slithering Snake Mode/Shunshin/Hiding like a mole to dodge it.
6. Body Replacement.

Are you referring to frog genjutsu used on the pains? It did take MA and PA sometime to use it as displayed during the pain invasion against the leaf.

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is where Ma and Pa decide to use it

This

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in the same chap and when they start the prep

Pages later in the next chap Pa is still saying

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Pages later in that same chap where Pa saids hold on, this page is when it's

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.

Kidgamer isn't entirely wrong either regarding it's prep.

I'm refering to both Sound Genjutsu and instant Sound Paralysis. Getting into SM isn't as difficult as anime made it to be.

Lol I won't even lie, the bold made me lel a little bit.

Lol again with the fanfiction.. Orochimaru is going to summon rashoumon every time against a incoming attack by sasuke? Lel.

If it's what it takes to defend his teammates until they can set something up? Yeah.

And regarding orochimaru are you referring to when he fought 4tail naruto? He did gain some distance before naruto shot his tbb beam. And its not like his ttb beam was coming at lightning speed.

And PS slashes are coming up at lightning speed? Nope.
Moreover, since Susanoo is a physical manifestation of chakra, it is an obstacle to sun rays and therefore creates a shadow.
Jiraya's Shadow Manipulation takes over Sasuke's body, since his and Susanoo's shadows are connected and he's done for.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

this match up just gave me cancer ....................... are you serious ??

 

[Ace of the fire fist]

this match up just gave me cancer ....................... are you serious ??

Considering there's a couple of heated debates going on, I'd consider this match up a success.

 

[KidGamer65]

How do you know Fire sealing scroll is one use? You'll need to confirm this for me so i don't know about that...

Scroll starts blank, Jiraiya

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on it and

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I was under the impression that it was a premade scroll but regardless, still have no clue how many scrolls he has (especially since there definitely won't be an infinite amount) all he gets for now is one, if you can show that he carries more scrolls.

Don't know why anyone in their right mind would think that this is a factor when the guy has to draw a pattern, and then seal the jutsu for it to be effective. Not happening in a fight with a guy who can spam rapid fire Enton.

Gaara used

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( i think you refer to this stage as V3) externally, while he used sand internally to pull him out. Orochimaru's snakes were able to

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, what evidence that you have that it can't hold a susano'o with the added support of said susano'o being restrained in Swamp of the underworld? You'll honestly need to prove this assumption, that shadow sleeve snakes can't bind susano'o, to me.

-Sasuke's legged Susanoo is FAR FAR FAR superior to the one that was restrained with Gaara's sand, so the comparison is completely irrelevant, not to mention it never even restrained it, it held it in place and there is a clear difference.

-It blocked Shinju's roots from hitting them, different from restraining a foe and restraining a foe who is actually trying to break free. Not to mention these roots get cut up by things like Suiton, Enma, and Gunbai, not even a good comparison.

How is Susanoo stuck in the swamp going to change anything? It only causes it to sink and restrains its feet and legs, not its upper body.

You've also stated that he can burn or cut the snakes while they come through. Fair enough... However, how possible will that be with 3 sannin attacking from 3 possible angles? In fact, the same way shadow snakes can do it, jiraiya's

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. That already gives sasuke 2 angles he needs to protect from, if he chooses one, the other hits him. Now, you may entertain the idea that he can best both of these while being hindered by swamp... To that I also add in MA and PA. Sasuke's now

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by the high pitched sound and left to the whim of the sannin - In fact, I could also a

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right there and then, but I won't hit you with that one also. He isn't executing any jutsu to stop them from restraining him.

Enton can be coated on top of Susanoo, if he blocks one, he simply burns the other one up, or breaks free with Susanoo's raw strength, and again the only hindrance the swamp is causing is mobility wise, not strength wise.

Ma and Pa huh?

1. Frog Song will paralyze him, but it won't cause Susanoo to drop or stop, not at all. Sound on its own has never caused Susanoo to drop, ever. Thus he isn't getting immobilized.

2. Comparing Frog Song to White Rage doesn't help you here. White Rage inflicts blinding light, intense pain due to bones rubbing up against each other, and deafening due to the loud sound. The last two are the main reasons Susanoo dropped, cause they couldn't focus to maintain it. A paralysis jutsu that works on sound alone isn't going to cause Susanoo to drop like White Rage did.

- Sure, he can hit the mud. However, with Frog song tearing his ears up, Jiraiya's hair and oro's snakes restraining him, and tsunade coming in like a hurricane, I doubt that will be his first worry. Remember, I never stated that they're using mud and that's that. The mud is simply added restraint. Oh, btw, The swamp doesn't necessarily need to be mud,

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. In this environment, it could be rock or sand depending on where sasuke stands. In which case, it's far worse for sasuke.

Read above for Frog Song, Jiraiya's hair and Oro's snakes.

How does that scan prove it wasn't mud? It looking different doesn't mean that its not mud, as its stated that its used to change the ground below the enemy to mud.

Spoiler

Earth Release: Underworld* Swamp (土遁・黄泉沼, Doton: Yomi Numa)
Ninjutsu, A-rank, Offensive, All ranges
User: Jiraiya

The more you struggle, the more you sink
A bottomless swamp from Hell!!

By changing the ground into mud and creating a swamp, the enemy is sunk deep underground...!! The adhesive, chakra-infused mud ensnares the enemy's body. It's impossible to recover one's strength and escape from there. The size and depth of the created swamp depend on the user's skill and the amount of chakra used, but if the user is an expert in this technique, it will always be possible to make a fair-sized swamp! When fighting a great number of enemies or having to face gigantic creatures, this is an extremely effective technique.

↓The giant snake captured in this bog is prevented from moving! But if you ask Jiraiya, he'd say it is insufficient. The real goal of this technique is to completely submerge the target underground.
[picture of Orochimaru's snake summon caught in this technique]

This swamp goes down to abysmal depths!!

*Yomi is the place where the you go after death according to the Japanese Shinto mythology. Since Buddhism was introduced in Japan, it is also considered one of the Buddhist hells.

It's unlike the Western concepts of Heaven and Hell, though. It isn't a paradise in any way, nor is it a place for punsiment. All the dead, regardless of their behaviour in life, go there to carry on a gloomy and shadowy existance and rot for all eternity.

-Alright, I'll bite again. I don't like to just restate something my opponent claims is untrue. Therefore, now, I'll give you a different scenario. Instead of tsunade simply coming in on her own with a punch, it's now Oro's snakes, Jiraiya's toad's swords and tsunade's fists. As the last chapter showed, enough force

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susano'o and rip right through the user at the same time. The snakes tails + the frogs + tsunade are more than enough force for this. Now, I know you might try to claim "Oh, don't compare the 9 bijuu to blah blah", to that I raise you this. Tsunade on her own, in an isolated case, was able

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y. And, let's not forget that, unlike sakura who had a very charge punch along with the momentum of falling, tsunade did this off a simply straight jab. What happens when she drops a powered kick? Considering sasuke's immobile, there's nothing stopping her right now. In fact, tsunade's punches are far harder than any 1 or even 2 bijuu's tails... not to mention her kicks. That's of course, assuming you can provide me with a scan showing any bijuu making a massive crater in the ground?(not even the collective power of the 9 of them did this against madara)

lol what? Obviously toad weapons, snake tails, and Tsunade aren't coming close the raw power of all 9 Bijuu using a combined tail slap, not when they have the strength to

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. No such strength has EVER been shown by any of these guys to let you say that combined they are creating power equal to all 9 Bijuu hitting them altogether. Tsunade cracking a Ribcage means what here again? Much much weaker than V3, her kicking isn't going to let her significantly damage V3 when she can't even destroy Ribcage by herself.

There is no proof for the bold. Cracking a Ribcage Susanoo isn't evidence, not when Bijuu can hit each other back hundreds of meters, them not making a big crater doesn't mean anything when their attacks work differently from Tsunade's punch (Which release chakra from her fist in an explosion) and when I already have feats of her failing to destroy a V1 in one hit while all 9 Bijuu hit Susanoo at once smashed right through it.

- Well, I won't say frog song is going to drop his susano'o. However, Kabuto did prove to us that a loud enough sound (which is loud enough to paralyse) forces sasuke to release his susano'o... Seeing as frog song is so loud that it paralyses off of sheer noise, I don't see how he's keeping up susano'o. But, again, I'm not really going to use this as an argument much.

Read above.

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One shotting 9 bijuu with your mind >>> PS

Good thing he didn't one shot them, he simply knocked them around.

 

[Zavage10]

Sasuke ends this as quickly as he wants to . Give oro et then they can win.

 

[Strict]

The time Jiraiya will need to call Ma and Pa will give Sasuke the chance to slaughter them ten times. Unrestricted Sasuke rapes these fodders.

 

[Prince Charles]

PC that's just 1 of several counters to amaterasu. This one just happens to completely negate sharingan in the process giving sannin a massive advantage.

Doesn't mean much really as he can simply get out of the dusk cloud or simply activate sussano to tank any incoming attacks.

Orochimaru has:
1. Improved Shadow Clone.
2. Mayfly.
3. Attack Prevention.
4. Chakra absorption.
5. 2 separate sensory abilities + Slithering Snake Mode/Shunshin/Hiding like a mole to dodge it.
6. Body Replacement.

That's all fun and dandy, I am already ware that orochimaru has plausible counters to amaterasu but those counters alone doesn't mean he won't die due sasuke's enton manipulation.

I'm refering to both Sound Genjutsu and instant Sound Paralysis. Getting into SM isn't as difficult as anime made it to be.

Well in regards to sound genjutsu the manga has shown it to have quite a hefty time prep if I say so myself. Sound paralysis? Are you referring to the one that

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. I see no reason why sasuke can't protect himself with sussano and enton manipulation..

f it's what it takes to defend his teammates until they can set something up? Yeah.

Fanfiction.

And PS slashes are coming up at lightning speed? Nope.
Moreover, since Susanoo is a physical manifestation of chakra, it is an obstacle to sun rays and therefore creates a shadow.
Jiraya's Shadow Manipulation takes over Sasuke's body, since his and Susanoo's shadows are connected and he's done for.

Regardless orochimaru isn't summoning those gates against every singles of sasuke's attacks. Jiraiya's shadow manipulation?

............

 

[Sakuradasoloqueen]

I am not sure about this one.Sannins summons are useless when they are 1 o 1 against sasuke but with all of them combined also oro jiraiya and the support capabilities of tsunade i can see sannins win this.Sannins except jiraiya are not so good at 1 on 1 but they are powerful as a team with their respective summonings.We dont know any feat of sasuke about ps.Until we learn them sannins wins this more time than sasuke.

 

[Nattana]

That's all fun and dandy, I am already ware that orochimaru has plausible counters to amaterasu but those counters alone doesn't mean he won't die due sasuke's enton manipulation.

Orochimaru has already shown that fire isn't doing shit to him and everything I posted let's him get away far from those Enton flames. Ppl seem to forget that Enton/Amaterasu uses up chakra and Sasuke spamming it everywhere, when Oro can simply counter it is stupid. Moreover, Orochimaru can spread spores on Tsunade and Jiraya, just in case they get hit.
2 spores alone managed to drain so much from Mei in 1 sec, that that chakra alone replenished Sasuke. In such case, spores would drain Amaterasu even faster, since some flames <<< Sasuke's chakra pool.

Well in regards to sound genjutsu the manga has shown it to have quite a hefty time prep if I say so myself. Sound paralysis? Are you referring to the one that

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. I see no reason why sasuke can't protect himself with sussano and enton manipulation..

Protect himself from sound with Susanoo and Enton? Seriously?

Fanfiction.

He's already summonned 3 at once. I see no reason he couldn't summon 3, one by one.

Regardless orochimaru isn't summoning those gates against every singles of sasuke's attacks. Jiraiya's shadow manipulation?

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Gamadaira — Kageayatsuri no Jutsu

 

[Prince Charles]

.................. Yeah I can shit on your post but not worth my time.

Sasuke rapes like it or not.

 

[Nattana]

.................. Yeah I can shit on your post but not worth my time.

Sasuke rapes like it or not.

Actually these are all manga facts. None of the things you posted made any sense, sorry...

 

[Penguin]

I don't know what you're trying to state with that scan. You do realise madara couldn't see at all, right?


Tsunade heals, Jiraiya has toughened toad skin and toad sensing. Wtf? lmfao.

@PC that's just 1 of several counters to amaterasu. This one just happens to completely negate sharingan in the process giving sannin a massive advantage.

Dude, show me one scan of Jiraiya being able to sense.

 

[VolatileSoul]

Sasuke wins Mid difficulty. Low difficulty if he uses PS. All summons are controlled with Sharingan genjutsu, and are forced to fight against their summoners. Enton Magatama is enough. It hits everyone including their summons. All Sasuke has to do is spam it like a machine gun.

Tsunade is fodder here. Can't evade Amaterasu and will only prolong her suffering with Byakugo, and can't even dent complete Susano'o. Katsuyu will get controlled or burned down.

Orochimaru has nothing to offer offensively. He can stop Amaterasu with Oral Rebirth and Rashomon can stop Sasuke's projectiles, but again, that's the best he can do, and nothing is stopping Sasuke from going around it. Summons, shadow snakes and hydra all burn. Manda gets controlled.

Jiraiya is in the same boat. His summons are useless(genjutsu and Ama). Yomi Numa is defused with Sasuke's Raiton. Every attack base Jiraiya has is tanked with Susano'o. He can't evade Amaterasu and the Fire Sealing Method is useless if Ama is actually on Jiraiya or Sasuke just spams fire everywhere. Amaterasu can kill Jiraiya before he enters Sage Mode because Ma and Pa take too long to summon.

The best bet they have is to use Orochimaru and Tsunade as a shield while Jiraiya enters Sage Mode and preps frog song, and that is useless before PS.

 

[Fireplay]

Sasuke wins. Whether it's a stomp or not depends on the restrictions.

 

[blazekev90]

Why is Orochimaru's one jutsu always restricted? Lol ppl act like Sasuke is superior, yet restrict his opponents strongest technique. Laughable.

Jman and Orochimaru solo mid difficulty

 

[Europa]

Allow Orochimaru to team kill Tsunade and resurrect Minato here and they might have a shot.

Why is Orochimaru's one jutsu always restricted? Lol ppl act like Sasuke is superior, yet restrict his opponents strongest technique. Laughable.

Jman and Orochimaru solo mid difficulty

Can you go into greater detail? I'm now curious

 

[Murasame]

Why is Orochimaru's one jutsu always restricted? Lol ppl act like Sasuke is superior, yet restrict his opponents strongest technique. Laughable.

Jman and Orochimaru solo mid difficulty

I can see Oro winning with edo tensei but Jman? You believe he can defeat an ems user who possesses PS?

 

[adeshina365]

KG, PC and VS already ended this thread.

Why is Orochimaru's one jutsu always restricted? Lol ppl act like Sasuke is superior, yet restrict his opponents strongest technique. Laughable.

Jman and Orochimaru solo mid difficulty

lol

 

[Sasuke4115]

Why is Orochimaru's one jutsu always restricted? Lol ppl act like Sasuke is superior, yet restrict his opponents strongest technique. Laughable.

Jman and Orochimaru solo mid difficulty

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