Sasuke VS Nagato

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Bold is false. He used BT to attract two objects. Not proof he can use BT and Shinra Tensei at once or one after another. Manga directly contradicts that anyway. 5 second cooldown says hi.

You didn't bold anything. And I already accounted for the double bt. But he pulled the rock after he started pulling naruto. So it stands to reason then he can pull things(and inverse push things) at different rates. Said rates causes a differential, and sasuke gets pulled out. And seeing as how again Nagato pulled them at different times(Naruto being first the rock being second) he dosen't suffer from 5 sec cooldown.
 

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You didn't bold anything. And I already accounted for the double bt. But he pulled the rock after he started pulling naruto. So it stands to reason then he can pull things(and inverse push things) at different rates. Said rates causes a differential, and sasuke gets pulled out. And seeing as how again Nagato pulled them at different times(Naruto being first the rock being second) he dosen't suffer from 5 sec cooldown.

No, it doesn't. Using one BT to pull multiple objects doesn't mean he used a double BT.


And you can't even tell when he started pulling the rock. If he really did pull the rock AFTER pulling Naruto, then the rock wouldn't be visible when we see Naruto flying towards Nagato. Then there's the fact that Naruto won't crash into the rock if he was pulled earlier. Then there's the fact that Nagato is the epicenter for BT. All objects being pulled towards him. He can pull Susanoo one direction and then use another BT to pull Sasuke in a separate direction. If he uses BT, he can only pull them towards him. Combine that with the fact that there is no double BT and that Nagato didn't pull the meteor before Naruto. You come to the conclusion that he's not pulling anyone out of Susanoo. Ever.

So no, forget about him using double BT, or BT+ST.

And yes, he does suffer from the cooldown. No reason to believe he does when no panel shows that he doesn't, and it's a jutsu specific cooldown. Has nothing to do with the user.
 

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2. Even Itachi? Itachi is one of the fastest characters in the Manga who doesn't have some sort of godly power up. There is no reason for anyone to take Nagato being able to react to Kirin as fact. Though I do believe he can react...it doesn't really matter considering CST is the only thing that's letting him redirect a giant lightning dragon that can flatten a Mountain.

It's called almighty push for a reason.

He was able to repel FRS and 3 giant toads.

To say only CST can repel it means entering a debate that cannot prove either of us right since you'll have to calculate how strong the Kirin blast is and how strong the CT blast is. The fact is Kirin flattened a mountain and OBLITERATED ( FRS and Amaterasu aren't just deflected, they literally phase out of existence when CT hits them. They just disappear into thin air, that's how strong CT is- and that was Deva using it, not Nagato, who is much stronger ) and threw 3 giant toads with such a force that literally all of their bones were broken. That's no meh feat.

2. Even Itachi? Itachi is one of the fastest characters in the Manga who doesn't have some sort of godly power up. There is no reason for anyone to take Nagato being able to react to Kirin as fact

I guess. But do recall that Sasuke's Kirin was the way it was because Itachi also burned half the battlefield with Amaterasu. Sasuke will have to bust out some serious chakra to make a Kirin the size of the one Itachi did ( when Itachi did he used up most of his chakra and let's not forget that Sasuke ran out of chakra before Itachi did despite Itachi being sick and using the Mangekyou repeatedly ). So I don't see Sasuke managing to make a Kirin the size of the one he used vs Itachi.

I'll agree that Sasuke's PS is stronger than what Nagato has, though it's mostly featless, is it not? The most I recall it doing is cutting off a tree branch which doesn't say much considering Hiruzen and Tobirama did that too, with meh jutsus.
 
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It's called almighty push for a reason.

He was able to repel FRS and 3 giant toads.

None of which are comparable to a giant lightning bolt that can obliterate a Mountain.

To say only CST can repel it means entering a debate that cannot prove either of us right since you'll have to calculate how strong the Kirin blast is and how strong the CT blast is. The fact is Kirin flattened a mountain and OBLITERATED ( FRS and Amaterasu aren't just deflected, they literally phase out of existence when CT hits them. They just disappear into thin air, that's how strong CT is- and that was Deva using it, not Nagato, who is much stronger ) and threw 3 giant toads with such a force that literally all of their bones were broken. That's no meh feat.

Not really. CST being the only thing that can repel it is based off of regular ST not having any feat that'd let it repel Kirin. Repelling Bijuu sized toads and FRS of all things doesn't mean he can repel a giant, near bijuu sized I believe, lightning dragon that reaches the ground in 1/1000th of a second.

I guess. But do recall that Sasuke's Kirin was the way it was because Itachi also burned half the battlefield with Amaterasu. Sasuke will have to bust out some serious chakra to make a Kirin the size of the one Itachi did ( when Itachi did he used up most of his chakra and let's not forget that Sasuke ran out of chakra before Itachi did despite Itachi being sick and using the Mangekyou repeatedly ). So I don't see Sasuke managing to make a Kirin the size of the one he used vs Itachi.

That's Hebi Sasuke. EMS Sasuke casually spams chakra intensive jutsu like Amaterasu and Susanoo (including PS) and Kagutsuchi. Did so throughout the whole war up until getting Hagoromo's power and never showed any hint of serious fatigue. He'd easily replicate Itachi's feat all on his own.

I'll agree that Sasuke's PS is stronger than what Nagato has, though it's mostly featless, is it not? The most I recall it doing is cutting off a tree branch which doesn't say much considering Hiruzen and Tobirama did that too, with meh jutsus.

Sasuke cut a Mountain Sized branch (Small) with his Susanoo. Hiruzen cut off a regular sized branch.
 

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Not sure if Sasuke's Susanoo tanks a village busting attack.

Only chance to win is to use Kirin before Nagato uses CST or CT.
 

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Sasuke should win scenario 2, Nagato wins S1 with Mid diff.
 
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