Sasuke VS Nagato

[Songbird Supreme]

both clouds are 1 and the same.

No, they aren't. Two completely different cloud classifications.

He can only dispel the ones he creates. Sasuke's clouds aren't made by him.

 

[Ambivalence]

With the technique he can create an dispell rain clouds. both clouds are 1 and the same.

Lol, Nagato can't control clouds that aren't made by him. Third databook states he can only create and dispel rain clouds formed with his own chakra. You saying that he can manipulate clouds that are made naturally/from a different source is nothing more than a baseless assumption.

 

[LuckyMan]

Lol, Nagato can't control clouds that aren't made by him. Third databook states he can only create and dispel rain clouds formed with his own chakra. You saying that he can manipulate clouds that are made naturally/from a different source is nothing more than a baseless assumption.

Sasuke manipulated lightning made natural from a different source and he used chakra to do it so no, its not baseless.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

No, they aren't. Two completely different cloud classifications.

He can only dispel the ones he creates. Sasuke's clouds aren't made by him.

If you understood the Latin behind the terms you spouted so casually you'd know it's the same.

Nimbus=Storm cloud.
cumulonimbus= heap of storm clouds.


It's like you're saying there's a difference between shadow clone and mass shadow clone. It's not.

 

[Songbird Supreme]

If you understood the Latin behind the terms you spouted so casually you'd know it's the same.

Nimbus=Storm cloud.
cumulonimbus= heap of storm clouds.


It's like you're saying there's a difference between shadow clone and mass shadow clone. It's not.

Still doesn't take away from my original point though, seeing as how Nagato's clouds are neither.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Lol, Nagato can't control clouds that aren't made by him. Third databook states he can only create and dispel rain clouds formed with his own chakra. You saying that he can manipulate clouds that are made naturally/from a different source is nothing more than a baseless assumption.

It didn't say only.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Sasuke manipulated lightning made natural from a different source and he used chakra to do it so no, its not baseless.

Manipulating natural resources is easy. Water ninja, earth ninja, wind ninja, etc use preexisting water,earth, wind for their techs but Nagato can't use preexisting clouds for his?

 

[Xāvî1]

Nagato Wins

 

[KidGamer65]

Nagato would use Preta Path to absorb the fire before Sasuke can set up Kirin. Even then Itachi was able to react to it and activate Susanoo so I can't see why Nagato couldn't use Deva Path to negate Kirin.

1. If the fire is aimed away from him, up in the air, he'll have to be fast enough to jump up to where the fire has been shot, before it reaches the atmosphere. That isn't happening. Ever.

2. Even Itachi? Itachi is one of the fastest characters in the Manga who doesn't have some sort of godly power up. There is no reason for anyone to take Nagato being able to react to Kirin as fact. Though I do believe he can react...it doesn't really matter considering CST is the only thing that's letting him redirect a giant lightning dragon that can flatten a Mountain.

Nagato wins either scenario.

Wrong.

In CQC he destroys Sasuke due to a combination of Deva, Preta and Asura.

In CQC, Perfect Susanoo stomps him. Asura is useless. Preta won't absorb it all before Sasuke retaliates, and Deva can block the attacks, but then during the cooldown he gets raped.

In long range combat he has his summons and if Sasuke keeps using Amaterasu on them he'll just run out of chakra.

Anything Sasuke has Nagato can counter. Kirin is the only thing that -could- kill him ( it's debatable if Nagato can use shinra tensei to throw it off ) and Nagato can simply absorb the fire before Sasuke can set it up.

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It's not debatable actually, but meh.

Sasuke wins S2. He might win S1.

dosen't nagato have a jutsu to remove rain clouds?

He has one to summon them. Not remove them as far as I remember.

 

[HiddenSound]

Nagato's only chance of getting past Susanoo is to absorb it completely, or to use CT. If he uses CT before Sasuke set up Kirin he wins, if not, then Sasuke murks him.

Sasuke beats him mid diff in S2.

I'd imagine Bansho Ten'nin would do the trick too?

 

[KidGamer65]

I'd imagine Bansho Ten'nin would do the trick too?

BT can't pull him out of Susanoo. It can only pull the Susanoo, so I'm not seeing how that'll help.

 

[HiddenSound]

BT can't pull him out of Susanoo. It can only pull the Susanoo, so I'm not seeing how that'll help.

What makes you say that? Couldn't he just focus on Sasuke and pull him out?

 

[KidGamer65]

What makes you say that? Couldn't he just focus on Sasuke and pull him out?

The attractive forces have never shown to be work like that. That's like him pulling a coin out of a sealed jar.

 

[KidGamer65]

Then there's the fact that Gaara needed to bind Susanoo to rip the user out.

 

[HiddenSound]

Then there's the fact that Gaara needed to bind Susanoo to rip the user out.

That's what I was basing that question on, but I forgot that detail.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Then there's the fact that Gaara needed to bind Susanoo to rip the user out.

He's already shown the ability two use both forces at once. Pulling kcm naruto from 1 location then pulling a boulder from another(not at the same time mind you it was one then the other). Pulling sasuke while pushing the susanoo or pulling both at different rates would result in sasuke getting seperated.

 

[BLAZE]

Lol, Nagato can't control clouds that aren't made by him. Third databook states he can only create and dispel rain clouds formed with his own chakra. You saying that he can manipulate clouds that are made naturally/from a different source is nothing more than a baseless assumption.

Yup this

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[BenjerminGaye]

Yup this

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And where in that scan does it say he is limited to the clouds he creates?

That's like saying a water ninja like kisame can't use pre existing water to make water shark.

 

[Xāvî1]

About Shinra Tensei :

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Here is glimpse of Shinra Tensei used by Edo Tensei Nagato:

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^^ However not only it looks like casual version of Shinra Tensei used by Nagato BEFORE HE RESTORED HIS YOUTHFULL LOOK, as here:

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^^ Here Nagato rejuvenated his body and it was after that Shinra tensei.

and we know that Nagato was using Shinra Tensei via Deva Path/God ream body a lot of times before at different scales:

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^^ weak one

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^^ Stronger version

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^^ The strongest version known as Chou Shinra Tensei.

About Asura Path :

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Now Asura Path: Missiles

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^^ These missiles were quite powerfull and still only used by Pein... not Nagato.

Now Asura Path: Chakra Cannon/beam:

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^^ This was very powerfull and destructive... and yet only done by Six paths of Pein but Nagato's alone.

Not fully used Nagato's potential in Edo Version :

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However Healthy Nagato used only

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^^ Human path

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^^ Preta path

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^^ Naraka Path

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^^ Asura Path but just creating mechanical armor

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^^ He was about to use Chakra Cannon via Asura Path but get interrupted by Itachi... however as confident as Nagato looked I believe Chakra Cannon could finish Killer Bee... so it has to be quite powerfull.

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^^ Also of course Chibaku Tensei... which is no doubt the strongest technique of Nagato... hovewer it is not focused offensive attack as Shinra tensei can be... or chakra cannons, missiles of Asura Path.

Kishi neither shows Old Edo Nagato using Chou Shinra Tensei... nor missiles or even chakra beam/cannon. When Nagato rejuvenated his body... then Kishi still didn't show Young Nagato using Shinra Tensei... not even weak form not even mentioning about Chou Shinra Tensei... also Chakra Cannon/beam also could not be used due to being to strong most likely or restricted by plot.

So Restricted Healthy Nagato was = Edo Itachi without Totsuka and Yata + Killer Bee + Nine tails chakra mode Naruto

Full power unleashed Healthy Nagato could put up great battle even against Bijuu mode Naruto or MS Obito..., and this is potentail of his Rinnegan alone if only he has healthy legs as well... or was even one of the fasterst characters then he would be in top 3 even.

More food for thoughts :

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Now Imagine... Current Madara and his use of Rinnegan with very potent powerfull chakra and huge amount of it(Madara's potent chakra + Hashirama's huge amount of chakra too op)... add SM on the top of it and you have definiation of very op character... actually Pre Juubi Jin SOSP could be like that.

Also keep in mind that Shinra Tensei of Deva Path and Chakra beam/missiles of Asura Path are the most powerfull offensive and destructive techniques of the Rinnegan. The rest are Animal path, Naraka path, Human path and Preta Path... even although all of them posses incredible abilties and very efficent/usable... but even ripping soul out of body... or absorbing it is not destructive techniques even although offensive.

• Old Nagato did NOT use Chou Shinra Tensei or Chakra beam and missiles of Asura Path
• Young Nagato did NOT use Shinra Tensei at all... also chakra beam and missiles of Asura Path were restricted
• Shinra Tensei of Deva Path and Chakra beam/missiles of Asura Path are the most powerfull offensive and destructive techniques of the Rinnegan.
• Kishi held back Nagato in battle against Itachi, KCM Naruto and Killer Bee... so most likely Nagato could put up great battle even against Bijuu mode Naruto especially if he go out without limits
• The Rinnegan is underrated and understimated these days

How powerfull do you think Chou Shinra Tensei, Chakra beam and Missiles used by Young Nagato could be ?

 

[KidGamer65]

He's already shown the ability two use both forces at once. Pulling kcm naruto from 1 location then pulling a boulder from another(not at the same time mind you it was one then the other). Pulling sasuke while pushing the susanoo or pulling both at different rates would result in sasuke getting seperated.

Bold is false. He used BT to attract two objects. Not proof he can use BT and Shinra Tensei at once or one after another. Manga directly contradicts that anyway. 5 second cooldown says hi.