Sasuke vs Madara video

[Naruto X Hunter]

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[Animegoin]

LMFAO literally using SethTheProgrammer to make an argument for you automatically invalidated your case. ?

 

[salamander uchiha]

Who on earth takes Seth the programmer seriously? The guy doesn't even know what Hyperbole is, he calls Kinshiki a Planet buster, but forgets he couldn't break through Sasuke's sword.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

LMFAO literally using SethTheProgrammer to make an argument for you automatically invalidated your case. ?

Who on earth takes Seth the programmer seriously? The guy doesn't even know what Hyperbole is, he calls Kinshiki a Planet buster, but forgets he couldn't break through Sasuke's sword.

I knew you two wouldn't like the video. Question. What would it take for you to acknowledge Sasuke is above Madara as a fighter and overall character?

 

[Animegoin]

I knew you two wouldn't like the video. Question. What would it take for you to acknowledge Sasuke is above Madara as a fighter and overall character?

You should’ve known that I wouldn’t like the video considering how I bashed Seth in your Hiruzen thread. ? To answer your question, you can’t convince me because it’s not true.

 

[salamander uchiha]

I knew you two wouldn't like the video. Question. What would it take for you to acknowledge Sasuke is above Madara as a fighter and overall character?

Well we know it's not true.

As a character we know Madara went from the age of kids dying in battle and wanting to bring an end to it, to clan leader, to losing his brother, to forming a village, to wanting to protect his clan. Being betrayed by them, to wanting to bring world peace to indirectly protect them and the world. Madara was a legendary character, while Sasuke went from wanting to avenge the clan to becoming the Hokage's underling. Now instead of train his daughters, who's the moat like him(sharingan, natures, talent), he trains the Hokage's kid. He doesn't even have time to pass on the Uchiha greatness to a future Uchiha Hokage. While Madara crafted Obito, his descendant, into an Uchiha world saviour. There's no way you could equate the two in character anyway.

Abilitywise Madara is a pure Rokudo, you can't compare to him. Ameno's a neat trick and all, but Limbo does the same and at multiple(4) locations And the clones have their own fighting capacity.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

You should’ve known that I wouldn’t like the video considering how I bashed Seth in your Hiruzen thread. ? To answer your question, you can’t convince me because it’s not true.

I was thinking about the future. Potential things that could happen in the Boruto series that could lead to even you thinking Sasuke is better. Got any ideas?

Well we know it's not true.

As a character we know Madara went from the age of kids dying in battle and wanting to bring an end to it, to clan leader, to losing his brother, to forming a village, to wanting to protect his clan. Being betrayed by them, to wanting to bring world peace to indirectly protect them and the world. Madara was a legendary character, while Sasuke went from wanting to avenge the clan to becoming the Hokage's underling. Now instead of train his daughters, who's the moat like him(sharingan, natures, talent), he trains the Hokage's kid. He doesn't even have time to pass on the Uchiha greatness to a future Uchiha Hokage. While Madara crafted Obito, his descendant, into an Uchiha world saviour. There's no way you could equate the two in character anyway.

Abilitywise Madara is a pure Rokudo, you can't compare to him. Ameno's a neat trick and all, but Limbo does the same and at multiple(4) locations And the clones have their own fighting capacity.

- How is he Naruto's underling?

- Surely you're aware of how he taught Sarada the Fire Ball technique. And know about the Sasuke Shinden novel released last year - where inplace of Konohamaru he takes command of Team 7, trains, and goes on a mission with them. Sasuke has helped Sarada hone her fire, lightning, Sharingan, and acknowledged that he supports her goal of becoming Hokage (Naruto Shinden/Boruto episode 95).

 

[salamander uchiha]

- How is he Naruto's underling?

- Surely you're aware of how he taught Sarada the Fire Ball technique. And know about the Sasuke Shinden novel released last year - where inplace of Konohamaru he takes command of Team 7, trains, and goes on a mission with them. Sasuke has helped Sarada hone her fire, lightning, Sharingan, and acknowledged that he supports her goal of becoming Hokage (Naruto Shinden/Boruto episode 95).

He's the Hogake's support like every ninja which makes him an underling.

He didnt have time to lead team 7 or go on a mission with them. The manga events show there was no gap for Sasuke to do what he did. He may support her goal, but he's still training another over one more worthy. One who shares the same natures, eyes and talent. Hardly a father or crafting a worthy Uchiha Hokage. Episode 95 is adapted filler, I don't remember any of them getting their headbands back to become ninja, especially after the Mitsuki arc.

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

Sasuke gets obliterated by tbb’s, mokuton and raining meteors. Momoshiki broke out of sasuke’s CT low difficulty. What in the world makes him think thats going to seal madara is beyond me.

Besides ameno, everything sasuke can do with his rinnegan, madara can do 10 fold due to having bijuu’s in his back pocket.

Taijutsu sasuke gets obliterated due to limbo and tsb

Ninjutsu sasuke has nothing to match a juubi tail beast bomb, he tries to go in with a PS chidori and gets pulverized.

PS gets matched by madara’s PS again very likely sasuke PS’s is weaker due to madara having the bijuu’s. Not even going to mention mokuton flower world pullen,constructs ,clones being able to use susano and meteors sasuke is going to have to deal with simultaneously while dealing with madara’s susano. Hell throw a couple quad juubidama tree’s to finish the iceing on the cake.

Stamina and chakra again goes to madara Due to the juubi’s near unlimited resources.

Durability im not even discussing, madara has regen and “immortality” has to be sealed which sasuke has no means to do.

Madara wins this mid diff at best.


Lmfao his whole argument is based on momoshiki being stronger than kaguya which is a joke.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

He's the Hogake's support like every ninja which makes him an underling.

He didnt have time to lead team 7 or go on a mission with them. The manga events show there was no gap for Sasuke to do what he did. He may support her goal, but he's still training another over one more worthy. One who shares the same natures, eyes and talent. Hardly a father or crafting a worthy Uchiha Hokage. Episode 95 is adapted filler, I don't remember any of them getting their headbands back to become ninja, especially after the Mitsuki arc.

- They're working together. Therefore they support each other aswell as everyone else. Naruto protects Konoha from the inside while Sasuke from the outside. It's not like he's following Naruto's orders. He himself decided to travel the world, subdue the criminal underworld, investigate Kaguya/the Otsutsuuki clan, and now Kara.

During the Shin incident he even ordered Naruto, who doesn't personally go to his own daughters birthday, to meet him outside the village. Infact, when he first told Naruto about his Otsutsuuki mission, Naruto wanted to join in him but didn't because Sasuke told him to stay in the village as Hokage.

- It was never confirmed or alluded that Madara - the most powerful Uchiha in history, had any kids. So he didn't even contribute the clan reproductively. Instead he abandoned and tried annihilating the clan and village. When he failed he raised a successor who nearly did the job for him. Sasuke on the otherhand never foresaked the Uchiha, protects the village their clan established in hopes of creating peace, passed on his powerful genes, and is supporting her in gaining the position that no Uchiha has ever held before.

The novels are canon. Sasuke Shinden takes place after the Exams/before the Mujina Bandit arc. Sasuke was in the village during the Bandit arc. He only left during inorder to investigate Kara and theseals.

 

[salamander uchiha]

- They're working together. Therefore they support each other aswell as everyone else. Naruto protects Konoha from the inside while Sasuke from the outside. It's not like he's following Naruto's orders. He himself decided to travel the world, subdue the criminal underworld, investigate Kaguya/the Otsutsuuki clan, and now Kara.

He's like Danzo was that in no way removes him from underling status.

During the Shin incident he even ordered Naruto, who doesn't personally go to his own daughters birthday, to meet him outside the village. Infact, when he first told Naruto about his Otsutsuuki mission, Naruto wanted to join in him but didn't because Sasuke told him to stay in the village as Hokage.

Not really, there were times Danzo would order Hiruzen but it didn't remove him from subordinate status. Naruto being reminded the King stays in the village doesn't make them equals.

- It was never confirmed or alluded that Madara - the most powerful Uchiha in history, had any kids. So he didn't even contribute the clan reproductively. Instead he abandoned and tried annihilating the clan and village. When he failed he raised a successor who nearly did the job for him. Sasuke on the otherhand never foresaked the Uchiha, protects the village their clan established in hopes of creating peace, passed on his powerful genes, and is supporting her in gaining the position that no Uchiha has ever held before.

Of course it was especially when Obito said "my ancestors Madara." Instead he tried to protect the clan from Nazirama, but they abandoned him and so he left without them. His goal was never annihilating the village but was to bring world peace through the IT for which he needed Asura chakra. His successor didn't kill off the clan either, it was Sasuke's brother who sided with the oppressor and begged his successor to help him kill off his own kin. Sasuke on the other hand forsook the Uchiha, jumped on genocidal Itachi's nutsack, had only one child, didn't give af about producing the Uchiha clan or more Uchiha. Didn't punish all those that plotted against the Uchiha and encouraging her to gain a position which shits on the Uchiha name.

The novels are canon. Sasuke Shinden takes place after the Exams/before the Mujina Bandit arc. Sasuke was in the village during the Bandit arc. He only left during inorder to investigate Kara and theseals.

Not possible, team Konohamaru set off on a mission straight after the end of the movie arc. That was the mujina bandits arc, where Boruto was still flashbacking to what had happened with Momoshiki. The novels are nice and all, but they're clear filler.

 

[Animegoin]

Sasuke gets obliterated by tbb’s, mokuton and raining meteors. Momoshiki broke out of sasuke’s CT low difficulty. What in the world makes him think thats going to seal madara is beyond me.

Besides ameno, everything sasuke can do with his rinnegan, madara can do 10 fold due to having bijuu’s in his back pocket.

Taijutsu sasuke gets obliterated due to limbo and tsb

Ninjutsu sasuke has nothing to match a juubi tail beast bomb, he tries to go in with a PS chidori and gets pulverized.

PS gets matched by madara’s PS again very likely sasuke PS’s is weaker due to madara having the bijuu’s. Not even going to mention mokuton flower world pullen,constructs ,clones being able to use susano and meteors sasuke is going to have to deal with simultaneously while dealing with madara’s susano. Hell throw a couple quad juubidama tree’s to finish the iceing on the cake.

Stamina and chakra again goes to madara Due to the juubi’s near unlimited resources.

Durability im not even discussing, madara has regen and “immortality” has to be sealed which sasuke has no means to do.

Madara wins this mid diff at best.


Lmfao his whole argument is based on momoshiki being stronger than kaguya which is a joke.

There’s a reason why the OP ignored your comment. ?

I was thinking about the future. Potential things that could happen in the Boruto series that could lead to even you thinking Sasuke is better. Got any ideas?

Lmfao Sasuke needs to focus on being able to defeat opponents without eyes in his head and/or using Susano’o without eyes to even BEGIN to be compared to Madara. ?

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

There’s a reason why the OP ignored your comment. ?

"Ignore - refuse to take notice of or acknowledge; disregard intentionally."

I made this thread to see others thoughts on the video. I wasn't arguing in favor or against Seth at all. And i didn't ignore rinnegan human puppet's comment. I read it. I just didn't respond. I read alot of comments and do the same.

Lmfao Sasuke needs to focus on being able to defeat opponents without eyes in his head and/or using Susano’o without eyes to even BEGIN to be compared to Madara. ?

Why would he even need to do that when he's never lost his eyes?

He's like Danzo was that in no way removes him from underling status.

Lol.

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As you can see it's well known that Sasuke is his own boss. Even the kids know.

Not really, there were times Danzo would order Hiruzen but it didn't remove him from subordinate status. Naruto being reminded the King stays in the village doesn't make them equals.

They're equals because they're both responsible in protecting the village. Sasuke does things his own way and Naruto doesn't see him as a subordinate. He's not someone who follows his orders.

Of course it was especially when Obito said "my ancestors Madara."

That's even worse. So Madara had fodder decendants down til Obito. Whereas Sasuke's first offspring is super important for the clan.

Instead he tried to protect the clan from Nazirama, but they abandoned him and so he left without them. His goal was never annihilating the village but was to bring world peace through the IT for which he needed Asura chakra.

Ah, i forgot. Still, he didn't seem displeased to know Obito and Sasuke were the only surviving Uchiha. .

His successor didn't kill off the clan either, it was Sasuke's brother who sided with the oppressor and begged his successor to help him kill off his own kin.

After revealing to Sasuke that the Uchiha abandoned him, Obito posing as Madara said he was looking for a chance to strike back at the clan. Madara entrusted Obito with his identity, and will. If he really still cared for his clan than he would have told Obito to watch over them and would be displeased that they were wiped out. Obito is an extension of Madara. And like Madara, he no longer gave af about the clan.

Sasuke on the other hand forsook the Uchiha, jumped on genocidal Itachi's nutsack, had only one child, didn't give af about producing the Uchiha clan or more Uchiha. Didn't punish all those that plotted against the Uchiha and encouraging her to gain a position which shits on the Uchiha name.

Falsehoods. When Sasuke learned the truth his vengeance directed toward the village. Upon meeting up with Itachi during the war, he re-evaluated everything. Deciding to learn more about the Shinobi world, the Uchiha, Senju, and Konoha inorder to decide whether he would destroy or protect the village. As i said before, rather than destroy Konoha for their mistreatment of the Uchiha, he decided to protect the village that his clan had established inorder to create peace. So their efforts wouldn't go to waste.

The Hokage position itself doesn't shit on the Uchiha, only some of the previous wielders whom are no longer in command. What better way is there to make things right than to have an actual Uchiha gain the position that they were always witheld from getting? Including Madara himself. It's like beating them at their own game. They wanted the Uchiha oppressed and dead? Now one is command of the entire village.

As for having one kid (so far). Quality>Quantity. That's even more apparent given Madara's fodder decendants.

Not possible, team Konohamaru set off on a mission straight after the end of the movie arc. That was the mujina bandits arc, where Boruto was still flashbacking to what had happened with Momoshiki. The novels are nice and all, but they're clear filler.

It's not clear how much time passed. Besides, characters can recall the same flashbacks multiple times at different points. Happened alot in the original manga.

 

[Animegoin]

"Ignore - refuse to take notice of or acknowledge; disregard intentionally."

I made this thread to see others thoughts on the video. I wasn't arguing in favor or against Seth at all. And i didn't ignore rinnegan human puppet's comment. I read it. I just didn't respond. I read alot of comments and do the same.

Sure, if that makes you feel better.

Why would he even need to do that when he's never lost his eyes?

You told me to speak of hypothetical future events, and thus I provided two entry level things that would, at the very least, raise Sasuke ever-so-slightly toward Madara’s level.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Sure, if that makes you feel better.

Notice how i never pressed you or Salamander for details on why you hold the belief of Madara winning.

You told me to speak of hypothetical future events, and thus I provided two entry level things that would, at the very least, raise Sasuke ever-so-slightly toward Madara’s level.

The idea of future Sasuke losing his eyes was so dumb that it's inconceivable to even think that he would ever need to fight without them. Madara lost his eyes because he was evolving. Sasuke is already at his pinnacle. There's no need whatsoever to focus on fighting without them. It's not like he lost his eyes and needs to form a counter-measure. So you're saying Sasuke can reach Madara's level by being depowered, and using an inferior fighting style that he should never have to rely on. Yeah, him choosing to handicap himself (remain arm-less), yet still holding his own and beating God-tiers is far better. Impressive more than eye-less Madara's feats.

 

[Animegoin]

Notice how i never pressed you or Salamander for details on why you hold the belief of Madara winning.

You practically did, that’s why we’re having this conversation. ??‍

The idea of future Sasuke losing his eyes was so dumb that it's inconceivable to even think that he would ever need to fight without them. Madara lost his eyes because he was evolving. Sasuke is already at his pinnacle. There's no need whatsoever to focus on fighting without them. It's not like he lost his eyes and needs to form a counter-measure. So you're saying Sasuke can reach Madara's level by being depowered, and using an inferior fighting style that he should never have to rely on. Yeah, him choosing to handicap himself (remain arm-less), yet still holding his own and beating God-tiers is far better. Impressive more than eye-less Madara's feats.

Lmfao I’m glad you pointed out how unlikely it is that Sasuke would lose his eyes, that should tell you that Sasuke will never remotely compare to Madara, in my eyes. And since you asked me, essentially there’s nothing Sasuke can do to match Madara. ?

Oh and Sasuke hasn’t beaten even 1 god-tier character by himself lmfao, save the headcanon. So adult Sasuke will eternally be inferior to Madara, Momoshiki, Kinshiki, Naruto and especially Kaguya. ? I was expecting you to say something as dumb as that though, thanks for not disappointing me. Lol

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

You practically did, that’s why we’re having this conversation. ??‍

I posted the video, saw your comments, and when i replied i didn't say anything like "Sasuke (or Madara) win because x, y, & z." Instead i asked about them as characters in general.

Lmfao I’m glad you pointed out how unlikely it is that Sasuke would lose his eyes, that should tell you that Sasuke will never remotely compare to Madara, in my eyes. And since you asked me, essentially there’s nothing Sasuke can do to match Madara. ?

Uchiha's eyes are their greatest power. To downplay Sasuke for not being in a position to where he has to fight without his eyes is weird.

Oh and Sasuke hasn’t beaten even 1 god-tier character by himself lmfao, save the headcanon. So adult Sasuke will eternally be inferior to Madara, Momoshiki, Kinshiki, Naruto and especially Kaguya. ? I was expecting you to say something as dumb as that though, thanks for not disappointing me. Lol

I never said he beat a God-tier 1v1. I said he held his own and beat God-tiers. You know it's true so you decided to nitpick. Nonethless, he clearly showed superiority to Kinshiki. With a large portion of his power drained from crossing dimensions he matched him with Kenjusu and Taijutsu. Then at the Chunin Stadium he easily evaded him in base while holding Sarada. Madara is the one who never beat a God-tier.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Lol.

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As you can see it's well known that Sasuke is his own boss. Even the kids know.

Like anybody believes what Burrito says

They're equals because they're both responsible in protecting the village. Sasuke does things his own way and Naruto doesn't see him as a subordinate. He's not someone who follows his orders.

Just like Danzo, right? Keep dreaming he's an underling who receives mission orders via Hawk if need be.

That's even worse. So Madara had fodder decendants down til Obito. Whereas Sasuke's first offspring is super important for the clan.

Hardly we know nothing about them, but she's a girl who's reduced to a cheap street *****. Maybe a future mongrels's plaything who'll lose the Uchiha name and take down the Uchiha clan with her.

Ah, i forgot. Still, he didn't seem displeased to know Obito and Sasuke were the only surviving Uchiha. .

Why would he be displeased, he still tried to help Sasuke who decided he preferred being a Senju ***** like Itachi.

After revealing to Sasuke that the Uchiha abandoned him, Obito posing as Madara said he was looking for a chance to strike back at the clan. Madara entrusted Obito with his identity, and will. If he really still cared for his clan than he would have told Obito to watch over them and would be displeased that they were wiped out. Obito is an extension of Madara. And like Madara, he no longer gave af about the clan.

Hardly, Obito wanted to manipulate Sasuke, that's not proof of anything.

Falsehoods. When Sasuke learned the truth his vengeance directed toward the village. Upon meeting up with Itachi during the war, he re-evaluated everything. Deciding to learn more about the Shinobi world, the Uchiha, Senju, and Konoha inorder to decide whether he would destroy or protect the village. As i said before, rather than destroy Konoha for their mistreatment of the Uchiha, he decided to protect the village that his clan had established inorder to create peace. So their efforts wouldn't go to waste.

No he decided to become a bitch, who would protect those who massacred his clan. He even spared those that plotted against them. He didnt protect the village because the Uchiha had created it, he did it all for Itachi.

The Hokage position itself doesn't shit on the Uchiha, only some of the previous wielders whom are no longer in command. What better way is there to make things right than to have an actual Uchiha gain the position that they were always witheld from getting? Including Madara himself. It's like beating them at their own game. They wanted the Uchiha oppressed and dead? Now one is command of the entire village.

Of course it does, the Uchiha are dead because of it. And as a novelty prize an Uchiha may get that title, but will probably bear another name. Especially if she has children.

As for having one kid (so far). Quality>Quantity. That's even more apparent given Madara's fodder decendants.

Is it? She has Sasuke's genes who was a fodder needing handouts at every turn, while Madara used to fight as an equal to Hashirama. Then his descendant Obito awoke the most Hax dojutsu in the NV. And forced a Hokage to commit suicide and solod at the age of 14. While Sasuke's genes, did what exactly? Turn Sarada into a cheap slut who wears high heels and suffers from chakra drain.

It's not clear how much time passed. Besides, characters can recall the same flashbacks multiple times at different points. Happened alot in the original manga.

No time has passed they set off on the mission and he flashes back to Sasuke's words. This is Kodachi who doesn't waste any panel time. And it's retarded to flash back to the words and not think of them closer to the time especially in a novel. Accept filler for what it is, that doesn't mean it's not good.

 

[Animegoin]

I posted the video, saw your comments, and when i replied i didn't say anything like "Sasuke (or Madara) win because x, y, & z." Instead i asked about them as characters in general.

You also asked Salamander and I what would Sasuke have to do in order to surpass Madara in our respective eyes. That in itself means that you were looking for something that says Sasuke > Madara.

Uchiha's eyes are their greatest power. To downplay Sasuke for not being in a position to where he has to fight without his eyes is weird.

Tough titties, so you’re admitting that Sasuke’s nothing without his eyes while Madara was still a god without his. K

I never said he beat a God-tier 1v1. I said he held his own and beat God-tiers. You know it's true so you decided to nitpick. Nonethless, he clearly showed superiority to Kinshiki. With a large portion of his power drained from crossing dimensions he matched him with Kenjusu and Taijutsu. Then at the Chunin Stadium he easily evaded him in base while holding Sarada. Madara is the one who never beat a God-tier.

Sasuke can’t be credited with “beating god-tiers” when he as an individual never has done so. ? Lmfao That’s common sense, talk about nitpicking. He assisted with defeating god tiers, he couldn’t even finish off Kinshiki on his own. Mind you, Kinshiki was also restricting himself against Sasuke because he’d only released his “world splitting” power one time, and that was when he cut down the dead shinju tree. Thusly Sasuke barely held his own against Kinshiki in Kaguya’s world and had to flee, and then at the chunin exams, he had to rely on Shikamaru shadow possession to stop Kinshiki from killing them (Sarada and Sasuke). Sasuke was also fodder against Shin Uchiha, regardless of how drained, that was pathetic. Complete and utter disappointment, and then if we count the full-powered Sasuke that appeared in Sasuke Shiden, he is complete ass and the epitome of lackluster when compared to Madara. Prove me wrong.

Madara was the catalyst that forced Hagoromo to manifest and handout power to Naruto and Sasuke in the first place, and the only way to defeat him were the seals. And they still weren’t capable of individually defeating Madara on their own. Lol stop.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Like anybody believes what Burrito says

Boruto was obviously saying that based on what he heard from others.

Just like Danzo, right?

Please, Danzo was so stripped of authority that he had to snoop behind Hurizen and Tsunade's back for years and scheme about overthrowing them. Even relying on S-Class threats to destroy the village (Orochimaru, Pain). Is Sasuke doing anything of the sort? Lowering him to Danzo's level is foolish. Although perhaps as a Madara fan you're jealous of the Naruto/Sasuke duo having better teamwork than Hashirama had with Madara.

Sasuke's treated with far more respect than Madara behind the scenes (no one like Tobirama plotting against him) & publicly (reknowned worldwide). And this is on top of always fighting for the clan, forming a better plan for peace than Madara, Obito, & Nagato which didn't end with him dying like they did. Sasuke is better in general. Accept it. His predecessors were essentially stepping stones for him.

Keep dreaming he's an underling who receives mission orders via Hawk if need be.

LOL Sasuke is the one who sends Hawks giving orders. Naruto, the same guy who sent a chakra drained clone to his daughter's birthday, ran out of the village a few minutes after recieving a message from Sasuke telling him too.

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Years earlier Naruto wanted to go with him on his Otsutsuuki mission, but was told to stay in the village as Hokage so he did. And likewise, years later the moment Sasuke tells him to leave he does.

Madara had to ditch his village and clan inorder to avoid being an underling. Whereas Sasuke and his daughter run the village.

Hardly we know nothing about them, but she's a girl who's reduced to a cheap street *****. Maybe a future mongrels's plaything who'll lose the Uchiha name and take down the Uchiha clan with her.

Sasuke's daughter is going to gain the title that Madara couldn't and fled the village as the result of. Meanwhile Madara's son(s) & or daughter(s) lived in Konoha under Hashirama's and Tobirama's rule. You have no room to talk. You can't spin things to make Madara look on top. Madara's kids never even had the opportunity to become Hokage.

Why would he be displeased, he still tried to help Sasuke who decided he preferred being a Senju ***** like Itachi.

Madara died having a tender moment with King First Hokage Senju - several decades after having fled from the Senju's dominance. The man can't catch a break. Dude died twice with Hashirama right there. No Uchiha kinship to keep him company during his last moments.

Whereas during Sasuke's time the Senju clan has diminished to the point where no one even walks around bearing their name as far as we know. Hell, Tsunade's last name was never stated. What Senju is reigning over Sasuke? One whom bears the names of "Sanin", "Slug Princess", "Lady Tsunade", "The Legendary Loser" (from her gambling exploits), rather than either of the clans she decends from. The second of which, Uzumaki, are distant relatives to the Senju. Infact, Sasuke was only in the village for a couple days while Tsunade was Hokage.

Whereas on top of his aforementioned failures, Madara became so desperate that he stole a Senju's power, and relied on an Uzumaki kid to withhold his legendary eyes.

Hardly, Obito wanted to manipulate Sasuke, that's not proof of anything.

Madara trained and bestowed his identity to Obito who essentially helped kill the Uchiha for "Nazirama." Rather than address this you call Sasuke a Senju ***** for protecting a village his Daughter is going to led as the first Uchiha Hokage. Funny.

No he decided to become a bitch, who would protect those who massacred his clan. He even spared those that plotted against them.

What did Madara do? Raise a successor who would successfully backstab and kill the Uchiha while failing to do so with Konoha. Sasuke always fought for his clan, killed Danzo, became a leading member in Konoha/the Shinobi World's structure, and personally created a direct descendent who will join him. Rather than sit in a cave for years, and stumble upon near death kid who got bodied by an animate object. Obito wielded Madara's name before Sasuke was even born and the only people he killed aside from his own clan were fodders and an innocent Kushina and Minato who bore no ill will against the Uchiha.

He didnt protect the village because the Uchiha had created it, he did it all for Itachi.

Sure, i recall Sasuke speaking about how Madara (and Obito) was trying to undo everything that EVERYONE had strove for. I'll have clarity when i reread soon. Knowing your track record on this topic, you're wrong and will get bodied accordingly.

Of course it does, the Uchiha are dead because of it.

Sasuke and Sarada are still around, one already bears the title of Kage and the other will be Hokage in the future. The old gen Uchiha would be proud. Are you forgetting why the massacre was held? Fugaku wanted to lead the clan in taking over Konoha. Which means attaining the Hokage position himself. He failed but now his Son and Grandaughter are succeeding in his stead. You should be acknowledging how this is sort of justice for the Uchiha. Something that should be celebrated. The oppressors failed to eliminate the Uchiha and the remainings ones have the highest authority in the village. Whatever fodder remnants of the Senju clan remain will now be under Uchiha.

And as a novelty prize an Uchiha may get that title, but will probably bear another name. Especially if she has children.

Tsunade is Hashirama's grandaughter and we don't even know if she bears the Senju name. Whereas Sarada is clearly known as Uchiha. All you've got is speculation of her changing later. She's already got a better record than Hashirama's lineage.

Is it? She has Sasuke's genes who was a fodder needing handouts at every turn, while Madara used to fight as an equal to Hashirama. Then his descendant Obito awoke the most Hax dojutsu in the NV. And forced a Hokage to commit suicide and solod at the age of 14. While Sasuke's genes, did what exactly? Turn Sarada into a cheap slut who wears high heels and suffers from chakra drain.

Please, Sasuke's greatness had people lining up to aid his development from a young age. Meanwhile Madara had to fight tooth and nail, take his little brother's eyes, take a mouthful of his hated rivals flesh which is super gay, feign death against said rival after having his own clan turn against him in favor of said rival whom he failed to defeat, lived in a shitty cave for several decades practically waiting for said rival and his Uchiha oppressing brother to die off. Stored his eyes in the body of a Senju clan relative, steal a couple of Uchiha eyes, then he was lucky enough to met an Uchiha kid whom he had to manipulate inorder to get a successor whom then used his identity to F-up the clan, fail to destroy Konoha, and be forced to stay at bay by another Uchiha kid until said Uchiha died.

No time has passed they set off on the mission and he flashes back to Sasuke's words. This is Kodachi who doesn't waste any panel time. And it's retarded to flash back to the words and not think of them closer to the time especially in a novel. Accept filler for what it is, that doesn't mean it's not good.

Nonsense. Boruto even uses a new lightning technique - Thunderclap arrow (reminiscent of Kirin - "begone with the thunderclap") and an Uchiha Shuriken technique with lightning against Shojoji. Afterward when sparring with Naruto, as Sasuke watched, Naruto acknowledges Boruto's growth by stating that he must have been training hard.

Enough time has passed for training sessions. Like the lightning sessions Sasuke gave the kids.

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You also asked Salamander and I what would Sasuke have to do in order to surpass Madara in our respective eyes. That in itself means that you were looking for something that says Sasuke > Madara.

Again, i was talking about overall character not specifically battle prowess. Notice how the conversation obviously geared away from battle.

Tough titties, so you’re admitting that Sasuke’s nothing without his eyes while Madara was still a god without his. K

I'm acknowledging how Sasuke will never have to lower himself to rely on fighting without the Uchiha's greatest asset.

Sasuke can’t be credited with “beating god-tiers” when he as an individual never has done so. ? Lmfao That’s common sense, talk about nitpicking.

You're the one whose nitpicking. Sasuke fought god-tiers who died as a result of the battle. That simple. You realize this so you decide to set up specific conditions. As if it has to be 1v1. The god-tiers tried messing with his home turf and got bodied. Deal with it. In neither of the battles was Sasuke anywhere close to being in full health. The one time they confronted him in full condition, Kinshiki was clowned.

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He assisted with defeating god tiers, he couldn’t even finish off Kinshiki on his own. Mind you, Kinshiki was also restricting himself against Sasuke because he’d only released his “world splitting” power one time, and that was when he cut down the dead shinju tree.Thusly Sasuke barely held his own against Kinshiki in Kaguya’s world and had to flee,

LOL nice try. Kinshiki in full health failed to beat a weakened Sasuke who didn't even use any ninjutsu or path abilities. Sasuke only fled the scene when he saw Momo whom would obviously jump in to save Kinshiki. I like how you completely overlooked this. And he only teleported ONCE instead of multiple times which clowned a fused Momo who absorbed half of Naruto's chakra and all of Kinshiki.

and then at the chunin exams, he had to rely on Shikamaru shadow possession to stop Kinshiki from killing them (Sarada and Sasuke).

That's BS. You know full well that Sasuke could have teleported at any given moment. Shikamaru just wasted chakra.

Sasuke was also fodder against Shin Uchiha, regardless of how drained, that was pathetic. Complete and utter disappointment,

Shin had to use his kid clones to protect himself like a coward and like Kinshiki he also tried attacking Sasuke's daughter as bait. These villians have to make bitch moves to stand a chance against Sasuke.

Whereas Madara was one-shotted by Black Zetsu.

and then if we count the full-powered Sasuke that appeared in Sasuke Shiden, he is complete ass and the epitome of lackluster when compared to Madara. Prove me wrong.

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Madara was the catalyst that forced Hagoromo to manifest and handout power to Naruto and Sasuke in the first place, and the only way to defeat him were the seals. And they still weren’t capable of individually defeating Madara on their own. Lol stop.

Madara was ONE-SHOTTED. Shin and Kinshiki couldn't even one shot a weakened holding back Sasuke who was protecting his daughter. Lol.