BenjerminGaye
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Because manda doesn't listen to him. He'd have to put it under a genjutsu and how long he could be able to maintain it is questionable
Does bunta or katsuya have speed feats?
Didn't think so.
[VS] Sasuke vs Kakashi
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Does bunta or katsuya have speed feats?
Didn't think so.
He didn't say that. He said the Sasuke didn't drive the Chidori through his chest and kill him for no particular reason (in fact he needed him alive), which is true, since he actually used the Chidori to electrocute Suigetsu's fluid and
So no, Chidori cannot be weakened.
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.So no, Chidori cannot be weakened.
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genjutsu remained as long as the user wants it two look what obito and madara did with kurama and if it has a time limit kakashi wont live that long trust me
bunta can jump really high but this doesnt change the fact that manda is still a speed demon for his size
Wasit weakened just used chidori in a different fashion.
ofcourse 400 feet long is a speculation no one knows on long those snakes really are. Once again they're still to wide to be cut furthermore they're speed and sasuke would be helping them also its 2 giant snakes on 2 of kakashi's clones that needs to be together to perform this tech he is wrecked sasuke's chidori didnt jump start killerbee's heart raikiri wont do shit to those giant snakes.
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false minato already said obito cannot maintain control over kurama for a long time. And the longest either of them held it for(based on what was shown) is at the most an hr(maybe two for maddy)
so he isn't fast then.. the likes of bunta and his frogs can't touch deva path either. And katsuyu again has no speed feats.
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He weakened the spatial recomposition. Thus reducing both attended strength and scope.
kakashi wrapped it around the leg of the gedo mazo, so please stop talking out your ass.
Sasuke helping them? He can't even control one of them.
a) it's only one snake
B) the only thing that has to be connected is the chain of lightning.
Cuz sasuke was aiming to capture not kill. Just like back in part 1 when he hit garra yet didn't even paralyze him.
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kakashi must faster? pls stop trolling, kakashi is not faster than sasuke let alone much faster. sasuke has the better speed feats than him, and he is not better in taijutsu. a tired sasuke post danzo battle kept up with him and sasukes kennjustu skills make him overall better in cqc. toughness? get that shit outta there, too much kakashi wank.
OT. sasuke wins both scenarios, second one mid dif. kakashi is not sniping anything from that distance. sasuke pressurizes him with enton and soosano attacks and eventually kills him.
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Chidori sharp spear and chidori senbon are both weaker version than regular chidori so yes chidori can be weakened.
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Kakashi had 0 intent to kill yet despite sasuke being bloodlusted he landed 0 hits. While kakashi landed two. Sasuke even had to resort to ms first. Keeping up isn't getting kicked in the face. Lmao.
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kakashi had already decided to put down sasuke so thats not an excuse. sasuke physically was not in the best of shape. he had been fighting a lot in the summit and later on against danzo were he had to use soosano a lot, while kakashi was fresh as one could be with no prior fighting whatsover. karin notes that sasukes body was not ready for another battle yet kakashi failed to put down the guy. i think thats kishis way of showing us whos actually the superior one. if kakashi cannot put down a non fresh sasuke in taijutsu, how the hell can he handle a fresh one? pls. sasuke easily guarded that kick so that point is moot.
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When did minato say that about obito? also hour or two is long enough a genjutsu relies on the chakra especially when you controlling someone instead of using it an a way to kill it should last as long as your chakra pool but as i said 1-2 hours is more than enough most fights only last about 45 minutes.
Manda is fast he escaped the Aoe of gamabunta fire witch dwafs bunta itself
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he was also able to get behind bunta and seconds katsuya was blitz and tsunade was caught off gaurd
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look at tsunade's face manda is capable of dodging everything in kakashi's arsenal and killing him with whaps from his tail same for Aoda.Yes he can make it weaker but that doesnt mean he did using chidori in a different style doesnt make it weaker he wanted to shock and or electrocute him instead of using it as jabber or piercing something or someone. but this still doesnt change the fact that raikiri wont sratch either of the two be shocking the water because they are just to big plus its to much water for that to be effective anyways .
Gedo mazo leg isnt as big as either of those snakes plus i already showed they're speed dodging it isnt a problem they destroy the bushin with ease.
sasuke can controll manda the momment he summons him he displayed before Deidara's C0 went off furthermore Aoda is loyal to sasuke
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He doesnt need to controll aoda he will just listen and why can sasuke help them shuriken jutsu plus katon destroys the bushin easily as they are all lesser than the real kakashi who sasuke is faster than. Ration on his blade can cut the raikiri chain.there are two Aoda & Manda
exactly they will need to perform that jutsu if they plan on hurting the boss summonings witch they easily destroy like its nothing.
Sasuke was aiming to kill gaara he clearly struck him at the chest and who's to say he could paralyze you back then. Also he used chidori again to get free while his hand was still on gaara's chest.
because they're are chidori varients doesnt mean there weaker than the primary jutsu and if thats so same goes for raikiri chain or raikiri dog but your non making sense. i geuss all those enton varients arnt as hot as amaterasu because they're not amaterasu.
brining this up is insanely weak sasuke was blind basically just had got out of a fight with danzo a hole through chest plus exhausted kakashi was fresh in healthy and was planning on killing sasuke aswell he said so this must how the 3rd felt. He didnt land a solid blow on Sasuke he blocked kakashi's kick.
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Kakashi decided to put him down AFTER naruto got there. Naruto held kakashi back for that explicit purpose.
Kakashi was trying to talk him down. Sasuke was the only one going 4 the kill.
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kakashi had already decided to kill sasuke but thats all irrelevant because trying to compare those to then is a pathetic jesture because sasuke was exhausted after all the fighting
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He said it when he fought obito(who he thought was madara) he knew that madara(obito) can't hold him for long thus wanting a quick fight. Kakashi fought for two days an hr and 30 min isn't cutting it. Not to mention you holding hebi sause on madara and obito's standards despite sasuke not having a ms(which according to itachi and the tablet is needed to control the kyuubi) and despite his only showing only lasting 5 seconds. Sasuke doesn't have the chakra pool, genjutsu prowess, or mongekyou to control boss summons for extended periods of time. And if he does(he doesn't) kakashi overrides it with his genjutsu.
No manda got hit but shed his skin to escape. And katsuyu isn't even a battle orientated summon. Like I said the frogs nor the slugs have speed feats. Heck even tsunade danced on manda stabbing him with bunta's sword.
Manda isn't faster than a v2 jin and his mass is to big to avoid raiden.
No he did make it weaker. Not only did that risk killing his own teammate his orders were to capture. He weakened the chidori. Kakashi's can simply strengthen raikiri so that the current can shock and kill the snake. It's right there in the scan. If need be he does raikiri in both hands.
The gedo mazo's leg is comparable to the width of the snake. But the important part its that he WRAPPED IT AROUND the leg. Meaning the chain itself fully stretched out is more than long enough since it covered the circumference of the gedo's leg. Mind you guy is smaller than that of its big toe yet kakashi's raiden pulled that off.
How long sasuke can maintain control is debatable. His best time is 5 seconds. Hence why I said one of them. Manda isn't listening to the brat. Hebi sasuke is slower than war arc kakashi and kakashi has the elements advantage. Besides kakashi isn't gonna stand there and just let him summon both. And sasuke can't summon both at the same time. Raiton on blade has shown weaker cutting power than a regular chidori. While the greatest cutting feat(pre yoton frs) came from raiden. Sasuke's blade gets cut.
No it's one
There only connected by the chain which itself its pretty long. They can move independently.
Aiming to kill during chunin exams? Lol
No neither kakashi or hiruzen faught their respective students without intent to kill when they finally decided to kill their students kakashi had to be held back while hiruzen yanked part oro's soul out and no sasuke didn't block. And after naruto got there he got punched in the face
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this doesnt look like talking to me
he went for it there and they had a spar but he couldnt incapacitate sasuke. his aim was to incapacitate sasuke-a guy who had just come out of a taxing battle- and he failed. if sasuke was fully fit am sure he would have put kakashi on his ass.
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Sasuke wins scenario one. Aoda or Manda eats him. Or they can stall for kirin.
Scenario 2: Pretty obvious why Sasuke wins.
Scenario 2: Pretty obvious why Sasuke wins.
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Minato never said anything like that to obito unless you can provide a scan im not wrong. Why would minato go through the trouble of fighting obito [Not to kill him] but to break the genjutsu with a contract seal if he knew he could not hold it long enough anyways. Kakashi is always noted on his shitty stamina when did he fight for 2 hours your just making shit up now also this fight with sasuke wont last long anyways so making up a fanfic on how long kakashi fought is irrelevant. hebi sasuke can control boss summonings or bijuu with 3 tomoe sharingan alone obito did with his
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Madara also replicated this with 3 tomoe sharingan aswell
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so i call your bluff on that needing ms to controll tailed beast & boss summonings. Sasuke has a large enough chakra pool they dont need to focus while controlling they're victims kurama was on the other side of the village when obito lost to minato Madara used perfect susanoo and everything in his arsenal while controlling kurama its not its nothing to fight alongside your victim. Sasuke's genjutsu only wore off because Manda had died from the attack nothing else. Kakashi isn overriting the genjutsu i once thought you could do that but was proven wrong before ill bring up the argument in a minute doesnt matter katsuya was blitz. Bunta fire didnt touch him he easily went underground to dodge and come from behind and was about to eat bunta tsunade got him because she came from the behind of him nothing else if she was his direction she would have been smacked or swatted like a bug by his tail but again still doesnt change the fact that manda is to big to be cut.
Manda is faster than those v2's who showed no speed feats inparticular. Manda & Aoda can dodge raikiri chain easy kakashi on feet would be to slow to catch them once they go underground witch happens in a split second they are to big for kakashi to escape a swip from they're tail and from being swallow especially with bushin witch only needs one touch before they go poof.
Suigetsu was well aware of the risk when taking on chidori and one chidori is not enough to kill suigetsu your point is still a moot using 2 hands or 3 doesnt change the fact that raikiri and no shape or form is putting down to boss summings i geuss when kakashi is doing all of this sasuke stands idlely by. And for kakashi to use the electric charge on the water would need his hands on the water he is stuck down by sasuke while both of his hands are incapcitated he's not getting the tech done nore would if have any effect whatsoever.
The gedo mazo leg isnt as wide as the manda width wise furthermore gedo mazo leg was up in the air kakashi only pulled that off with a combo attack manda head would not be in the air as he would be mainly underwater because of this location the raikiri chain isnt happening either way Manda has tough skin its rather debateable if it could pierce him
plus it has a high pain tolerance.
I already cleared up your hugh misconception on sasuke controlling summonings and established why his genjutsu faded after its use was over because manda had died read above incase you forgot. Hebi sasuke is slower than war arc kakashi when did kakahshi speed feats increase when was kakashi ever faster than hebi sasuke stop with the fanfics already its pathetic. Kakashi does not have the elemental advantage here except for his suiton witch is counterd with katon. Sasuke can use summonings nigh instant kakashi isnt stoping him from doing so especially at 100 metors. It hasit shown weaker cutting power than regular chidori because chidori is made for penetration not slicing or slashes also it has shown equal power to all of sasuke cutting forces if not greater and i was using that as an example because sasuke can use ration on his shuriken also riged to destroy kakashi's clones or to a big hassel for him to get through because he isnt countering all those shuriken with ration.
if they want to use that jutsu they'll need to be connected spliting them apart the jutsu isnt happening witch is easy again because they're bushin shurikens and boss summonings would kill them i explained already why manda & aoda dodges kakashi all day long one swip and he's dead im done debating over the raikiri chain argument i counterd it and all my post since you brought it up.
Yes you act like its impossible gaara slaughterd the dudes in the forest of death sasuke was trying to kill orochimaru with they fought neji tryed to kill hinata in they fight and they're cousin i think kankuro killed that sound dude gaara tryed to kill rock lee etc the list goes on.
Hiruzen regreated not killing orochimaru but he said this time ill re do my mistake or something like that and kakashi said so this how the 3rd must have felt and he punched sasuke in chest look how sasuke was blocking
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was clearly blocking his chest area and rather it was the intent to kill or not sasuke was half dead when he fought kakashi brining up that shows how desperate you are. We never saw hebi sasuke go all out against deidara because he was trying to keep him alive he didnt have manda in the itachi fight so wasit his full power either. Thats the logic your gasping at sasuke could also prep kirin if needed but its not.
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