Sasuke Vs Dai, Gai & Lee...(All 3 Using 8 Gates)

[KidGamer65]

The scan definitely implies the shield was destroyed and even if it wasn't the force was

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. Naruto said that because he and Minato could do nothing more than breaking the shield; no physical damage was inflicted upon Obito.

1. You have a point, but still, you have no proof that Madara's Gudo Dama are so much more durable than Obito's that his staff would be able to block more damage than all 9 of Obito's balls combined. Not even sure why you are attempting to make such a ridiculous claim in the first place.

2. Then that takes us back to the fact that no matter how strong EE could possibly be, due to it's properties, wouldn't have destroyed the Gudo Dama. So where is this idea of a inconsistency coming from when 1 Gudo Dama shield made from 1 single Gudo Dama has never tanked anything stronger than a Bijuu Sized Senjutsu Rasengan.

I'm not sure why we're even discussing this. No normal explosion can just be contained to the size of someone's body. Even though Madara didn't take every bit of produced energy from that attack, Madara still tanked it and given previous feats of Onmyoudon, Yoton: Rasenshuriken would completely rip it to shreds regardless of its size.

Then that'd mean Madara>His Gudo Dama when it comes to durability, cause Madara was taking multiple EE hits yet wasn't severely damaged as DA noted in his post, yet Evening Elephant smashed the Gudo Dama, and that doesn't make sense either.

They never end up fighting in the trench [

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]. Any scan to approximately show how long the valley is?
Edit: Scans imply the valley was widened after the battle seeing as

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is not as wide as

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How does them not fighting in the trench have anything to do with my post? I said the trench is large enough to contain Mountain Sized objects purely based on the size, and the fact that the Madara/Hashirama statues are in there,

Nope. All we know is that it's longer than what we've seen on panel. What we've seen on panel is enough to prove my point anyway.

Not sure how your last statement makes sense. First you say that the valley was widened after the battle, then you say the crater long after the fight isn't as wide as it was a minute after the SS v PS Kyuubi clash. If anything, perspective and Kishimoto's shift in drawing style are why it doesn't appear to be as wide. Why bring Part 1 scans into this anyway when we have enough part 2 comparaisons.

 

[Haizaki]

If I'm reading correctly, I can see people saying the last EE wasn't strong enough to destroy Madara's TSB? Because Madara took it despite being able to heal? Need to confirm that before I can actually respond.

 

[Hokage4]

Team gai wins. Pretty easily.

 

[RedRobin]

8 gates Gai eats through PS. Get out of here. SS was able to tear it off of Kuruma. Gai pushed Madara so deep into the earth. He also distorted space and time.

 

[A v i]

I think Sasuke wins as Sasuke won't stand there like a tard and try to tank everything thrown at him by Gai. I don't think Sasuke's defence is strong enough to completely tank Guys attacks but he can avoid them thanks to his teleportation and even fool him via different means until Guy runs out of juice.

 

[KidGamer65]

8 gates Gai eats through PS. Get out of here. SS was able to tear it off of Kuruma. Gai pushed Madara so deep into the earth. He also distorted space and time.

Literally all this has been replied to. Get out of here if you are going to repeat what others have said, minus all the logical reasoning. I'm not going to start saying that Gai's punch is stronger than 12 Bijuu Dama the size of SS's fist because "He pushed him so deep into the earth".

Don't care about Night Gai as I never mentioned anything about it vs. Madara's PS.

 

[RedRobin]

Literally all this has been replied to. Get out of here if you are going to repeat what others have said, minus all the logical reasoning. I'm not going to start saying that Gai's punch is stronger than 12 Bijuu Dama the size of SS's fist because "He pushed him so deep into the earth".

Don't care about Night Gai as I never mentioned anything about it vs. Madara's PS.

What are you even talking about?

When has PS ever taken on something that could earth into the earth like that?

 

[SIX PATHZ]

When has PS ever taken on something that could earth into the earth like that?

ever saw PS slice the mountains with just a swing?

 

[KidGamer65]

What are you even talking about?

When has PS ever taken on something that could earth into the earth like that?

SS's attack and Madara's final attack created an equal explosion, thus they are equal. Madara's attack was 12 BD blades. Already thoroughly addressed the last part. Saying Evening Elephant surpasses Madara and Hashirama's final attack because of how deep a crater it made, while ignoring the fact that the crater was narrow as all hell is only going to bring you to a nonsense conclusion.

 

[RedRobin]

ever saw PS slice the mountains with just a swing?

That has nothing to do with defending against 8 gates Gai.

SS's attack and Madara's final attack created an equal explosion, thus they are equal. Madara's attack was 12 BD blades. Already thoroughly addressed the last part. Saying Evening Elephant surpasses Madara and Hashirama's final attack because of how deep a crater it made, while ignoring the fact that the crater was narrow as all hell is only going to bring you to a nonsense conclusion.

Lol 8 gates is not on SM Hashirama's level or EMS Madara's level, he is above them.

Narrow? You need to check that panel again, that tunnel in the group was wide and deep.

 

[SIX PATHZ]

That has nothing to do with defending against 8 gates Gai.

now you get it dont you?same goes for madara go down deep in earth.
in other hand effect of gai's biggest move = just a swing.not that different after all.

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol 8 gates is not on SM Hashirama's level or EMS Madara's level, he is above them

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Thanks Captain Obvious. I never would've realized that without your help.

Now let me help you. Gai being stronger than them has nothing to do with him having more firepower than them, because he doesn't.

Narrow? You need to check that panel again, that tunnel in the group was wide and deep.

That wasn't wide. What Manga are you reading? In comparison to almost every explosion we've seen in this Manga? Lmao. It's width is shit.

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If you aren't going to counter the previously presented arguments please don't reply again, cause you're wasting my time.

 

[A v i]

I think there are so many inconsistencies regarding this topic. When Obito trapped everyone inside red barrier and used bujjidama, the attack completely obliterated Madara's PS where as same attack didn't even put a scratch on Obito's gedodama shield. Then we have Senjutsu rasengan which can't even hope to put a dent on PS breaking through Obito's defence like nothing. Unike Ninjutsu or Taijutsu ,Senjutsu has natural advantage over Jubbi jins which is why even less powerful attacks have significant effect on their abilities. So we can't really use feats of Jubbi jins against Senjutsu users as a testament of their true calibre.

Comparing Bujjidama with Gai's attacks is clearly not an accurate method to suggest how much damage Gai can cause to PS or anything. Kaguya's punches certainly can't obliterate mountains like bujjudama yet she managed to break through Sasuke's Susanoo like nothing. Gai's attack are kinda similar to that of Kaguya since they both uses air as a medium. As far as I am concerned even the thought of someone weaker than EMS putting a dent on Juubi jin sounds ridiculous. He may doesn't have flashy moves that can obliterate mountains but his attacks are strong enough to take on Sasuke. Sasuke still wins this regardless of Guy can break his defence or not.

 

[Haizaki]

Gai's multiple Evening Elephant breaks through PS. Especially if it's direct.

 

[RedRobin]

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Thanks Captain Obvious. I never would've realized that without your help.

Now let me help you. Gai being stronger than them has nothing to do with him having more firepower than them, because he doesn't.


That wasn't wide. What Manga are you reading? In comparison to almost every explosion we've seen in this Manga? Lmao. It's width is shit.

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If you aren't going to counter the previously presented arguments please don't reply again, cause you're wasting my time.

What the frack are you talking about?

Please oh please show me another attack which did this. Do you see the size of the fuvking hole?

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[KidGamer65]

Gai's multiple Evening Elephant breaks through PS. Especially if it's direct.

By multiple do you mean all 5 steps? Or multiple uses of all 5 steps? The latter is true, obviously. The former is definitely not true.

What the frack are you talking about?

Lmao. What exactly do you mean by this? I really hope you aren't losing track of this discussion when we are only two (three?) posts in.

Please oh please show me another attack which did this. Do you see the size of the fuvking hole?

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I already addressed the nonsense about it being super wide. Everything else here has been addressed in my replies to Touken. For the last time. READ IT AND COUNTER OR DON'T BOTHER MENTIONING ANYTHING ABOUT ONE EVENING ELEPHANT BEING STRONGER THAN SS's punches.

I think there are so many inconsistencies regarding this topic. When Obito trapped everyone inside red barrier and used bujjidama, the attack completely obliterated Madara's PS where as same attack didn't even put a scratch on Obito's gedodama shield. Then we have Senjutsu rasengan which can't even hope to put a dent on PS breaking through Obito's defence like nothing. Unike Ninjutsu or Taijutsu ,Senjutsu has natural advantage over Jubbi jins which is why even less powerful attacks have significant effect on their abilities. So we can't really use feats of Jubbi jins against Senjutsu users as a testament of their true calibre.

Lol. What are you talking about? No one is comparing the damage a regular Bijuu Dama and Evening Elephant both did to the Gudo Dama. Senjutsu has nothing to do with anything here. Not to mention Senjutsu isn't super effective against the Gudo Dama like water is super effective against fire Pokemon. Lmao. Gudo Dama just can't negate Senjutsu, so the Senjutsu attack only does it's regular damage.

Comparing Bujjidama with Gai's attacks is clearly not an accurate method to suggest how much damage Gai can cause to PS or anything. Kaguya's punches certainly can't obliterate mountains like bujjudama yet she managed to break through Sasuke's Susanoo like nothing. Gai's attack are kinda similar to that of Kaguya since they both uses air as a medium. As far as I am concerned even the thought of someone weaker than EMS putting a dent on Juubi jin sounds ridiculous. He may doesn't have flashy moves that can obliterate mountains but his attacks are strong enough to take on Sasuke. Sasuke still wins this regardless of Guy can break his defence or not.

And then we have the good ol' "don't compare different types of attacks" argument.

1. Kaguya's punches obliterate Perfect Susanoo. They'd obliterate any Mountain. Why in the world would you believe otherwise? Because they are punches? Falwed logic.

I was going to put a number 2 here....but there is no reason to even continue as that is the bulk of this second part of your post.

Gai's attacks are not strong enough to take on Sasuke or dent his defense let alone break it. Not by any stretch of the imagination. Not by any whatsoever. Not sure what in the world the bold is supposed to refer to.


People. Stop overrating Evening Elephant for Christ sakes. Lol.

 

[A v i]

Lol. What are you talking about? No one is comparing the damage a regular Bijuu Dama and Evening Elephant both did to the Gudo Dama. Senjutsu has nothing to do with anything here. Not to mention Senjutsu isn't super effective against the Gudo Dama like water is super effective against fire Pokemon. Lmao. Gudo Dama just can't negate Senjutsu, so the Senjutsu attack only does it's regular damage.

No one said that you're comparing them. I didn't even read your posts in the first place. I was talking in general and addressing what happened in manga. So I don't even get why you find the need to pointing it out as no one is referring to your arguments here. If you or anyone never said anything remotely closer to it then why in the world you act as if I was addressing you or anyone ?

What you said about Senjutsu is by no means different from what I said so I don't get why you're here to post something I am already aware of. Did I said Senjutsu effects them more than it should normally do? No. Senjutsu attacks have the advantage of not being nullified by their defence hence they're more effective than attacks that failed to put a dent on them despite being far weaker attacks than later ones. Taijutsu doesn't have such an advantage , the fact that an attack such as afternoon tiger failed to put a dent on Juubi jin when a mere basic senjutsu Rasengan caused considerable damage proves it. So simple thought of using senjutsu as a reference while judging how strong Juubi's jins defence is just insane.

The damage output of rasengan on Juubi jin Obito was literally same as what it'd normally do when used on normal shinobi in NV. If you're going to tell me that it's not same as having advantage and that the durability of Juubi jin is no different from that of a normal person then I won't be taking you seriously any more.

There is a difference b/w saying Senjutsu works better than Ninjutsu/Taijutsu as it has advantage and saying that it's super effective i.e. it'd do more damage than it should normally produce. I ask you to fully understand my pots before quoting me again. If don't get my point then let me know,I'll try to explain it. Please don't go around assuming that what I said is same as what you understand
and quote me for something that wasn't posted by me.

And then we have the good ol' "don't compare different types of attacks" argument.

1. Kaguya's punches obliterate Perfect Susanoo. They'd obliterate any Mountain. Why in the world would you believe otherwise? Because they are punches? Falwed logic.

I was going to put a number 2 here....but there is no reason to even continue as that is the bulk of this second part of your post.

Gai's attacks are not strong enough to take on Sasuke or dent his defense let alone break it. Not by any stretch of the imagination. Not by any whatsoever. Not sure what in the world the bold is supposed to refer to.


People. Stop overrating Evening Elephant for Christ sakes. Lol.

And why on blue planet should I believe they can obliterate mountains? Because they're from Kaguya? Or Because someone appeared out of nowhere and said that they can destroy mountains as if he know that it's a fact? Don't even bother with quoting me again if everything you can do is insulting others for having different views than you and act as if your assumptions are facts. I have already said they're my views and if you have different views then explain why your views are better otherwise stay away from me. It saves a lot time for us.

 

[KidGamer65]

No one said that you're comparing them. I didn't even read your posts in the first place. I was talking in general and addressing what happened in manga. So I don't even get why you find the need to pointing it out as no one is referring to your arguments here. If you or anyone never said anything remotely closer to it then why in the world you act as if I was addressing you or anyone ?

Ok then.

What you said about Senjutsu is by no means different from what I said so I don't get why you're here to post something I am already aware of. Did I said Senjutsu effects them more than it should normally do? No. Senjutsu attacks have the advantage of not being nullified by their defence hence they're more effective than attacks that failed to put a dent on them despite being far weaker attacks than later ones. Taijutsu doesn't have such an advantage , the fact that an attack such as afternoon tiger failed to put a dent on Juubi jin when a mere basic senjutsu Rasengan caused considerable damage proves it. So simple thought of using senjutsu as a reference while judging how strong Juubi's jins defence is just insane.

Ok then.

The damage output of rasengan on Juubi jin Obito was literally same as what it'd normally do when used on normal shinobi in NV. If you're going to tell me that it's not same as having advantage and that the durability of Juubi jin is no different from that of a normal person then I won't be taking you seriously any more.

Don't start acting stupid. I've already posted my thoughts on this matter and we are literally in the same place when it comes to our stance. Don't try and make an argument out of nothing. Waste of my goddamn time.

And why on blue planet should I believe they can obliterate mountains? Because they're from Kaguya? Or Because someone appeared out of nowhere and said that they can destroy mountains as if he know that it's a fact? Don't even bother with quoting me again if everything you can do is insulting others for having different views than you and act as if your assumptions are facts. I have already said they're my views and if you have different views then explain why your views are better otherwise stay away from me. It saves a lot time for us.

Lmao, what crawled up this kid's ass? Who insulted you here buddy? Nobody did. So I suggest you take your pissy ass childish behavior elsewhere. If you are butthurt because I'm right and present myself like I am right, then you can go cry me a river son. Though I do find it interesting that only the ones who consistently make retarded points (like you) are the only ones who ever cry about "thinking your opinion" is fact. Not surprised that all you clowns have something in common.

That's what's wrong with kids like you. They cry when they get corrected and start moaning and whining about "You think you are right all the time". When I am in fact right in this scenario, and I even provided evidence as to why I'm correct, but of course, while you were throwing your hissy fit that probably flew over your head. PS is as large as a Mountain, and it's more durable. Kaguya hits a Mountain, the same thing happens to it. It goes boom.

Lmao, now that I finally know who you were behind the name change, it really explains why you are acting like such a bitch. Still mad kiddo? Lmao.

 

[-immortal-]

Gai's multiple Evening Elephant breaks through PS. Especially if it's direct.

No, if gai can counter to amenotejikara then lets talk. His evening elephant aint doing nothing against something he can't hit.

Sasuke can swing with his sword from Km distances to hit them


Also keep all talkin when rinnegan genjutsu put all 9 bijuu into a genjutsu and he didn even look at all

Genjutsu make all 3 go to sleep

 

[A v i]

Don't start acting stupid. I've already posted my thoughts on this matter and we are literally in the same place when it comes to our stance. Don't try and make an argument out of nothing. Waste of my goddamn time.

If you think it's a waste of time then don't bother with quoting me. It saves some time for me as well.

Lmao, what crawled up this kid's ass? Who insulted you here buddy? Nobody did. So I suggest you take your pissy ass childish behavior elsewhere. If you are butthurt because I'm right and present myself like I am right, then you can go cry me a river son. Though I do find it interesting that only the ones who consistently make retarded points (like you) are the only ones who ever cry about "thinking your opinion" is fact. Not surprised that all you clowns have something in common.

I said you insult others and never said you've insulted me. Already told you to fully understand the content before quoting me. Btw, you just proved what I said before in this post. Seems like you're under the impression that you've accomplished something with your little neg rep but let me tell you that I care very little about useless things such as reputation.

That's what's wrong with kids like you. They cry when they get corrected and start moaning and whining about "You think you are right all the time". When I am in fact right in this scenario, and I even provided evidence as to why I'm correct, but of course, while you were throwing your hissy fit that probably flew over your head. PS is as large as a Mountain, and it's more durable. Kaguya hits a Mountain, the same thing happens to it. It goes boom.

I don't understand why you're getting mad here. You didn't gave me
any reasons when you quoted me, you blindly said that she can bust mountains without giving a reason. So I don't understand why you act as if you proved your point with an argument and I ignored your reasons when you actually never provided any. PS isn't same as mountain as nothing apart from it's height matches a mountain. Kaguya didn't blast Susanoo, she forced Sasuke to drop Susanoo with overwhelming force which is far different from making it boom. Your logic is completely flawed. Once again don't quote me with your useless insults if everything you can do is insulting others for having different opinion. I don't give two shits about whether if you're right or not. What I am asking you to do is to stop getting mad over little things and make your point clear without insulting others. If it's too hard for you then leave me alone as it'll save me some time.

Lmao, now that I finally know who you were behind the name change, it really explains why you are acting like such a bitch. Still mad kiddo? Lmao.

I have no idea about what you're talking about. But whatever.