Sasuke Vs Dai, Gai & Lee...(All 3 Using 8 Gates)

[adeshina365]

8 gates is a multiplier of power, it won't have the same effect on Dai and Lee.

Gai was kage level, when he used the 8g he became JJ level. On the other hand, Dai was gennin lvl, and when he used 8g he couldn't even kill the 7 swordmen of the mist, since we know kisame killed his own master, but Kisame's master faced Dai, that implies he survived against him.

So 8g Gai >>>>>> 8g lee >>>>> 8g Dai.

Meaning Lee and Dai are non factors so Sasuke stills wins

Most of NB can't seem to understand that.

Sasuke Shits.

 

[Touken]

You were telling me how EE could be many times stronger and not damage the Gudo Dama because of the nature of the attack. I should've used better wording. Lol. But yeah, that's what I mean by the bold.

They have no durability feat that'd put them on that level. Getting damaged by a small Bijuu Dama is a feat far inferior to PS's tanking of a larger Bijuu Dama w/ no damage.

lol, English can be a derpy language at times.

Regarding the assumption being made of Madara's Gudo Dama being stronger than Obito's, wouldn't it depend on perspective to say that tanking Gai's 1st Step is a major durability feat towards Madara's Gudo Dama rather than saying EE isn't as strong as we think it is? Especially when you consider the crater Gai's 1st Step left and the fact that the majority of Shinsuusenju's arms were taken out by 10-13 Bijuu Bombs w/ rotating PS swords and yet it was still able to break through PS, and Shinsuusenju left a far smaller crater than EE.

 

[adeshina365]

Touken, stopping fapping to Gai.

 

[Bogard]

The irony Lol

OT: I don't care who wins, so draw

 

[Touken]

Touken, stopping fapping to Gai.

Could you just do us a favour and leave the site?

 

[KidGamer65]

lol, English can be a derpy language at times.

Regarding the assumption being made of Madara's Gudo Dama being stronger than Obito's, wouldn't it depend on perspective to say that tanking Gai's 1st Step is a major durability feat towards Madara's Gudo Dama rather than saying EE isn't as strong as we think it is? Especially when you consider the crater Gai's 1st Step left and the fact that the majority of Shinsuusenju's arms were taken out by 10-13 Bijuu Bombs w/ rotating PS swords and yet it was still able to break through PS, and Shinsuusenju left a far smaller crater than EE.

You yourself stated that his Gudo Dana didn't break because the air cannon is nothing but a blast if air, and that EE could be many times stronger and not do anything. Are you dropping that argument? Cause it conflicts with this post.

Madara took the air cannon with a crack to his headband like thing when all he did was block with his staff. Unless you think that his staff and his body are more durable than the combo of Obitos Gyro Dama, the. EE is not as strong as Chojo Kebutsu.

That crater was deep but narrow. SSs crater was deep and extremely wide.

 

[Touken]

You yourself stated that his Gudo Dana didn't break because the air cannon is nothing but a blast if air, and that EE could be many times stronger and not do anything. Are you dropping that argument? Cause it conflicts with this post.

Not exactly dropping the argument, the point stands when Madara was up in the air when Gai trapped him with 4 EE Steps. I'm on about Madara's staff and orbs tanking EE when Gai pushed them and Madara against the ground (8G Gai's first attack on Madara).

Madara took the air cannon with a crack to his headband like thing when all he did was block with his staff. Unless you think that his staff and his body are more durable than the combo of Obitos Gyro Dama, the. EE is not as strong as Chojo Kebutsu.

Although it sounds absurd, is his body not stronger than Obito's Gudo Dama? He survived Naruto's Youton: Rasenshuriken and that technique would obliterate any defence Obito could put up, and would definitely smash his Gudo Dama to pieces.

That crater was deep but narrow. SSs crater was deep and extremely wide.

It was wide but nowhere near as deep as EE. Not even close.

 

[adeshina365]

Could you just do us a favour and leave the site?

I find it funny that the only people to like this post are known members of the Naruto/Minato/Kakashi/Jiraiya fapforce.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Gai's final step breaking the Gudo Dama makes absolutely no sense, Madara's control over it must have faltered. Otherwise you wouldn't have instances where Obito's Gudo Dama only gets cracked by Senjutsu Bijudama + Senjutsu Susano'O arrow but a normal sized Senjutsu Rasengan can damage him.

Not to mention that Madara took all the steps off EE + that direct hit but barely any damage, and even went on to say it wasn't working after he had been hit by it a few more times (Assumption on the last part, based on his statement since he was referring to when he was fighting Gai and we were watching Naruto meet Hagoromo).

If you think that Gai's EE can break Gudo Dama, then you also have to believe that Madara's Body durability >>>> Gudo Dama​

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[KidGamer65]

Not exactly dropping the argument, the point stands when Madara was up in the air when Gai trapped him with 4 EE Steps. I'm on about Madara's staff and orbs tanking EE when Gai pushed them and Madara against the ground (8G Gai's first attack on Madara).

So then you'd have to say that Madara's staff is more durable than Obito's Gudo Dama, and that's not true, as the staff is all he used to guard against Evening Elephant. Didn't use the orbs.

Although it sounds absurd, is his body not stronger than Obito's Gudo Dama? He survived Naruto's Youton: Rasenshuriken and that technique would obliterate any defence Obito could put up, and would definitely smash his Gudo Dama to pieces.

He survived it due to it being so large while he was so small in comparison, and because Naruto detonated it which only caused it's AoE to increase. The more widespread the jutsu, the less damage Madara himself takes.

It was wide but nowhere near as deep as EE. Not even close.

And EE was nowhere near as wide as VoTE, which was formed by SS's punches. Not even close.

 

[AnonymousShinobi]

Sasuke stomps while training Boruto

 

[Touken]

So then you'd have to say that Madara's staff is more durable than Obito's Gudo Dama, and that's not true, as the staff is all he used to guard against Evening Elephant. Didn't use the orbs.

Why can't that be true? Madara's staff is made from the exact same material as his Gudo Dama and so is Naruto's stick-like staff [

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], and his staff was able to wound Madara [

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]. Would Obito be able to do the same?

He survived it due to it being so large while he was so small in comparison, and because Naruto detonated it which only caused it's AoE to increase. The more widespread the jutsu, the less damage Madara himself takes.

Not sure how this logic works. Even if it is the case, the fact that Madara was at the epicenter of the explosion, it shouldn't matter how widespread it becomes.

And EE was nowhere near as wide as VoTE, which was formed by SS's punches. Not even close.

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was to be focused at one point like EE, it'd create a much, much bigger depth than

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, and it'd have to be much bigger considering you stated Gai would need a few air cannons to break Madara's PS.

 

[Haizaki]

The irony Lol

Lmaooo

 

[KeyofDestiny]

Why can't that be true? Madara's staff is made from the exact same material as his Gudo Dama and so is Naruto's stick-like staff [

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], and his staff was able to wound Madara [

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]. Would Obito be able to do the same?

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If they are made from the exact same material, why would a stick be more durable than

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? If Obito hit Madara with his staff, he'd easily wound him unless Naruto's physical power>>>Obito's physical power, and the gap isn't that large.

Not sure how this logic works. Even if it is the case, the fact that Madara was at the epicenter of the explosion, it shouldn't matter how widespread it becomes.

Pressure. Physics. A guy can lay on a bed of nails but not be pierced, while he can't lay on one nail and survive. The more widespread the energy of the attack, the lower the amount of energy that actually effects the target. That's why Tenpenchii can make a giant crater in the ground but not damage V2 Susanoo or cloaked SA shinobi, despite it being stronger than a regular Bijuu Dama overall. Being at the epicenter won't change that.

That statement implies if the middle panel of

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was to be focused at one point like EE, it'd create a much, much bigger depth than

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, and it'd have to be much bigger considering you stated Gai would need a few air cannons to break Madara's PS.

That's not the full crater carved out by SS.

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None of these images even begin to show the full trench and crater created by the attack. It's incomparably stronger than Evening Elephant.

Damn....my post won't appear. Lol Hold up.....

@Touken:

1. They are made of the same exact material like you said, so there's absolutely no way that a stick is more durable than

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. That makes no sense. It's like saying a branch of a tree will be more durable than the trunk. Then there's the fact that Naruto's stick isn't special. If Obito swung full force and hit Madara, he'd easily wound him. If he can't, it's because Naruto's physical power is superior to his.

2. It's pressure. I can lay on a bed of nails and not be pierced, but if I laid on one nail, I'd be pierced, easily at that. The more focused the total energy of an attack is on it's target's body (or spot), the more damage that will be done. The more widespread that energy is, the less damage that will be taken. Tenpenchii's crater is larger than that of any regular sized Bijuu Dama, yet it couldn't break V2 Susanoo while Bijuu Dama would wreck it.

3. That's nowhere near the full size of the crater and trench carved out by SS.

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That was all made by SS. So much stronger than the complete 5 steps of EE that I can't even begin to imagine it.

 

[Touken]

1. They are made of the same exact material like you said, so there's absolutely no way that a stick is more durable than

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. That makes no sense. It's like saying a branch of a tree will be more durable than the trunk. Then there's the fact that Naruto's stick isn't special. If Obito swung full force and hit Madara, he'd easily wound him. If he can't, it's because Naruto's physical power is superior to his.

The underlying point of me saying Madara's Gudo Dama are stronger than Obito's is that it could just be the more/stronger chakra you have, the stronger the Gudo Dama. If this isn't the case and that all Gudo Dama are all equal in durability then there's major inconsistency given how Naruto/Minato's Rasengan was able to destroy Obito's shield, while on top of holding the attack back with Obito's chakra arms.

2. It's pressure. I can lay on a bed of nails and not be pierced, but if I laid on one nail, I'd be pierced, easily at that. The more focused the total energy of an attack is on it's target's body (or spot), the more damage that will be done. The more widespread that energy is, the less damage that will be taken. Tenpenchii's crater is larger than that of any regular sized Bijuu Dama, yet it couldn't break V2 Susanoo while Bijuu Dama would wreck it.

Tenpenchii's lightning strikes were scattered everywhere (much like your analogy with a dude on a bed of nails) unlike Naruto's Rasenshuriken which focused on a singular point and then expanded from there while taking Madara along with it.

3. That's nowhere near the full size of the crater and trench carved out by SS.

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That was all made by SS. So much stronger than the complete 5 steps of EE that I can't even begin to imagine it.

If that's the full crater then I'll concede Shinsuusenju is much stronger than EE (which I thought was the other way around) but I was under the impression that entire body of water already existed [

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] (see the middle-left panel of the first scan). I believe Shinsuusenju created the lake that

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[KeyofDestiny]

The underlying point of me saying Madara's Gudo Dama are stronger than Obito's is that it could just be the more/stronger chakra you have, the stronger the Gudo Dama. If this isn't the case and that all Gudo Dama are all equal in durability then there's major inconsistency given how Naruto/Minato's Rasengan was able to destroy Obito's shield, while on top of holding the attack back with Obito's chakra arms.

There's little to no evidence for that. There isn't even an inconsistency. Naruto and Minato's Rasengan only made a small crack on the shield and got repelled. It never destroyed it. That's why they say "that black stuff is tough" after landing, and charge a Bijuu Dama to see if they can bust it like that.

Tenpenchii's lightning strikes were scattered everywhere (much like your analogy with a dude on a bed of nails) unlike Naruto's Rasenshuriken which focused on a singular point and then expanded from there while taking Madara along with it.

Wrong. Unless the whole blade and the whole explosion hit Madara's body, then it wasn't focused on a singular point. The Rasen Shuriken is so much bigger than Madara that what you are saying isn't even physically possible, same with the explosion.

If that's the full crater then I'll concede Shinsuusenju is much stronger than EE (which I thought was the other way around) but I was under the impression that entire body of water already existed [

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] (see the middle-left panel of the first scan). I believe Shinsuusenju created the lake that

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.

Yeah, I think that body of water was already there, but the trench is already deep enough to contain Mountain Sized objects like PS and Rikudo Kurama, and it's extremely long given the scans, and the fact that we've never seen it in it's entirety. Then there's the fact that it's wide, it's still much stronger than Evening Elephant.

 

[Oblivionx]

@Touken & @keyofDestiny
this is where SS attacked...!

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and this is enlarged view of that area...!

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and this is how deep madara was after EE...!

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@KeyofDestiny
you cannot use the picture of valley after the battle as madara spammed Bijudamas there, don't take outta the equation damage caused by other attacks and say it was all just SS...! and if i'm not wrong, you used pic of naru vs sasu fight hence you claimed that SS caused the damage caused by two most destructive fights in NV...! also the lake was already there...! SS created crated as deep as the length of madara/hashirama statues..! they were still on ground when SS attack happened...! just at the edge of lake...!
from this it is clear that EE is as strong as SS at a single point if not stronger...! greater AOE of SS doesn't matter as gai would be attacking susano where sasuke is and that would mean susano will bust open there supposing sasuke's susano isn't more durable than madara's off course...!
though his teleportation might give him the victory...! obviously that would be tricky as he would need to get out the way of EE after susano busts open so gai can win too but chances are he'd evade it...! i was inclined towards team earlier but now i think i'd give the win to sasuke because lee won't be able to bear 8th gate's pain and dai wasn't any good...! so pretty much one on one...!

 

[KidGamer65]

@KeyofDestiny
you cannot use the picture of valley after the battle as madara spammed Bijudamas there, don't take outta the equation damage caused by other attacks and say it was all just SS...! and if i'm not wrong, you used pic of naru vs sasu fight hence you claimed that SS caused the damage caused by two most destructive fights in NV...! also the lake was already there...! SS created crated as deep as the length of madara/hashirama statues..! they were still on ground when SS attack happened...! just at the edge of lake...!
from this it is clear that EE is as strong as SS at a single point if not stronger...! greater AOE of SS doesn't matter as gai would be attacking susano where sasuke is and that would mean susano will bust open there supposing sasuke's susano isn't more durable than madara's off course...!
though his teleportation might give him the victory...! obviously that would be tricky as he would need to get out the way of EE after susano busts open so gai can win too but chances are he'd evade it...! i was inclined towards team earlier but now i think i'd give the win to sasuke because lee won't be able to bear 8th gate's pain and dai wasn't any good...! so pretty much one on one...!

Uh, yes I can.

1. The lake was already there. Already admitted that.

2. Madara's Bijuu Dama never left any imprint on the Earth. Not to mention he fired them upwards at a statue that dwarfs Mountains, so it exploded in the air. When BD explodes on the ground barely anything happens anyway. Only SS would be able to create a trench like that. BD explosions don't create trenches, and SS was punching the thing on the ground. EE being greater than SS at a single point isn't factual. All of those punches are focused on target. The damage just spread out that far because SS is just that strong.

SS created a trench as deep as the Madara/Hashirama statues, but the width and the length FAR surpasses anything Gai has ever done.

3. Gai's attack isn't strong enough to put a dent in Sasuke's Rikudo PS regardless of the EE vs. SS argument. That's a joke. A good one at that. Another joke is Sasuke's Susanoo not being as durable as EMS Madara's. Lmao. Keep em' coming pal. Keep em' coming.

Gai can hit Sasuke's Susanoo with EE 10 times in the same place and it'd still take no damage.

 

[Red Slayer]

alts-alts-everywhere-Lol

 

[Touken]

There's little to no evidence for that. There isn't even an inconsistency. Naruto and Minato's Rasengan only made a small crack on the shield and got repelled. It never destroyed it. That's why they say "that black stuff is tough" after landing, and charge a Bijuu Dama to see if they can bust it like that.

The scan definitely implies the shield was destroyed and even if it wasn't the force was

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. Naruto said that because he and Minato could do nothing more than breaking the shield; no physical damage was inflicted upon Obito.

Wrong. Unless the whole blade and the whole explosion hit Madara's body, then it wasn't focused on a singular point. The Rasen Shuriken is so much bigger than Madara that what you are saying isn't even physically possible, same with the explosion.

I'm not sure why we're even discussing this. No normal explosion can just be contained to the size of someone's body. Even though Madara didn't take every bit of produced energy from that attack, Madara still tanked it and given previous feats of Onmyoudon, Yoton: Rasenshuriken would completely rip it to shreds regardless of its size.

Yeah, I think that body of water was already there, but the trench is already deep enough to contain Mountain Sized objects like PS and Rikudo Kurama, and it's extremely long given the scans, and the fact that we've never seen it in it's entirety. Then there's the fact that it's wide, it's still much stronger than Evening Elephant.

They never end up fighting in the trench [

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Edit: Scans imply the valley was widened after the battle seeing as

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is not as wide as

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