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Sasuke gave V1 Bee some speed hype. V1 Bee isnʻt on the same tier of speed as V1 Ei, nor V2 Ei.

If you want to talk about speed feats, SM Naruto blitzed Asura path from hundreds of meters away. SM Jiraiyaʻs shunshin was so fast, he could get in the pipes behind pain before pain could turn around. Pain > Deidara.


KCM Naruto was obviously not using his shunshin....

For the first part, base Naruto was moving as fast as three tomoe sasuke, so by that logic, base naruto = 3 tomoe sasukeʻs speed.
Next, look at how KCM NAruto lands. Obviously no one shunshins with their back facing their target, and narutoʻs KCM shunshin is so fast that thereʻs no room for conversation in between the movements.




...that doesnʻt put sasukeʻs speed on BSM NArutoʻs level, it puts Sasukeʻs V3 susanoo on the same level of speed as BSM Narutoʻs avatar when sasukeʻs susanoo is powered up by Naruto and Juugo.



EMS Sasukeʻs reactions = BSM Narutoʻs reactions. his shunshin speed isnʻt on the same level as KCM Naruto.
That basically just destroyed the troll panel Dantee keeps spamming. LMAO!
 

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That basically just destroyed the troll panel Dantee keeps spamming. LMAO!
Stop propagating baseless nonsense. He has backed his points with scans. The only one trolling here is you.

Sasuke gave V1 Bee some speed hype. V1 Bee isnʻt on the same tier of speed as V1 Ei, nor V2 Ei.

If you want to talk about speed feats, SM Naruto blitzed Asura path from hundreds of meters away. SM Jiraiyaʻs shunshin was so fast, he could get in the pipes behind pain before pain could turn around. Pain > Deidara.


KCM Naruto was obviously not using his shunshin....

For the first part, base Naruto was moving as fast as three tomoe sasuke, so by that logic, base naruto = 3 tomoe sasukeʻs speed.
Next, look at how KCM NAruto lands. Obviously no one shunshins with their back facing their target, and narutoʻs KCM shunshin is so fast that thereʻs no room for conversation in between the movements.

...that doesnʻt put sasukeʻs speed on BSM NArutoʻs level, it puts Sasukeʻs V3 susanoo on the same level of speed as BSM Narutoʻs avatar when sasukeʻs susanoo is powered up by Naruto and Juugo.

EMS Sasukeʻs reactions = BSM Narutoʻs reactions. his shunshin speed isnʻt on the same level as KCM Naruto.
I suppose you cannot help yourself from dropping baseless claims just about everywhere. V1 Ae didn't let KCM Naruto pass, yet Sasuke with 3T dodged him with ease and then attacked as well. Bee matched V2 Ae's Lariet and stepped in thrice to save KCM Naruto in base mode. Sasuke dodged him when he was in V1 mode.

Love how you have nothing to back this up.
 

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Hebi Sasuke's speed =< KM Naruto's speed
EMS Sasuke's speed with precogniton and chokou tomoe = Bm Naruto's speed
BSM Naruto's speed > EMS Sasuke's speed with precognition and chokou tomoe
Tomoe Rinnegan Sasuke's speed > BSM Naruto's speed
Rinnegan Sasuke's speed < Sage of six paths Senjutsu Naruto's speed
 

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Hebi Sasuke's speed =< KM Naruto's speed
EMS Sasuke's speed with precogniton and chokou tomoe = Bm Naruto's speed
BSM Naruto's speed > EMS Sasuke's speed with precognition and chokou tomoe
Tomoe Rinnegan Sasuke's speed > BSM Naruto's speed
Rinnegan Sasuke's speed < Sage of six paths Senjutsu Naruto's speed
Im sure manga stated it all somewhere, oh wait, it didnt U_U
 

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Stop propagating baseless nonsense. He has backed his points with scans. The only one trolling here is you.
Sure I do troll. That's nothing new.

I suppose you cannot help yourself from dropping baseless claims just about everywhere. V1 Ae didn't let KCM Naruto pass, yet Sasuke with 3T dodged him with ease and then attacked as well. Bee matched V2 Ae's Lariet and stepped in thrice to save KCM Naruto in base mode. Sasuke dodged him when he was in V1 mode.

Love how you have nothing to back this up.
You still go on with this? Ei didn't even think Bee was going to do anything. [ ] Bee here knew what was going to happen, it wasn't out of pure reaction. [ ]

Yeah, and KCM Naruto was let go after V2 Ei was bested.[ ][ ][ ][ ]
 

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Sure I do troll. That's nothing new.


You still go on with this? Ei didn't even think Bee was going to do anything. [ ] Bee here knew what was going to happen, it wasn't out of pure reaction. [ ]

Yeah, and KCM Naruto was let go after V2 Ei was bested.[ ][ ][ ][ ]
That is the problem. KCM's Naruto's single feat is never repeated again in the manga. Which makes it quite irrelevant. As for Bee and Ae, then I have covered most points in these two posts:



 

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Sasuke said he can read Bee when he moves in a linear movement, meaning in a straight line. If Bee is moving around then Sasuke wouldn't be able to read his movement and that's why he asked Karin to keep track of Bee movements. What reason did Naruto have to outsped Sasuke? He was throwing his FRS at the mini Juubi while Sasuke threw Enton. No blitzing needed. Never said Naruto using his sensor doesn't make him fast. Naruto didn't use his sensor on A, he saw him coming and moved out of the way point blank.

Madara didn't need to run though, that was pure plot. Madara was nerf, or do you know why he was bing using Deva path, weapon path, absorbing ninjutsu, using his summons, using katon, using wood jutsus, or using his Susanoo? He wasn't a using wood clones either. Of course Madara is going to take care of not damaging the eye, it was his only ticket to his eyes and him pausing as Sasuke got to him could be when he saw through Obito or his eye then commented on Sasuke as he saw him with his other eye.
Sasuke said he can read Bee when he moves in a linear movement, meaning in a straight line. If Bee is moving around then Sasuke wouldn't be able to read his movement and that's why he asked Karin to keep track of Bee movements. What reason did Naruto have to outsped Sasuke? He was throwing his FRS at the mini Juubi while Sasuke threw Enton. No blitzing needed. Never said Naruto using his sensor doesn't make him fast. Naruto didn't use his sensor on A, he saw him coming and moved out of the way point blank.

Madara didn't need to run though, that was pure plot. Madara was nerf, or do you know why he was bing using Deva path, weapon path, absorbing ninjutsu, using his summons, using katon, using wood jutsus, or using his Susanoo? He wasn't a using wood clones either. Of course Madara is going to take care of not damaging the eye, it was his only ticket to his eyes and him pausing as Sasuke got to him could be when he saw through Obito or his eye then commented on Sasuke as he saw hwith his other eye.

You said Sasuke's pre-cog somehow reduced his speed, i'm just saying that is it was like that Naruto would lose speed too.
Like you said, he saw him coming, Sasuke was able to avoid Ei too in the same situation. Sasuke did not see Bee coming because when he turned around he was already getting hit. KCM Naruto used shunshin and Sasuke kept up is the point.

From what we know, Madara having only 1 eye really nerfs him so I guess you're half right. Sasuke and Naruto did push him back though.

I guess non of this matters though since I agree with cafe123
 

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You said Sasuke's pre-cog somehow reduced his speed, i'm just saying that is it was like that Naruto would lose speed too.
Like you said, he saw him coming, Sasuke was able to avoid Ei too in the same situation. Sasuke did not see Bee coming because when he turned around he was already getting hit. KCM Naruto used shunshin and Sasuke kept up is the point.

From what we know, Madara having only 1 eye really nerfs him so I guess you're half right. Sasuke and Naruto did push him back though.

I guess non of this matters though since I agree with cafe123
Didn't say precognition reduce Sasuke speed, in fact it helps Sasuke read movements and use his speed better but if his opponent speed is too fast to where he can see them but can't physically react then that tells us Sasuke speed is lower than that person. Sasuke only read A's move when he was running at Sasuke in a linear movement and Sasuke already said he can read movements better that way. Shi already said A's speed in his lightning armor counters Sasuke's Sharingan. When Naruto used his speed in BM, Kakashi and Obito only saw a yellow flash with their eyes. Naruto didn't have much control over his full speed at that time, he is better at it current as he was using it to dodge and attack Kaguya.

Naruto is able to use his speed that's comparable to A's armor 1 speed as he was using that much speed fine and was working on increasing it. What you are not taking into consideration is Naruto's mental and physical welfare. He has been in intense training prior to entering the war then made 12 clones which split his power 1/13th and fought on all battlefields and we seen his clone being completely exhausted while also seeing Naruto in the same condition a couple chapters after. Naruto does feel an extent of his clones exhaustion as shown during his training to learn FRS.

Naruto didn't really rest except when Sakura healed him the 2x but as we know Tsunade makes those she heals to rest days to fully recover physically and me tell as shown with Lee then only physically as shown with Kakashi 2x, Sasuke 1x, Naruto 2x, and yet Naruto keeps on fighting for 3-4 days. So Naruto wouldn't be using his shinshun as the last time he used it was when he saved Kakashi from Obito and Bee/Gai from Edo Madara. There was no need to use his shinshun when he was throwing FRS since he threw it. Naruto doesn't use his speed again until after getting revived.
 

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Kaguya evaded Sasuke's hit even after he teleported while Naruto blitzed her a few pages later. Naruto and Sasuke aren't on the same speed tier, with Sasuke being inferior.
 

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Sasuke has had a speed on par with ay V1 since the beginning of part 2 and as only gotten faster. naruto needs kurama to enhance his speed, durability, power, etc. while sasuke only got boost in his eyes and his other abilities were hard earned.
 

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Sasuke has had a speed on par with ay V1 since the beginning of part 2 and as only gotten faster. naruto needs kurama to enhance his speed, durability, power, etc. while sasuke only got boost in his eyes and his other abilities were hard earned.
Do you not read the manga? A's lightning armor lvl 1 was stated to beat Sasuke's Sharingan so he needed precognition to see A's moves yet lacked the speed to really do anything. The only time he was able to see A's moves effectively was when he was moving in a linear movement, meaning when A was heading straight at him.

Oh and I see you left out Sasuke having Orochimaru helping his growth speed increase with drugs or forbidden jutsus since Tsunade called Sasuke's growth unnatural. Plus the fact that he also used the CM which is senjutsus which increases his overall stats.
 

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naw son, sasuke didnt take drugs in fact he called orochimaru a fool for using drugs and doing experiments on his body so its safe to assume he didnt use drugs himself. And every powerup sasuke has gotten only made his visual powers increase not his durability, power, and speed. unlike naruto who because of kurama skyrocketed in strength and the other stats i just mentioned.
 
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Do you not read the manga? A's lightning armor lvl 1 was stated to beat Sasuke's Sharingan so he needed precognition to see A's moves yet lacked the speed to really do anything. The only time he was able to see A's moves effectively was when he was moving in a linear movement, meaning when A was heading straight at him.

Oh and I see you left out Sasuke having Orochimaru helping his growth speed increase with drugs or forbidden jutsus since Tsunade called Sasuke's growth unnatural. Plus the fact that he also used the CM which is senjutsus which increases his overall stats.
Do you even read the manga? As Sasuke evaded his attack just fine and even stabbed him with Chidori, proving Chee wrong. But it's okay, as it's you.

The second paragraph is nothing but garbage.
 

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Sasuke's current speed, even factoring in his ability to teleport to point blank range, is still not even close to Rikudo Naruto's speed, that is an inarguable fact. Anyone claiming otherwise is purposefully deluding facts because they don't want to accept Sasuke's current lack of comparable feats. I don't even like Naruto and I can see very clearly that's he's massively faster.
 

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If Sasuke had any speed equal to or greater than Bee then he could have dodged that, Naruto dodged A point blank range when he saw A's fist right in his face. If Sasuke could have tracked Bee's movements then he wouldn't have lost him like that. Naruto didn't use his sensor ability on A, he was looking right at A and he was coming at him so that was speed and reflexes.

Second part makes sense since it goes along with what happened. Madara was not surprised as he had enough time to comment on Sasuke speed but did nothing to defend, he cared about his Rinnegan more. Madara could have easily used Susanoo to block Sasuke, he used Susanoo with 1 eye pre Juubi Jin so not Sasuke didn't out sped Madara, plot is what made Madara get hit. Or can you answer me why Madara wasn't using Deva path, weapon path, absorbing ninjutsus, using summoning, using wood jutsus, using katon jutsus, using his Susanoo? All of this were powerful pre Juubi Jin and would be much stronger with the Juubi power
How can he move away after feeling MS side effects? Naruto wasn't having a side effect and had sensing and saw Raikage right in front of him. How is that compared to Sasuke having backlash and getting hit from a sneak attack? He lost Bee because they went different ways Sasuke couldn't see Bee from behind his back and when he turned around Bee was out hiding also how do you know he didn't use his sensing ability? when he was fighting he could still sense no matter what.


Madara saw Sasuke and complemented him and soon after got cut in half. The other part is no different than Sasuke not using Susano'o to stop himself from getting stabbed. Or Naruto not able to cancel his BM form when he was getting dragged in by gedo mazo. Or Naruto not able to tank that katon jutsu from Madara despite SM enhancing his durability Hashirama and Sasuke tanking it without SM. Or the same reason Obito didn't use preta to absorb EntonFRS or amaterasu but instead used TSB or when he couldn't sense Tobirama use FTG and Naruto hit him with rasengan but saw and reacted to Minato's FTG it's all plot.


Oh and I see you left out Sasuke having Orochimaru helping his growth speed increase with drugs or forbidden jutsus since Tsunade called Sasuke's growth unnatural. Plus the fact that he also used the CM which is senjutsus which increases his overall stats.
Lel Sasuke didn't take drugs. Sasuke himself even said he hated how Orochimaru be using drugs and experimenting on people so why would he go and do something he himself said he hated? CM is only effective when in use just like SM and even then it kills the person and sucks their chakra when they use a jutsu how can Sasuke's growth be unreal he was training for 2-3 years it's natural with his sharingan and being a genius Kakashi someone who is also a genius said Sasuke is a fast learner. Jiraiya didn't wanna train Sasuke because he said it's no fun training a genius because they learn to fast. So it's only natural he got that fast in 2-3 years.
 
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I suppose you cannot help yourself from dropping baseless claims just about everywhere. V1 Ae didn't let KCM Naruto pass, yet Sasuke with 3T dodged him with ease and then attacked as well. Bee matched V2 Ae's Lariet and stepped in thrice to save KCM Naruto in base mode. Sasuke dodged him when he was in V1 mode.
Wait, did you just say that base bee is as fast as V2 Ei?
SM Naruto dodged someone whoʻs at least as fast as V1 Ei with even more ease than Sasuke.

Reread Sasuke vs Naruto at VoTe. KN0 Naruto wtf blitzes 2 tomoe Sasuke. 3 tomoe Sasuke blitzes KN0 Naruto. Sasuke didnʻt gain any speed, but his precognition allowed him to blitz someone whoʻs faster than him. Reread pretty much anything that talks about running at your opponent at full speed and how the sharingan allows you to dodge and counter due to precog while no sharingan makes it hard to react. 3 T Sasuke is not even on Eiʻs speed tier, he just has reactions on a totally different level than Ei.

Also, KCM Naruto dodged and could easily perceive Eiʻs fastest punch. Sasuke canʻt even keep track of V2 Eiʻs movements with his MS. So like usually, debate honestly.
 

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That is the problem. KCM's Naruto's single feat is never repeated again in the manga. Which makes it quite irrelevant. As for Bee and Ae, then I have covered most points in these two posts:



Well, he had only shown it three times. But then again, Juubito himself had only shown two speed feats as a Jinchuuriki. That doesn't mean he can't use it. When it's been forced down our throats from this author that Person A is capable of performing XYZ, that means that it's applicable. Even more so when it's been done again to further emphasizes it's relevance, seeing how he did the exact same thing with the 5 TBBs and when he intercepted Madara's and Obito's attack.
 

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Wait, did you just say that base bee is as fast as V2 Ei?
SM Naruto dodged someone whoʻs at least as fast as V1 Ei with even more ease than Sasuke.

Reread Sasuke vs Naruto at VoTe. KN0 Naruto wtf blitzes 2 tomoe Sasuke. 3 tomoe Sasuke blitzes KN0 Naruto. Sasuke didnʻt gain any speed, but his precognition allowed him to blitz someone whoʻs faster than him. Reread pretty much anything that talks about running at your opponent at full speed and how the sharingan allows you to dodge and counter due to precog while no sharingan makes it hard to react. 3 T Sasuke is not even on Eiʻs speed tier, he just has reactions on a totally different level than Ei.

Also, KCM Naruto dodged and could easily perceive Eiʻs fastest punch. Sasuke canʻt even keep track of V2 Eiʻs movements with his MS. So like usually, debate honestly.
@ Bold that's not really true Sasuke used his MS precog to dodge it Same with Naruto who used his sensing to dodge it and both was nearly or somewhat at the last moment I don't see how it was easier than how Sasuke did it

@ Vote fight I don't think Sasuke used his speed that he used vs Gaara( i could be wrong) considering that was Sasuke's focal point throughout the chuunin exams Sasuke could still dodge but he couldn't react much like he use to till he got 3 tomoe.
 
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