So it still makes sense for you that 3 fodder Jonin are capable of learning FTG?
Now you're not getting my point. No, they're not fodder, but they're not form the elite group. Yes, 3 of them were needed to perform FTG ONCE with prep. Why are you putting this feat so high?
They didn't even show to be prepared to use it battle wise. They had all the time of the world to do it
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The two ninjas we're talking about are not even able to do that by themselves, they need a 3rd jonnin.
Even if it takes 3 people, C'mon now. So, Shikamaru is fodder now too? You're attempting to downplay everything. Just going by the bodyguards at the Kage summit, none of them are fodders, but rather strong Jonin class ninja.
It's not JUST the fact that it takes 3 people (which downgrades the feat a lot). It's the fact that it was not used on an impressive way.
No, Shikamaru is not fodder. But is he very strong battle wise? I don't think he's an "elite" on that part. He sure is an elite as a leader and as a brain. The rest of them are pretty strong too, but for example, Chojuro, who is a Kage guard too, was shitting his pants on the sole idea of facing sasuke, since he was the one who eliminated Zabuza (supposedly), so there you have a guard that is below Zabuza level. And i'm not saying guards= fodders, idk how you got to that conclusion, i'm saying it doesn't make him an elite shinobi.
He has a 27 score stat. He's definitely not a Jonnin from the elite.
Speed blitzing for a quick kill would mean he's blood lusted. Read my post again.
Not necesarely (if you quote back teach me how to write that word lol). The OP says that the matchup involves knowledge. Zabuza doesn't need to be bloodlusted to decide to live. If he lets Choji eat the pill, he's on big trouble.
Also, i disagree on Zabuza not dodging Part 1 Cerberus. First of all, Sakon and Ukon kept dodging it until they stepped on saliva so they slipped and Kiba could get them. And Zabuza is a lot faster than them. Second of all, part 1 Cerberus needs to pee on target... not happening with knowledge, or even without knowledge.. With knowledge, and i think just with his experience, he can deduce that Cerberus is dangerous even for a close dodge, and he has the speed to dodge it comfortably.
Also, Neji and Kiba being able to track him down doesn't help if they can't do jack shit to him. Zabuza is not getting pissed, and he is for sure dodging all of Neji's attacks. He can keep his distance and attack with water bortex for example. The only one safe from that is Neji with rotation, but the rest are forced to dodge an leave an oppening.
