Sasuke>Naruto - Sasuke's feats in chapter 37 & 38

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As black pointed out the scientists got through, you made a good point to but if that was the case in you scenario then that would mean the scientists are faster then jigen. They were farther back when the portal was opened and closed but some how they made it through, well jigen was right next to sasuke when he opened in closed it
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Please tell me in what area did sasuke do better then naruto? They both hit him like one or two times, and it was when he was distracted. Nobody could touch him face to face, and if this was a one on one sasuke wouldn’t of even had the time he had to learn his ability since naruto was the one holding him off while he watched.

Soon as he shot the rods in the Avatar he jumped right through it was even the next page, how can you tell he was pinned down or couldn’t move
The scientists making it through Sasuke’s portal was simply a plot device which should never be used in a discussion because it defies all logic. Remember that Sasuke, Boruto and the Kage all exited the portal falling from the sky. We didn’t see anyone falling behind them in the anime nor movie, plus the scientists would’ve died from that height. All they were equipped with were the shinobi outfits, a camera and the ninja tool.
 
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Tbh, Sasuke’s portal still being there after Jigen failed to kill Sasuke was an art choice.

Ikemoto couldn’t make Sasuke just not be present in the panel that followed because it would’ve looked like he could use Ameno to teleport to other worlds. In actuality Sasuke’s portal had already completely closed.

In addition to that, the portal still being visible was yet another testament to Jigen’s speed, his speed was being emphasized throughout these last three chapters and was made to convey that Sasuke just barely escaped with his life. It was also a testament to Sasuke’s warping speed though.
I’ll have to agree with you there.
 
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The scientists making it through Sasuke’s portal was simply a plot device which should never be used in a discussion because it defies all logic. Remember that Sasuke, Boruto and the Kage all exited the portal falling from the sky. We didn’t see anyone falling behind them in the anime nor movie, plus the scientists would’ve died from that height. All they were equipped with were the shinobi outfits, a camera and the ninja tool.
I agree, feel like ikemoto be stabbing his self in the foot sometimes. He’ll do something then a couple chapters late forget and also expect us to forget and it don’t work like that lol
 
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Not that i bothered reading, but given his track record he probably rambled on about his fanfic interpretations of events. Buttom line, unlike Sasuke, Madara died a failure in many regards (clan, village, & world hated him. His ultimate plan was someone elses who used him as a pawn then killed him off after decades of working to achieve it).
Its easy to look at just one side without seeing other. If we really want to talk about failures then we don´t need to look further than Sasuke who is the biggest failure in manga and pales in comparison to Madara .

1. Sasuke failed in his every life goal, failed to kill Itachi , failed to capture killer Bee , failed to become hokage as he once wished, failed to bring revolution to shinobi world , failed to defeat Naruto, failed to protect Konoha from Otsutuski invasion despite doing that mission for almost 10 years, failed as decent Konoha ninja/citizen by becoming wanted criminal / rogue ninja.

No need to mention he failed as decent husband and father , those 2 put Sasuke at the top of failure characters of Naruto manga

2. Speaking of penetration Sasuke got penetrated by 4 different people (Haku, Kabuto, Madara, Danzo) being worse than Madara even in this category.

3. In his entire life Madara only lost to one character that is Hashirama ,while he defeated all other his opponents including Naruto and Sasuke which he killed.

Sasuke on the other hand has many lost that is hard to keep track of all of them.

4. Madara never had someone to actually save him/his life in battle, every battle he fought he fought and won alone without outside help.

Sasuke on the other hand had to be saved dozen times,by Naruto, Sakura, Obito,Kakashi, Itachi,Minato,Gaara,Tobi, Karin, Kabuto, Chojuro , . . .

5. While both rely on other people power Madara actaully had to work hard on his own for that power (Hashirama dna, Rinnegan) it didn't come to him completely free like in Sasuke case (free Hashi dna from Kabuto , free Rinnegan from Hagoromo, free yin seal from Hagoromo, free power from Orochimaru)

6. In the end despite having 20 time less "screentime" than Sasuke , Madara and his actions (irrelevant bad or good) had bigger impact than everything Sasuke did . Founding Konoha, leading Uchiha clan in war era, Kyuubi attack on village, starting 4 shinobi war, enslaving entire world in genjutsu, returning back Kaguya.

Madara left bigger mark on Naruto universe history than Sasuke ever did.

Also just another fact is that Black Zetsu in no way controlled Madara,he just fooled him by changing writings on Uchiha tablet. It was Madara´s own option to choose will he or not try to start Infinite Tsukuyomi. Everything later was Madara´s own plan and actions on how to bring Infinte Tsukuyomi. Black zetsu only fooled Madara ,he was acting as his will,he never gave Madara any order, advice , help on realising his plan, everything was Madaras own doing so in no way he was a puppet.
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Say what you want but this is FACTS
Those are facts too
 
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Its easy to look at just one side without seeing other. If we really want to talk about failures then we don´t need to look further than Sasuke who is the biggest failure in manga and pales in comparison to Madara.
You're delusional. 😆

1. Sasuke failed in his every life goal, failed to kill Itachi , failed to capture killer Bee,
His goal was to avenge his clan's deaths - Danzo is dead. And afterward to protect from the shadows. Which he is succeeding in.

failed to become hokage as he once wished,
Hokage literally means "Fire Shadow". Sasuke is protecting from the shadows like a true shinobi, is called the other Hokage & the Finest Shinobi by Naruto, and is hailed worldwide as the Sasaukage - Supporting Shadow. Need i post the panels?

failed to bring revolution to shinobi world ,
Neither this nor capturing Bee was a life's goal. It was a step in achieving his goals. He didn't need to capture Bee for the Biju because he was able to achieve revenge without it. He didn't need to revolutionize the Shinobi world because peace was able to be achieved & maintained without it.

failed to defeat Naruto,
Defeated Naruto three times.

failed to protect Konoha from Otsutuski invasion despite doing that mission for almost 10 years,
You say that as if Konoha is destroyed with everyone dead. Momo and Kin were defeated. The most damage they caused was a destroyed staduim with no casualities.

failed as decent Konoha ninja/citizen by becoming wanted criminal / rogue ninja.
I didn't know his goal was to live as a decent ninja/citizen. 😆 Made a shitty fanfic out of desperation.

No need to mention he failed as decent husband and father , those 2 put Sasuke at the top of failure characters of Naruto manga
LOL Shinobi families shouldn't be judged on normal standards. And ironically the second Sasuke Shinden novel and Sasuke Retsudan novel greatly develop Sasuke in both aspects. In general Sasuke is more/better developed than Madara.

2. Speaking of penetration Sasuke got penetrated by 4 different people (Haku, Kabuto, Madara, Danzo) being worse than Madara even in this category.
When did Kabuto penetrate him? And with the massive amount of offscreen fights Madara has, like a true slut, we don't know how much he's been penetrated.

3. In his entire life Madara only lost to one character that is Hashirama ,while he defeated all other his opponents including Naruto and Sasuke which he killed.
When was it stated that he never lost? Nonetheless, aside from Hashirama, Black Zetsu/Kaguya bodied him.

Sasuke on the other hand has many lost that is hard to keep track of all of them.
Madara has the biggest L in the series. Atleast Orochimaru was used as a pawn for 3 years before getting bodied. Madara was for several decades.

4. Madara never had someone to actually save him/his life in battle, every battle he fought he fought and won alone without outside help.
When was this stated?

Sasuke on the other hand had to be saved dozen times,by Naruto, Sakura, Obito,Kakashi, Itachi,Minato,Gaara,Tobi, Karin, Kabuto, Chojuro , . . .
Funny how you included Chojuro as if Sasuke literally doesn't have an ability to teleport, which he has already used to easily evade Kinshiki. 😆 Said ability tagged Madara a couple times.

5. While both rely on other people power Madara actaully had to work hard on his own for that power (Hashirama dna, Rinnegan) it didn't come to him completely free like in Sasuke case (free Hashi dna from Kabuto , free Rinnegan from Hagoromo, free yin seal from Hagoromo, free power from Orochimaru)
He never recieved free power. His greatness earned Orochimaru, Kabuto, and Hagoromo's likeliness.


6. In the end despite having 20 time less "screentime" than Sasuke , Madara and his actions (irrelevant bad or good) had bigger impact than everything Sasuke did . Founding Konoha, leading Uchiha clan in war era, Kyuubi attack on village, starting 4 shinobi war, enslaving entire world in genjutsu, returning back Kaguya.

Madara left bigger mark on Naruto universe history than Sasuke ever did.
Yes, Madara did have an advantage of being born earlier. Still doesn't change how Sasuke's legacy is better.

Also just another fact is that Black Zetsu in no way controlled Madara,he just fooled him by changing writings on Uchiha tablet. It was Madara´s own option to choose will he or not try to start Infinite Tsukuyomi. Everything later was Madara´s own plan and actions on how to bring Infinte Tsukuyomi. Black zetsu only fooled Madara ,he was acting as his will,he never gave Madara any order, advice , help on realising his plan, everything was Madaras own doing so in no way he was a puppet.
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Those are facts too
He was still used as a pawn unbeknownst to himself. Take Sasuke and Orochimaru for example. They were both knowingly, trying to use each other yet only Sasuke succeeded.
 
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His goal was to avenge his clan's deaths - Danzo is dead. And afterward to protect from the shadows. Which he is succeeding in.
Due to lack of real information his goal was to kill Itachi , and he failed.


Hokage literally means "Fire Shadow". Sasuke is protecting from the shadows like a true shinobi, is called the other Hokage & the Finest Shinobi by Naruto, and is hailed worldwide as the Sasaukage - Supporting Shadow. Need i post the panels?
Irrelevant excuses , Sasuke wanted official Hokage title and he failed

Neither this nor capturing Bee was a life's goal. It was a step in achieving his goals. He didn't need to capture Bee for the Biju because he was able to achieve revenge without it. He didn't need to revolutionize the Shinobi world because peace was able to be achieved & maintained without it.
Never said it was his life goal just another of his failures

Defeated Naruto three times.
Lost in the end when in mattered the most. History is written by winners , if Sasuke won shinobi world would be different and according to Sasuke´s own vision.He failed so its Narutos way now.

You say that as if Konoha is destroyed with everyone dead. Momo and Kin were defeated. The most damage they caused was a destroyed staduim with no casualities.
His mission would be to prevent event that from happening but he run from Kinshiki and let otsustsuki invade Konoha, again he failed in his mission

I didn't know his goal was to live as a decent ninja/citizen. 😆
Never said so just another one of his failures

LOL Shinobi families shouldn't be judged on normal standards.
Of course they should , ot by some retarded standards only fanboys can think of.



When was it stated that he never lost? Nonetheless, aside from Hashirama, Black Zetsu/Kaguya
bodied him.
Shown in manga in battles we saw. Way less lost than Sasuke which makes Sasuke way bigger failure

Madara has the biggest L in the series.
Sasuke is one of 2 main characters his lost against Naruto the biggest Lost in manga.

When was this stated?
Shown in actual manga

Funny how you included Chojuro as if Sasuke literally doesn't have an ability to teleport, which he has already used to easily evade Kinshiki. 😆 Said ability tagged Madara a couple times.
Irrelevant
He never recieved free power. His greatness earned Orochimaru, Kabuto, and Hagoromo's likeliness.
Butthurt excuse
 

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Not true, the chapter showed just how frail sauce was and wounds that Naruto can shrug off can totally stop sauce. Without sweet susans defenses sauce is helpless
 
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