Sasuke & Naruto fans ignore chapters to validate MS>SM & SM>MS when they tie?

[To Whatever]

Re: Sasuke & Naruto fans ignore chapters to validate MS>SM & SM>MS when they tie?

So basically you confirmed kCM naruto = MS sasuke >blind ms sasuke>=Sagemode naruto. lol

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No, it's confirmed that they kill each other at all points past the pain arc.


Why are Sasuke fans the only ones trying to spin this as me attacking Sasuke or making him seem inferior to someone he's been on par with for the longest?

KCM Naruto isnt even around the time MS Sasuke was being used.

Blind Ms Sasuke is stupid seeing how he wouldn't have MS anymore seeing how he's blind.

Sage Mode Naruto is incredibly broad as his War Arc feats and Pain Arc feats jump in proficiency and skill.

 

[KidGamer65]

Re: Sasuke & Naruto fans ignore chapters to validate MS>SM & SM>MS when they tie?

So you're fabricating a non-canon Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke in your VS Naruto in your matchup?


A Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke with the following:

- Full 100% Vision
- Full MS use as a result
- His peak Susanoo variant (which would be feat-less as he showed a full 4 seconds of. Not counting future chapters of course)
- Amaterasu control

Versus the Manga canon, Sage Mode Naruto Uzumaki?

We are ranking power. Stop talking about match ups. Match ups and ranking power are not mutually exclusive. :lol At that point in time Sasuke possessed more power than Naruto. That is the point people try to make when these discussions are had.

With default conditions obviously Sasuke can't be given full vision unless someone says otherwise in a MATCH UP, but if vision, unrelated to how much power one possesses, is the only thing that lets you say "SM=MS" then your argument of them being equals fails right there as all that proves is that a gimped Sasuke is on par w/ a full power Naruto. When talking about who has the most power you've already made it clear who does and it's not Naruto. That is the point I'm making and I don't care about anything else.

 

[To Whatever]

Re: Sasuke & Naruto fans ignore chapters to validate MS>SM & SM>MS when they tie?

We are ranking power. Stop talking about match ups. Match ups and ranking power are not mutually exclusive. :lol At that point in time Sasuke possessed more power than Naruto. That is the point people try to make when these discussions are had.

With default conditions obviously Sasuke can't be given full vision unless someone says otherwise in a MATCH UP, but if vision, unrelated to how much power one possesses, is the only thing that lets you say "SM=MS" then your argument of them being equals fails right there as all that proves is that a gimped Sasuke is on par w/ a full power Naruto. When talking about who has the most power you've already made it clear who does and it's not Naruto. That is the point I'm making and I don't care about anything else.

So you're ranking the power and giving him feats based off this criteria:

A Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke with the following:

- Full 100% Vision
- Full MS use as a result
- His peak Susanoo variant (which would be feat-less as he showed a full 4 seconds of. Not counting future chapters of course)
- Amaterasu control


I would definitely put this version of Sasuke (one that doesn't exist) above TSM Naruto at the time. Given his specs he has no drawbacks or shortcomings whatsoever. He might as well have EMS at that point. and EMS is above regular TSM.



I never said MS Sasuke and SM Naruto were equal.


I guess you're right. A Sasuke never seen in the manga, "Peak MS" gets full benefits and no drawbacks.

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Meanwhile Naruto cant get Ma & Pa to sustain his SM despite his reserves because Kurama being a butthole and he fighting against that.

 

[KidGamer65]

Re: Sasuke & Naruto fans ignore chapters to validate MS>SM & SM>MS when they tie?

And I would STILL argue that Danzo fight Sasuke defeats any version of SM Naruto without going beyond a regular high difficulty. Pain Arc is a mid-high diff win even if you want to say V4 Susanoo isn't allowed.

So you're ranking the power and giving him feats based off this criteria:

A Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke with the following:

- Full 100% Vision
- Full MS use as a result
- His peak Susanoo variant (which would be feat-less as he showed a full 4 seconds of. Not counting future chapters of course)
- Amaterasu control

I never said MS Sasuke and SM Naruto were equal.

Then stop saying "if they fight, they die". That can only occur if they are equal nor is it relevant to us talking about who is stronger. The rest has been answered. Read it over and over and over until you get it because I am not fond of repeating myself.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Re: Sasuke & Naruto fans ignore chapters to validate MS>SM & SM>MS when they tie?

Sm nardo is at best equal to b fight ms sasuke, kage summit ms sauce takes him

 

[KidGamer65]

Re: Sasuke & Naruto fans ignore chapters to validate MS>SM & SM>MS when they tie?

I would definitely put this version of Sasuke (one that doesn't exist) above TSM Naruto at the time. Given his specs he has no drawbacks or shortcomings whatsoever. He might as well have EMS at that point. and EMS is above regular TSM.



I never said MS Sasuke and SM Naruto were equal.


I guess you're right. A Sasuke never seen in the manga, "Peak MS" gets full benefits and no drawbacks.

Meanwhile Naruto cant get Ma & Pa to sustain his SM despite his reserves because Kurama being a butthole and he fighting against that.

Then it's settled. MS>Sage Mode as Naruto needs factors outside of power to even be put in this discussion. Though the bold makes zero sense. Him being able to see doesn't change the fact that MS strains him while it doesn't strain him at all when he uses EMS, then we have the fact that EMS grants:

-PS
-Full Bodied Susanoo.
-Better control of MS techs.
-Better precognition.
-MS techs barely use any stamina in comparison to before.

Meanwhile the only thing that changes here is that Sasuke can actually see. :lol

And yes, give him Ma and Pa. Doesn't change a thing in terms of who's stronger or what the outcome is.

 

[Mori Jin]

Re: Sasuke & Naruto fans ignore chapters to validate MS>SM & SM>MS when they tie?

SM Naruto is still more powerful then MS Sasuke. Seeing as a Naruto shadow clone beat the 3rd Raikage and MS Sasuke hasn't beaten anyone as powerful as that at that time.

 

[To Whatever]

Re: Sasuke & Naruto fans ignore chapters to validate MS>SM & SM>MS when they tie?

And I would STILL argue that Danzo fight Sasuke defeats any version of SM Naruto without going beyond a regular high difficulty. Pain Arc is a mid-high diff win even if you want to say V4 Susanoo isn't allowed.



Then stop saying "if they fight, they die". That can only occur if they are equal nor is it relevant to us talking about who is stronger. The rest has been answered. Read it over and over and over until you get it because I am not fond of repeating myself.

I would rather you argue Danzo than force me to believe that a fictional version of Sasuke you dubbed "Peak MS" that lasted all of 4 seconds ends Naruto. At the very least the one against Danzo has feats, shortcomings and limitations.

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You're dumb if you think Equal means they fight they die. If you're on par with someone it can go both ways. Given their link to fate it doesn't go "both ways" they kill each other. If you're trying to rank power or VS or whatever and you use a fabricated version to justify your reasoning.

You're wrong.


Thats like me saying "Peak TSM" Naruto right here:

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When moments later Kurama hit Fukasaku with that:

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[To Whatever]

Re: Sasuke & Naruto fans ignore chapters to validate MS>SM & SM>MS when they tie?

Then it's settled. MS>Sage Mode as Naruto needs factors outside of power to even be put in this discussion. Though the bold makes zero sense. Him being able to see doesn't change the fact that MS strains him while it doesn't strain him at all when he uses EMS, then we have the fact that EMS grants:

-PS
-Full Bodied Susanoo.
-Better control of MS techs.
-Better precognition.
-MS techs barely use any stamina in comparison to before.

Meanwhile the only thing that changes here is that Sasuke can actually see. :lol

And yes, give him Ma and Pa. Doesn't change a thing in terms of who's stronger or what the outcome is.

The only version of MS>SM that is possible is your false one.


Otherwise they're on par according to the manga,feats, their fates and Naruto and Sasuke's testimony.

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Figured Sasuke fans would be the only ones upset about this. Even though Naruto fans dont get a W out of this either.

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[To Whatever]

Re: Sasuke & Naruto fans ignore chapters to validate MS>SM & SM>MS when they tie?

I got work in the morning and im over here debating old ass common knowledge.

im going to sleep.

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KG if you wanna use that version of MS to play pretend go ahead, breh.

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[salamander uchiha]

Re: Sasuke & Naruto fans ignore chapters to validate MS>SM & SM>MS when they tie?

The problem you have is Naruto saying we'd both die was referring to him facing 3 Tomeo Sasuke. SoNaruro is acknowledging by his belief he's still facing 3 Tomeo Sasuke and they'd both die.
So therefore MS Sasuke solo's low difficulty and I'm not a Sasuke fan.
Ps. Sasuke saying I want to crush Naruto with my full power doesn't j anyway mean he can't do it currently all that means is maximum humiliation.

 

[KidGamer65]

Re: Sasuke & Naruto fans ignore chapters to validate MS>SM & SM>MS when they tie?

I would rather you argue Danzo than force me to believe that a fictional version of Sasuke you dubbed "Peak MS" that lasted all of 4 seconds ends Naruto. At the very least the one against Danzo has feats, shortcomings and limitations.

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You're dumb if you think Equal means they fight they die. If you're on par with someone it can go both ways. Given their link to fate it doesn't go "both ways" they kill each other. If you're trying to rank power or VS or whatever and you use a fabricated version to justify your reasoning.

You're wrong.


Thats like me saying "Peak TSM" Naruto right here:

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When moments later Kurama hit Fukasaku with that:

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The only version of MS>SM that is possible is your false one.


Otherwise they're on par according to the manga,feats, their fates and Naruto and Sasuke's testimony.

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Figured Sasuke fans would be the only ones upset about this. Even though Naruto fans dont get a W out of this either.

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This magical link to fate doesn't exist. It's you failing to properly comprehend a kid's Manga. Their fate was never to die so idk why I even entertained that notion this long. Naruto stated that they would die if they fought. That has nothing to do w/ the predestined fate of the reincarnates. Their predestined fate is to fight each other like all transmigrants have done in the past, nothing more, nothing less. Hashirama and Madara were also transmigrants and they both fought to the death, and Hashirama killed him. Naruto saying they'd both die if they fought is his own conscious decision to make the fight go down that way.

Me disagreeing with you doesn't make me upset, it means I think you are wrong. Nothing more, nothing less. Anyway I've addressed every other word of this as this is you rehashing what you've already stated. If you want to talk about match ups go ahead, but don't jump in a discussion about who's stronger using irrelevant Manga match up logic. I'll be back when/if you decide to post something that wasn't addressed already, though considering who I'm talking to I don't expect that to happen anytime soon.

MS Sasuke>SM Naruto.
Danzo fight MS Sasuke is also > SM Naruto.

 

[To Whatever]

Re: Sasuke & Naruto fans ignore chapters to validate MS>SM & SM>MS when they tie?

This magical link to fate doesn't exist. It's you failing to properly comprehend a kid's Manga. Their fate was never to die so idk why I even entertained that notion this long. Naruto stated that they would die if they fought. That has nothing to do w/ the predestined fate of the reincarnates. Their predestined fate is to fight each other like all transmigrants have done in the past, nothing more, nothing less. Hashirama and Madara were also transmigrants and they both fought to the death, and Hashirama killed him. Naruto saying they'd both die if they fought is his own conscious decision to make the fight go down that way.

Me disagreeing with you doesn't make me upset, it means I think you are wrong. Nothing more, nothing less. Anyway I've addressed every other word of this as this is you rehashing what you've already stated. If you want to talk about match ups go ahead, but don't jump in a discussion about who's stronger using irrelevant Manga match up logic. I'll be back when/if you decide to post something that wasn't addressed already, though considering who I'm talking to I don't expect that to happen anytime soon.

MS Sasuke>SM Naruto.
Danzo fight MS Sasuke is also > SM Naruto.

Your ms sasuke doesnt exist. but it is stronger than SM Naruto if it makes you feel any better.

also, ms against danzo isnt > SM Naruto.

Stop it. I got work my dude.

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Go play the pretend game with your "Peak MS" in that 18+ thread SenseiSama made.

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NDS ****ery made me miss 3 text and a phone call from a side piece on top of sleep for work. Shoulda known not to reason with KG and his spin2win logic.

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Nikkas from reddit and NF aren't like dis. Sasuke fans militant.

 

[Amenotejikara]

Re: Sasuke & Naruto fans ignore chapters to validate MS>SM & SM>MS when they tie?

SM Naruto is still more powerful then MS Sasuke. Seeing as a Naruto shadow clone beat the 3rd Raikage and MS Sasuke hasn't beaten anyone as powerful as that with his MS

Lmao seriously hope you're smoking weed right now. Not only is Sagemode naruto inferior to a much slower raikage than the one sasuke fought but he couldn't even do it with his own power, he had to use raikage's technique against himself. essentially plot device to give naruto the win that sasuke could've easily replicated himself if not easier since he has susanoo to grab him with.

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No, it's confirmed that they kill each other at all points past the pain arc.


Why are Sasuke fans the only ones trying to spin this as me attacking Sasuke or making him seem inferior to someone he's been on par with for the longest?

KCM Naruto isnt even around the time MS Sasuke was being used.

Blind Ms Sasuke is stupid seeing how he wouldn't have MS anymore seeing how he's blind.

Sage Mode Naruto is incredibly broad as his War Arc feats and Pain Arc feats jump in proficiency and skill.

Except that panel isn't after pain arc, it's after the gokage summit arc when sasuke was already fatigue and vision blurred. So again, all you did was confirmed that naruto could only be on par with that weakened sasuke.

on par with for the longest? lmao you're joking right? Wasn't until chapter 431 that it took naruto just enough power to outclass hebi sasuke and somehow you believe this sagemode is enough to contend with mangekyou sharingan that's basically 4x the power of hebi sasuke. lol be serious here. The moment sasuke got his susano bow he eclipse any sagemode naruto (obviously not adulthood ofc)

 

[Disaster]

Re: Sasuke & Naruto fans ignore chapters to validate MS>SM & SM>MS when they tie?

I wonder why didn't they kill each other during vote1

 

[UnknownJin]

Re: Sasuke & Naruto fans ignore chapters to validate MS>SM & SM>MS when they tie?

Sasuke solos

 

[Nick01]

Re: Sasuke & Naruto fans ignore chapters to validate MS>SM & SM>MS when they tie?

A peaked MS Sasuke is no match for a peaked SM Naruto.

How people even believe the opposite is beyond me. :lol

Sasuke would lose. Only with EMS could Sasuke take down SM Naruto.

 

[Mori Jin]

Re: Sasuke & Naruto fans ignore chapters to validate MS>SM & SM>MS when they tie?

Lmao seriously hope you're smoking weed right now. Not only is Sagemode naruto inferior to a much slower raikage than the one sasuke fought but he couldn't even do it with his own power, he had to use raikage's technique against himself. essentially plot device to give naruto the win that sasuke could've easily replicated himself if not easier since he has susanoo to grab him with.



Except that panel isn't after pain arc, it's after the gokage summit arc when sasuke was already fatigue and vision blurred. So again, all you did was confirmed that naruto could only be on par with that weakened sasuke.

on par with for the longest? lmao you're joking right? Wasn't until chapter 431 that it took naruto just enough power to outclass hebi sasuke and somehow you believe this sagemode is enough to contend with mangekyou sharingan that's basically 4x the power of hebi sasuke. lol be serious here. The moment sasuke got his susano bow he eclipse any sagemode naruto (obviously not adulthood ofc)

Did he or do he not beat the 3rd Raikage with a shadow clone?

 

[Detonator99]

Re: Sasuke & Naruto fans ignore chapters to validate MS>SM & SM>MS when they tie?

As much i wanted to agree with you... Naruto still rekts!

Seriously, the only way those fans try to prove that sasuke is superior to SM its by implementing his EMS feats for MS, other then that he loses badly.

 

[Amenotejikara]

Re: Sasuke & Naruto fans ignore chapters to validate MS>SM & SM>MS when they tie?

Did he or do he not beat the 3rd Raikage with a shadow clone?

yes he found his weakpoint