Sasuke misconception

[BLAZE]

I agree generally except the Tsukuyomi part though. Obito's words to Sasuke already shows that Itachi let Sasuke break it.

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False, all Obito stated was that had Itachi been serious he wouldn't have lost to Sasuke (

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). That statement is too generalized for you to make specific assumptions on.

Sasuke broke Tsukuyomi by himself by boosting his chakra with the Curse Seal (

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). Itachi himself was surprised as to what was going on (

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), and that he actually broke his Tsukuyomi (

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No :|

 

[maniaoqan]

False, all Obito stated was that had Itachi been serious he wouldn't have lost to Sasuke (

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Thats not all Obito said.

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He says Itachi planned the entire fight, every single detail. Eye stealing act was nothing more than an act.

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Your eyes didn't see through Itachi one bit.

Sasuke broke Tsukuyomi by himself by boosting his chakra with the Curse Seal (

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). Itachi himself was surprised as to what was going on (

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), and that he actually broke his Tsukuyomi (

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Yes Sasuke break it with Curse Seal. His attempt was succesful only because Itachi allowed it.

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Itachi also had this 'rape' face. His suprise was nothing but an act to avoid making Sasuke suspicious.

 

[Ambivalence]

No :|

What do you mean, ''no''? You're arguing for the same thing I'm arguing. It was a combination of his Sharingan mastery and boost by CS2.

Thats not all Obito said.

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He says Itachi planned the entire fight, every single detail. Eye stealing act was nothing more than an act.

Again, how does this prove Itachi let Sasuke break it? In the same scan Obito also says that Itachi had to push Sasuke to the limit in order to bring out Orochimaru, which is not done by babysitting him. You're clearly overestimating just how much Itachi held back.

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Itachi also had this 'rape' face. His suprise was nothing but an act to avoid making Sasuke suspicious.

This happened before the Tsukuyomi, so there's no point in bringing it up. I'm fully aware it was all an act, that doesn't mean he intentionally failed every jutsu he threw at Sasuke.

Furthermore, Itachi himself says this: (

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), and the databook entry on Tsukuyomi supports it - only someone with the same blood as Itachi can break Tsukuyomi. Sasuke meets that exact criteria. Lastly, there's Zetsu's statement (

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Unless Itachi himself admitted he let Sasuke break it, there's no way of you knowing this for sure.

Even Naruto's wikia supports it: "

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[BLAZE]

What do you mean, ''no''? You're arguing for the same thing I'm arguing. It was a combination of his Sharingan mastery and boost by CS2.

Does not say Curse mode has anything to do with
clearly states "Masterfull use of sharingan"

 

[Rikodou Mode]

Thats not all Obito said.

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He says Itachi planned the entire fight, every single detail. Eye stealing act was nothing more than an act.

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Your eyes didn't see through Itachi one bit.



Yes Sasuke break it with Curse Seal. His attempt was succesful only because Itachi allowed it.

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Itachi also had this 'rape' face. His suprise was nothing but an act to avoid making Sasuke suspicious.

Imo the only thing Itachi planned was to give Sasuke full information on the Mangekyo including EMS because he knew Sasuke would eventually gains MS and use his eyes.

And there's no such thing as "allowing", Itachi was on the floor holding his eye in pain because Sasuke pushed Tsukuyomi to its limits and broke it.

 

[Ambivalence]

Does not say Curse mode has anything to do with
clearly states "Masterfull use of sharingan"

It looks to me like he activated CS2 for a purpose, just before Itachi's Tsukuyomi would've ended him, but fine - there's no point in arguing for the same thing. U_U

He didn't expect Sasuke to break Tsukuyomi.

Precisely.

 

[shelke]

False, all Obito stated was that had Itachi been serious he wouldn't have lost to Sasuke (

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). That statement is too generalized for you to make specific assumptions on.

Sasuke broke Tsukuyomi by himself by boosting his chakra with the Curse Seal (

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) (

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). Itachi himself was surprised as to what was going on (

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), and that he actually broke his Tsukuyomi (

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).

That CS boost happened in Genjutsu. If you look at the image where Sasuke stood up after Tsukoyomi, then both of them never moved. But yes, he did break it himself. He was meant to from the start anyway.

Thats not all Obito said.

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He says Itachi planned the entire fight, every single detail. Eye stealing act was nothing more than an act.

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Your eyes didn't see through Itachi one bit.



Yes Sasuke break it with Curse Seal. His attempt was succesful only because Itachi allowed it.

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Itachi also had this 'rape' face. His suprise was nothing but an act to avoid making Sasuke suspicious.

Nope. No where in the images is it even remotely implied that Itachi let him break it. That CS stuff happened in Genjutsu. The kick, the stranglehold, the CS ... none of that happened in the real world.

 

[Styles]

I agree with almost all of it, except for the part about Itachi only being low kage and MS Sasuke
surpassing Itachi on unlocking MS. MS Itachi never would've been wrecked that hard by Bee
in the same circumstances Sasuke was.

Sasuke only really surpassed Itachi when he got EMS. Some people say post-Danzo fight Sasuke is stronger
but that's only if Sasuke had his vision restored. Nearly blind, he still would lose to Itachi in that state.

Sasuke was heavily weakened and nerfed in his fight with bee anyone would get wrecked under those circumstances.

 

[Ambivalence]

That CS boost happened in Genjutsu. If you look at the image where Sasuke stood up after Tsukoyomi, then both of them never moved.

Power amplifications still apply in genjutsu, though, provided it's Itachi's genjutsu type we're talking about. As you can see here (

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), Naruto would have actually broken Itachi's genjutsu had the latter not increased the power of the illusion himself. This scan (

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) shows that Naruto was remaining completely still throughout the whole thing, and that he was already caught in genjutsu (

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) before he made the seal with his hands and started increasing his power in the genjutsu itself.

It doesn't matter if it didn't happen in the real world, since Sasuke meant to break the genjutsu once he was already caught, anyway. However, this is really not important, since I've already proven my point to maniaoquan, so this is probably my last reply here.

 

[shelke]

Power amplifications still apply in genjutsu, though, provided it's Itachi's genjutsu type we're talking about. As you can see here (

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), Naruto would have actually broken Itachi's genjutsu had the latter not increased the power of the illusion himself. This scan (

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) shows that Naruto was remaining completely still throughout the whole thing, and that he was already caught in genjutsu (

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) before he made the seal with his hands and started increasing his power in the genjutsu itself.

It doesn't matter if it didn't happen in the real world, since Sasuke meant to break the genjutsu once he was already caught, anyway. However, this is really not important, since I've already proven my point to maniaoquan, so this is probably my last reply here.

He tried something and it obviously didn't work. But, CS boost is a completely different ball-game, as a physical metamorphosis occurs. Itachi can manipulate the Genjutsu, as he's the one applying it.

No worries. I just wanted to make a point. The databook backs up this page, as Sasuke broke it through Sharingan only.