Sasuke might be given perfected sage mode

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yeah i agree. People saying no,bs,etc. are in denial and should re-read manga. Sasuke went to sage mode training in part 1 and later with oro,to control sage chakra,curse mark. He perfectly controlled jugo's true sage chakra in susano'o.


Sasuke never went into senjutsu training. This was never stated in the manga, and you made it up. Juugo's not a true sage. He obviously can't control senjutsu chakra, so it's obvious that he's not a true sage. Again, this was never stated in the manga and is made up. As for susanoo, you don't know if that's perfectly balanced. Perfectly balanced sage chakra isn't even visible(as shown by Naruto).
 

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It's not Orochimaru's sage chakra, it's Jugo's. Orochimaru, using Jugo's chakra, bestows the Mark, this was proven in 648. Orochimaru cannot utilize Senjutsu, the cursed seal was used as a test to see if his vessels/subordinates could handle Senjutsu.

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Also, Sasuke can control Jugo's urges, and possesses what is likely the most perfect version of cursed seal transformation. With Jugo's cells in his chest, as well as Kabuto currently healing Sasuke while utilizing Sage mode, directly upon where the cells are situated, possibly infusing them with Senjutsu chakra from the Ryuchi Cave, could lead to Sasuke gaining a more perfect version of Jugo's ability, rather than the curse mark.


By the way Orochimaru's talking, that indicates that it was something that happened in an experiment. The curse seal does, in fact, contain Orochimaru's chakra. That is cannon. Kabuto even refereed to the curse mark as a pretension trick, indicating that it is ultimately inferior. Regardless, I'll demonstrate how the curse mark does not have true SM feats.


Let's compare durability feats.

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That's what brings Sasuke's curse mark durability to its limits. No let's compare that with the durability of true SM users. A 4 tailed Naruto could do this with merely a slap of the hand.

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A slap from a 4 tailed Naruto was able to make a shockwave comparable to Diedera's C2, and on top of that, it made a huge crater. Now, imagine what Naruto tanked when he was hit by Kurama, or what Madara tanked with minimal injuries.


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I think it's safe to say that curse mark is not a true sage mode, and is inferior to true sage mode.
 

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By the way Orochimaru's talking, that indicates that it was something that happened in an experiment. The curse seal does, in fact, contain Orochimaru's chakra. That is cannon. Kabuto even refereed to the curse mark as a pretension trick, indicating that it is ultimately inferior. Regardless, I'll demonstrate how the curse mark does not have true SM feats.

Let's compare durability feats.

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That's what brings Sasuke's curse mark durability to its limits. No let's compare that with the durability of true SM users. A 4 tailed Naruto could do this with merely a slap of the hand.

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A slap from a 4 tailed Naruto was able to make a shockwave comparable to Diedera's C2, and on top of that, it made a huge crater. Now, imagine what Naruto tanked when he was hit by Kurama, or what Madara tanked with minimal injuries.


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I think it's safe to say that curse mark is not a true sage mode, and is inferior to true sage mode.

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I agree with everything AlphaE20 and Robot with Human Hair have said thus far. Not to mention the fact that Madara obtained Hashirama's SM and was even underwhelmed by it despite not having anything to do with Sage Mode earlier. Sasuke is someone who's actually come into contact with senjutsu before and he's been learning more about it through Kabuto and Naruto.

He has Hashirama's DNA and chakra by now, no different from the case of Madara prior to extracting SM from Hashirama. IMO, it's more likely for Sasuke to achieve a perfect SM than to not achieve it since Madara achieved it despite the fact that he never came in to contact with Senjutsu before while Sasuke actually has and he has all the traits Madara had before.
 

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How is that even possible? I took them from the base!

I agree with everything AlphaE20 and Robot with Human Hair have said thus far. Not to mention the fact that Madara obtained Hashirama's SM and was even underwhelmed by it despite not having anything to do with Sage Mode earlier. Sasuke is someone who's actually come into contact with senjutsu before and he's been learning more about it through Kabuto and Naruto.

He has Hashirama's DNA and chakra by now, no different from the case of Madara prior to extracting SM from Hashirama. IMO, it's more likely for Sasuke to achieve a perfect SM than to not achieve it since Madara achieved it despite the fact that he never came in to contact with Senjutsu before while Sasuke actually has and he has all the traits Madara had before.


Not you too kami....... Curse mark has been labeled by Kabuto as a pretension trick. In other words, pretending to be a SM and is ultimately inferior. CM's durability feats are crap compared to SM users.
 

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Not you too kami....... Curse mark has been labeled by Kabuto as a pretension trick. In other words, pretending to be a SM and is ultimately inferior. CM's durability feats are crap compared to SM users.

Inferior but by how much? Not something that we can determine right now. Sasuke basically mastered curse mark, a form of senjutsu right? Madara has never come in to contact with senjutsu prior to absorbing it from Hashirama, at least not that I remember. Yet Madara took SM from Hashirama and was even underwhelmed by it.

Sasuke's potential exceeds Madara's we know that for a fact. Sasuke also has powerful chakra like Madara does, we know that from Kurama. To say that Sasuke can't master a perfect SM when Madara can despite the fact that Sasuke has dealt with senjutsu before while Madara hasn't sounds biased if you ask me. Let's put it like this: Madara pretty much went straight into walking before learning how to crawl. While Sasuke learned how to crawl and would be moving on to walking. Whether CM is a pretension trick or not is irrelevant here. The fact is Sasuke has already practiced using senjutsu before. Granted, SM and CM are on two different scales but I don't think it's unlikely that Sasuke can perfect SM. Especially when he himself is a genius.
 

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By the way Orochimaru's talking, that indicates that it was something that happened in an experiment. The curse seal does, in fact, contain Orochimaru's chakra. That is cannon. Kabuto even refereed to the curse mark as a pretension trick, indicating that it is ultimately inferior. Regardless, I'll demonstrate how the curse mark does not have true SM feats.


Let's compare durability feats.

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That's what brings Sasuke's curse mark durability to its limits. No let's compare that with the durability of true SM users. A 4 tailed Naruto could do this with merely a slap of the hand.

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A slap from a 4 tailed Naruto was able to make a shockwave comparable to Diedera's C2, and on top of that, it made a huge crater. Now, imagine what Naruto tanked when he was hit by Kurama, or what Madara tanked with minimal injuries.


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I think it's safe to say that curse mark is not a true sage mode, and is inferior to true sage mode.

Orochimaru is inferring his use of the cursed seal. He states that it was created using Jugo's chakra, and Karin's statement backs this further. Orochimaru is not a proper vessel for Senjutsu, cultivating his own version renders the experiment superfluous. Which is what the Cursed Seal is, an experiment.

Sasuke did not approve of Orochimaru's experiments, if he had experimented on him in another instance beside the curse mark, it wouldn't make any sense.

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It isn't, it's a variant. That said, Jugo's ability, when the chakra is properly balanced, is comparable to Sage Mode, Jugo states this aptly. Kabuto also took Jugo's ability, he trained at the Ryuchi Cave to control it, Sasuke has trained with the cursed seal for years, his control over it is noted multiple times. If, like Kabuto, he were to gain Jugo's ability wholly, he may not require training at the Cave as Kabuto did. His variant would then be on par with Kabuto's, pehaps stronger with his Heaven seal, which is still relevant as of Orochimaru's statement in 648.

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Inferior but by how much? Not something that we can determine right now. Sasuke basically mastered curse mark, a form of senjutsu right? Madara has never come in to contact with senjutsu prior to absorbing it from Hashirama, at least not that I remember. Yet Madara took SM from Hashirama and was even underwhelmed by it.

Sasuke's potential exceeds Madara's we know that for a fact. Sasuke also has powerful chakra like Madara does, we know that from Kurama. To say that Sasuke can't master a perfect SM when Madara can despite the fact that Sasuke has dealt with senjutsu before while Madara hasn't sounds biased if you ask me. Let's put it like this: Madara pretty much went straight into walking before learning how to crawl. While Sasuke learned how to crawl and would be moving on to walking. Whether CM is a pretension trick or not is irrelevant here. The fact is Sasuke has already practiced using senjutsu before. Granted, SM and CM are on two different scales but I don't think it's unlikely that Sasuke can perfect SM. Especially when he himself is a genius.

There's also a lot we don't know about Madara. Since when is their a ninjutsu to absorb amaterasu or a 9 tails cloak without rinnegan? And note where the senjutsu goes.

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It could be that he was using Hashirama's cells as a medium for his senjutsu. Madara in those chapters defied all logic.


Orochimaru is inferring his use of the cursed seal. He states that it was created using Jugo's chakra, and Karin's statement backs this further. Orochimaru is not a proper vessel for Senjutsu, cultivating his own version renders the experiment superfluous. Which is what the Cursed Seal is, an experiment.

Sasuke did not approve of Orochimaru's experiments, if he had experimented on him in another instance beside the curse mark, it wouldn't make any sense.

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It isn't, it's a variant. That said, Jugo's ability, when the chakra is properly balanced, is comparable to Sage Mode, Jugo states this aptly. Kabuto also took Jugo's ability, he trained at the Ryuchi Cave to control it, Sasuke has trained with the cursed seal for years, his control over it is noted multiple times. If, like Kabuto, he were to gain Jugo's ability wholly, he may not require training at the Cave as Kabuto did. His variant would then be on par with Kabuto's, pehaps stronger with his Heaven seal, which is still relevant as of Orochimaru's statement in 648.

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Right, but the point is, it's not properly balanced. This will be my last post for a while. I want to make my own threads with my own subjects.
 

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Sasuke is bound to obtain his own Sage Transformation.

Final Sasuke = Rinnegan + Sage Transformation
 

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Sasuke will obviously utilize Senjutsu. Only Fodderuto fapboys deny it.U_U
How else will he do damage to Madara otherwise?
 
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His Rinnegan is expected by many to be awaken;
He is given Hashirama DNA to pump up his life force and chakra;
He may be given the know-how on how to perfect the dragon sage mode;
His body is now suitable to become a Jin.

he also gains wood release
 

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All the people saying "impossible" are idiots sasuke mastered curse mark a variation of sm meaning he knows how to perfectly handle senjutsu especially since he has even MORE jugo dna in him.

there not idiots just baised kids.

there 99% of the reason why there are flame thread/trolling going on

ot- mabye not perfect sage mode, rinngen or something on that level for sure
 

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His Rinnegan is expected by many to be awaken;
He is given Hashirama DNA to pump up his life force and chakra;
He may be given the know-how on how to perfect the dragon sage mode;
His body is now suitable to become a Jin.

He was never given Hashirama's DNA, only some of his chakra, how is Sasuke going to get DNA from an Edo Tensei when there is no living tissue? The Rinnegan is a better bet since Kabuto did have Karin's DNA so Sasuke would at least have some Uzumaki DNA which is from the Senju lineage. Just being given the know-how of SM doesn't mean you can learn and master it sicne Sasuke doesn't know how to see/sense/gather natural energy, doesn't know how to balance it with his chakra perfectly (will be turn to stone if he fails if that's same for snakes way), nor does he know how to be completely still (took training for Naruto, Jiraiya and Kabuto). Doesn't matter if Karin's DNA makes him suitable to be a jin, he wouldn't be able to work with the Bijuus since he doesn't like them and they don't trust him which mean Sasuke might be taken over by the Bijuu's will or Sasuke will have to use genjutsu to control it.

All the people saying "impossible" are idiots sasuke mastered curse mark a variation of sm meaning he knows how to perfectly handle senjutsu especially since he has even MORE jugo dna in him.

Wrong, He doesn't know how to absorb it, balance it with his own chakra, be completely still while gathering the natural energy (took training for Naruto, Jiraiya, Kabuto). He uses Senjutsu as he would normal chakra but he doesn't know how to make it and if he had perfect handle of Senjutsu then why did he never shown to have sensory abilities like Naruto, Kabuto, or Madara? He was simply using it for more power/chakra without knowing what it was and Kabuto himself called the CM nothing more than a pretention trick .

Also Kabuto said Orochimaru couldn't find a body that could bare Juugo's clan ability, he couldn't replicate the ability to absorb natural energy like Juugo's clan could. Some people mistake this for SM in general but SM takes large chakra and the determination to complete the training and has nothing to do with the body because nothing special was said about Jiraiya's body, only his enormous chakra reserves. Orochimaru is also the one who would put other ppl's power into himself and Kabuto was only copying him as Itachi even stated. So for Sasuke to have Juugo's DNA means nothing since nothing special about Sasuke's body either and Orochimaru already did test Sasuke with Juugo's chakra and only said Sasuke was about to use the seal's power which Kabuto called a pretention trick. , , .

No you solod yourself with yiur terrible reading ability. Sasuke already knows HOW to handle senjutsu hes got THREE peoples cells who have sm kabuto, hashirama, AND jugo. Juugos cells automatically gather senjutsu according to kabuto this means sasuke is pretty much guarenteed a sagemode. And no curse mark is not "essentially" like the toad oil they have no similarities fool.

No he doesn't, just because he used the CM, which is lower than incomplete SM in terms of power, doesn't mean he has a good handle with senjutsu. CM is made by Orochimaru giving the person some of his senju chakra, incomplete SM is when the person absorbs a lot of natural energy but fails to perfectly balance it but they since have a lot of senjutsu made and Jiraiya was using large attacks in his mode. Sasuke doesn't have Hashirama's DNA, Hashirama is dead, not living tissues, I don't know how ppl over look that fact plus manga said he only gave Sasuke some of his chakra. Kabuto does have Karin's DNA so at most he would have Uzumaki DNA which is in senju lineage.

Sasuke had Juugo's DNA since back before Kage summit yet he never displayed any senjutsu usage or mastery or knowledge at that. If he had Juugo's ability (which Orochimaru couldn't even replicated it when he experimented) then Sasuke would had displayed it since it constantly taking in natural energy. CM are made from Juugo yet is down played compared to SM by Kabuto who have more info on both than Sasuke. Sasuke had Juugo's DNA since his cheat was blown off by Killer bee yet never shown to possess Juugo's ability so why would he now? He had the CM which was made from Juugo's enzymes which are proteins that are produced by cells then got Juugo's flesh. He was even given Senjutu from Juugo to make the Zetsu grow, it had to be given to Sasuke and Sasuke didn't show to have any after that either.

SM is something you have to train for, Kabuto stated this himself, he had Orochimaru and Juugo's DNA yet he still had to train to get SM.

sasukes always had a strongg body and decent chakra reserves he IS an uchiha prodigy afterall. You are thinking about the past to much as well sasuke has SENJU FREAKIN DNA now. Large chakra and durability will NOT be a problem and he will essentially be stronger than one eyed maddy. Not only that but he has juugo and kabuto dna who both had perfect sm and automatically gathered senjutsu. So sorry you dont need to train to get strong you just need to get strong.

Actually SM doesn't require a strong body, it requires a large chakra reserve because while you're learning to draw in and balance natural energy, if you have too little then you would be overwhelmed too fast and in the toad's case, turn into a stone toad. And before that you have to train to be completely still which is hard to do and will take time . Even Kabuto used his snake to be still for him while he fought. Naruto, who have more chakra than Sasuke began to turn into a toad the moment a small drop of oil hit his hand and you think Sasuke who has powerful chakra and not high reserves wouldn't be overwhelmed? .

Sasuke doesn't have Senju DNA, he has Uzumaki DNA at most from the Karin DNA in Kabuto, idk where you get the idea he can get DNA from a dead Hashirama who doesn't have living tissues. Hashirama said the rods where in their pressure points so they most likely can't mold chakra so was giving him the chakra he had left, nowhere does it say DNA . Kabuto has Orochimaru and Juugo's DNA yet he stated the only way was to train to get SM so you are wrong there. Also Sasuke already had Juugo's DNA yet still didn't have senjutsu not did he have any knowledge of SM or natural energy until Kabuto told him about it

By your logic, Yamato, Danzo, Madara and Obito should all be using SM on their own for having Hashirama's DNA cause Hashirama had SM. Madara had to steal it...
 

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Inferior but by how much? Not something that we can determine right now. Sasuke basically mastered curse mark, a form of senjutsu right? Madara has never come in to contact with senjutsu prior to absorbing it from Hashirama, at least not that I remember. Yet Madara took SM from Hashirama and was even underwhelmed by it.

Sasuke's potential exceeds Madara's we know that for a fact. Sasuke also has powerful chakra like Madara does, we know that from Kurama. To say that Sasuke can't master a perfect SM when Madara can despite the fact that Sasuke has dealt with senjutsu before while Madara hasn't sounds biased if you ask me. Let's put it like this: Madara pretty much went straight into walking before learning how to crawl. While Sasuke learned how to crawl and would be moving on to walking. Whether CM is a pretension trick or not is irrelevant here. The fact is Sasuke has already practiced using senjutsu before. Granted, SM and CM are on two different scales but I don't think it's unlikely that Sasuke can perfect SM. Especially when he himself is a genius.

Madara didn't master Sage Mode, he stole it form Hashirama, and just because he is a genius doesn't mean he can master Sage Mode, Minato and Orochimaru were geniuses but they didn't master Senjutsu.
 

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He was never given Hashirama's DNA, only some of his chakra, how is Sasuke going to get DNA from an Edo Tensei when there is no living tissue? The Rinnegan is a better bet since Kabuto did have Karin's DNA so Sasuke would at least have some Uzumaki DNA which is from the Senju lineage. Just being given the know-how of SM doesn't mean you can learn and master it sicne Sasuke doesn't know how to see/sense/gather natural energy, doesn't know how to balance it with his chakra perfectly (will be turn to stone if he fails if that's same for snakes way), nor does he know how to be completely still (took training for Naruto, Jiraiya and Kabuto). Doesn't matter if Karin's DNA makes him suitable to be a jin, he wouldn't be able to work with the Bijuus since he doesn't like them and they don't trust him which mean Sasuke might be taken over by the Bijuu's will or Sasuke will have to use genjutsu to control it.



Wrong, He doesn't know how to absorb it, balance it with his own chakra, be completely still while gathering the natural energy (took training for Naruto, Jiraiya, Kabuto). He uses Senjutsu as he would normal chakra but he doesn't know how to make it and if he had perfect handle of Senjutsu then why did he never shown to have sensory abilities like Naruto, Kabuto, or Madara? He was simply using it for more power/chakra without knowing what it was and Kabuto himself called the CM nothing more than a pretention trick .

Also Kabuto said Orochimaru couldn't find a body that could bare Juugo's clan ability, he couldn't replicate the ability to absorb natural energy like Juugo's clan could. Some people mistake this for SM in general but SM takes large chakra and the determination to complete the training and has nothing to do with the body because nothing special was said about Jiraiya's body, only his enormous chakra reserves. Orochimaru is also the one who would put other ppl's power into himself and Kabuto was only copying him as Itachi even stated. So for Sasuke to have Juugo's DNA means nothing since nothing special about Sasuke's body either and Orochimaru already did test Sasuke with Juugo's chakra and only said Sasuke was about to use the seal's power which Kabuto called a pretention trick. , , .



No he doesn't, just because he used the CM, which is lower than incomplete SM in terms of power, doesn't mean he has a good handle with senjutsu. CM is made by Orochimaru giving the person some of his senju chakra, incomplete SM is when the person absorbs a lot of natural energy but fails to perfectly balance it but they since have a lot of senjutsu made and Jiraiya was using large attacks in his mode. Sasuke doesn't have Hashirama's DNA, Hashirama is dead, not living tissues, I don't know how ppl over look that fact plus manga said he only gave Sasuke some of his chakra. Kabuto does have Karin's DNA so at most he would have Uzumaki DNA which is in senju lineage.

Sasuke had Juugo's DNA since back before Kage summit yet he never displayed any senjutsu usage or mastery or knowledge at that. If he had Juugo's ability (which Orochimaru couldn't even replicated it when he experimented) then Sasuke would had displayed it since it constantly taking in natural energy. CM are made from Juugo yet is down played compared to SM by Kabuto who have more info on both than Sasuke. Sasuke had Juugo's DNA since his cheat was blown off by Killer bee yet never shown to possess Juugo's ability so why would he now? He had the CM which was made from Juugo's enzymes which are proteins that are produced by cells then got Juugo's flesh. He was even given Senjutu from Juugo to make the Zetsu grow, it had to be given to Sasuke and Sasuke didn't show to have any after that either.

SM is something you have to train for, Kabuto stated this himself, he had Orochimaru and Juugo's DNA yet he still had to train to get SM.



Actually SM doesn't require a strong body, it requires a large chakra reserve because while you're learning to draw in and balance natural energy, if you have too little then you would be overwhelmed too fast and in the toad's case, turn into a stone toad. And before that you have to train to be completely still which is hard to do and will take time . Even Kabuto used his snake to be still for him while he fought. Naruto, who have more chakra than Sasuke began to turn into a toad the moment a small drop of oil hit his hand and you think Sasuke who has powerful chakra and not high reserves wouldn't be overwhelmed? .

Sasuke doesn't have Senju DNA, he has Uzumaki DNA at most from the Karin DNA in Kabuto, idk where you get the idea he can get DNA from a dead Hashirama who doesn't have living tissues. Hashirama said the rods where in their pressure points so they most likely can't mold chakra so was giving him the chakra he had left, nowhere does it say DNA . Kabuto has Orochimaru and Juugo's DNA yet he stated the only way was to train to get SM so you are wrong there. Also Sasuke already had Juugo's DNA yet still didn't have senjutsu not did he have any knowledge of SM or natural energy until Kabuto told him about it

By your logic, Yamato, Danzo, Madara and Obito should all be using SM on their own for having Hashirama's DNA cause Hashirama had SM. Madara had to steal it...

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Sasuke was made to be different from Naruto. Giving him sage mode would ruin it to tell the truth.
 

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Sasuke was made to be different from Naruto. Giving him sage mode would ruin it to tell the truth.

If he does get sage mode then naruto gets a pair of rinnegans :3
 

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He was never given Hashirama's DNA, only some of his chakra, how is Sasuke going to get DNA from an Edo Tensei when there is no living tissue? The Rinnegan is a better bet since Kabuto did have Karin's DNA so Sasuke would at least have some Uzumaki DNA which is from the Senju lineage. Just being given the know-how of SM doesn't mean you can learn and master it sicne Sasuke doesn't know how to see/sense/gather natural energy, doesn't know how to balance it with his chakra perfectly (will be turn to stone if he fails if that's same for snakes way), nor does he know how to be completely still (took training for Naruto, Jiraiya and Kabuto). Doesn't matter if Karin's DNA makes him suitable to be a jin, he wouldn't be able to work with the Bijuus since he doesn't like them and they don't trust him which mean Sasuke might be taken over by the Bijuu's will or Sasuke will have to use genjutsu to control it.



Wrong, He doesn't know how to absorb it, balance it with his own chakra, be completely still while gathering the natural energy (took training for Naruto, Jiraiya, Kabuto). He uses Senjutsu as he would normal chakra but he doesn't know how to make it and if he had perfect handle of Senjutsu then why did he never shown to have sensory abilities like Naruto, Kabuto, or Madara? He was simply using it for more power/chakra without knowing what it was and Kabuto himself called the CM nothing more than a pretention trick .

Also Kabuto said Orochimaru couldn't find a body that could bare Juugo's clan ability, he couldn't replicate the ability to absorb natural energy like Juugo's clan could. Some people mistake this for SM in general but SM takes large chakra and the determination to complete the training and has nothing to do with the body because nothing special was said about Jiraiya's body, only his enormous chakra reserves. Orochimaru is also the one who would put other ppl's power into himself and Kabuto was only copying him as Itachi even stated. So for Sasuke to have Juugo's DNA means nothing since nothing special about Sasuke's body either and Orochimaru already did test Sasuke with Juugo's chakra and only said Sasuke was about to use the seal's power which Kabuto called a pretention trick. , , .



No he doesn't, just because he used the CM, which is lower than incomplete SM in terms of power, doesn't mean he has a good handle with senjutsu. CM is made by Orochimaru giving the person some of his senju chakra, incomplete SM is when the person absorbs a lot of natural energy but fails to perfectly balance it but they since have a lot of senjutsu made and Jiraiya was using large attacks in his mode. Sasuke doesn't have Hashirama's DNA, Hashirama is dead, not living tissues, I don't know how ppl over look that fact plus manga said he only gave Sasuke some of his chakra. Kabuto does have Karin's DNA so at most he would have Uzumaki DNA which is in senju lineage.

Sasuke had Juugo's DNA since back before Kage summit yet he never displayed any senjutsu usage or mastery or knowledge at that. If he had Juugo's ability (which Orochimaru couldn't even replicated it when he experimented) then Sasuke would had displayed it since it constantly taking in natural energy. CM are made from Juugo yet is down played compared to SM by Kabuto who have more info on both than Sasuke. Sasuke had Juugo's DNA since his cheat was blown off by Killer bee yet never shown to possess Juugo's ability so why would he now? He had the CM which was made from Juugo's enzymes which are proteins that are produced by cells then got Juugo's flesh. He was even given Senjutu from Juugo to make the Zetsu grow, it had to be given to Sasuke and Sasuke didn't show to have any after that either.

SM is something you have to train for, Kabuto stated this himself, he had Orochimaru and Juugo's DNA yet he still had to train to get SM.



Actually SM doesn't require a strong body, it requires a large chakra reserve because while you're learning to draw in and balance natural energy, if you have too little then you would be overwhelmed too fast and in the toad's case, turn into a stone toad. And before that you have to train to be completely still which is hard to do and will take time . Even Kabuto used his snake to be still for him while he fought. Naruto, who have more chakra than Sasuke began to turn into a toad the moment a small drop of oil hit his hand and you think Sasuke who has powerful chakra and not high reserves wouldn't be overwhelmed? .

Sasuke doesn't have Senju DNA, he has Uzumaki DNA at most from the Karin DNA in Kabuto, idk where you get the idea he can get DNA from a dead Hashirama who doesn't have living tissues. Hashirama said the rods where in their pressure points so they most likely can't mold chakra so was giving him the chakra he had left, nowhere does it say DNA . Kabuto has Orochimaru and Juugo's DNA yet he stated the only way was to train to get SM so you are wrong there. Also Sasuke already had Juugo's DNA yet still didn't have senjutsu not did he have any knowledge of SM or natural energy until Kabuto told him about it

By your logic, Yamato, Danzo, Madara and Obito should all be using SM on their own for having Hashirama's DNA cause Hashirama had SM. Madara had to steal it...

All of this is pretty much nil when you account for the fact that the Ryuchi Cave/Kabuto/Jugo's method =/= Mt Myoboku/Naruto/Jiraiya's method.
 

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Sasuke should be able to use SM, given that the Curse Mark is basically Senjutsu, stated repeatedly throughout the manga. Sasuke has learned to control it since part one and perfected its control in part two. I don't see any reason for him to not have a Sage Mode.


Their is skill involved in utilizing the curse mark. Jugo's ability is Sage Mode, which Kabuto did take from Jugo. [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ]

The only difference between the cursed seal and Sage Transformation/Sage Mode is that it eats away at the users chakra.

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Sasuke's control over the mark, even before taking the mind awakening pill, was noted several times. Orochimaru was trembling in excitement when Sasuke showcased this control in his preliminary matchup against Yoroi.

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It was surprising that Sasuke could immediately use the cursed seals power, his ability with the mark is possibly beyond what any have done before, only Kimimaro comes close, and his transformation had more drawbacks than Sasuke's.

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Kabuto's DSM is not Jugo's ability, as he explicitly denied it in the manga, but he obtained DSM through studying Jugo - - . It has something to do with the secrecy of the location and Ryuchi Cave being the source of the ability, apparently - it's connected the the Jugo Clan. I agree with the rest.
 
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