Sasuke = MAdara even right now

[KingHashirama]

People were/are starting to say Sasuke and Naruto = Madara and Hashirama , comparison was gone when Sasuke joined the alliance.. however you are all wrong.

Sasuke is no better then Madara at this point. He helped the Akatsuki resurrect the Juubi, knowing his brother died for the village. All this is simply part of Sasuke's way of getting change that suites him.

Why did Sasuke want to burn down the Juubi? Because of Itachi's death.

Why does Madara want to control the world? Because of Izuna's death.

Sasuke is still blinded by hatred. And hence he is the Madara that Naruto will defeat.


It will be the last chapter of the Senju vs Uchiha, Hashirama vs Madara.

Anyone who believes sasuke has changed... has now been warned, so they don't get butthurt when he "turns back" to the bad side.

 

[Made in Heaven]

I came in expecting a macho thread.... What I got was even better. xd

OT: I disagree. Sasuke isn't like Madara or obito, at least not exactly. He's more like kakashi. Sasuke isn't. "blinded by hatred" as you claim because, if he was, he wouldn't have made the right drsision to join the alliance, this he isn't "blind" to what's right.

 

[frbro82]

Mr KingHashirama The Prophet

 

[riley freeman]

All ninja are evil in my opinion

 

[Microsword57]

If this was a real case in the courts you could just as easily make an argument in Sasuke's defence. I also do not remember it being stated he wants to burn the Juubi down because Itachi is dead or that Madara wants to control the world because Izuna died.

 

[KingHashirama]

I came in expecting a macho thread.... What I got was even better. xd

OT: I disagree. Sasuke isn't like Madara or obito, at least not exactly. He's more like kakashi. Sasuke isn't. "blinded by hatred" as you claim because, if he was, he wouldn't have made the right drsision to join the alliance, this he isn't "blind" to what's right.

lol.

Kakashi? Kakashi and Sasuke are nothing alike anymore. And you say he made the right decision.. by for who? for the alliance? or for his goal?

He wanted to burn down the juubi.. which disturbed not only Naruto but Hashirama as well.

On top of that even Sakura doesn't trust him. Same for Shikamaru... Same for Sai....

And Orochimaru even stated the wind for sasuke is still blowing or w.e lol.

But yea dude Sasuke is nothing like Kakashi/Obito/Itachi/ or any other uchiha besides Madara. All for his brother's death = Sasuke. All for his brother's death = Madara.

If this was a real case in the courts you could just as easily make an argument in Sasuke's defence. I also do not remember it being stated he wants to burn the Juubi down because Itachi is dead or that Madara wants to control the world because Izuna died.

highly false. I never said Izuna.. I'm talking about all of Madara's brothers.. And if your trying to make a defence for the sake of a arguement then i'm not interested. If your saying that is how you feel.. then I simply ask this, did you read Sasuke's asskissing of Itachi? or Madara's suicidal behavior of loosing the trust in his clan and the rage after his brother died? lol.

Whether you want to admit it or not. The starter for their actions is the death of their loved one.

 

[Kakashisquad]

All ninja are evil in my opinion

Thanks for saying no homo grandad

But Sasuke does have something up his sleeve

 

[riley freeman]

thanks for saying no homo grandad

but sasuke does have something up his sleeve

lol xd .

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

Yes, Sasuke is somewhat like Madara, no, Sasuke wanting to burn the Juubi is nothing like Madara's Infinite Tsukuyomi.

Sasuke wants to protect Konoha because of Itachi. He wanted to destroy Konoha because of what the village put him and his family through.

Madara wanted to protect the Uchiha because of Izuna. He wants to place the world under a massive genjutsu because of what the ninja world put him and his family through.

Notice the difference? Past and present tense.

Sasuke has changed, this is a fact.

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Is this something you could see Kage Summit Arc Sasuke saying? No, because he has changed.

 

[Microsword57]

lol.

Kakashi? Kakashi and Sasuke are nothing alike anymore. And you say he made the right decision.. by for who? for the alliance? or for his goal?

He wanted to burn down the juubi.. which disturbed not only Naruto but Hashirama as well.

On top of that even Sakura doesn't trust him. Same for Shikamaru... Same for Sai....

And Orochimaru even stated the wind for sasuke is still blowing or w.e lol.

But yea dude Sasuke is nothing like Kakashi/Obito/Itachi/ or any other uchiha besides Madara. All for his brother's death = Sasuke. All for his brother's death = Madara.


highly false. I never said Izuna.. I'm talking about all of Madara's brothers.. And if your trying to make a defence for the sake of a arguement then i'm not interested. If your saying that is how you feel.. then I simply ask this, did you read Sasuke's asskissing of Itachi? or Madara's suicidal behavior of loosing the trust in his clan and the rage after his brother died? lol.

Whether you want to admit it or not. The starter for their actions is the death of their loved one.

I did not read "Sasuke's asskising of Itachi" but I did read his love for his brother which I myself and anyone with a brother could relate too. When It comes to both Madara and Sasuke fabricating carnage over the lost of their love ones it was already addressed by the 2nd Hokage that it is a mental disorder that all Uchiha suffer from Obito included.

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[Transcendence]

You're leaving out too many variables and looking at it linearly.

Sasuke is not blinded by hatred. When he said "Burn" to the Juubi we knew his intentions were to finish the Juubi off because the Bijuu's were in it. He believes that the Bijuu's are one of the root causes of this messed up system; the same system that got his brother to kill his entire clan and revile him just to save the village, and the same system that made his best friend a Jinchuriki.

Madara is completely different. They were the ones who established he system. They wanted clans to live in unison. His brothers death came before this. It wasn't so much his brothers death, but the realization that both his clan and the village didn't support him at all; more so his clan not supporting him was the last straw and then he left (Realizing that Tobirama would oppress the Uchiha as he speculated Tobirama would be the next Hokage).

Two completely different situations bound by two different stipulations.

Also, Naruto is not a Senju for the last time. He did not descend from them at all. Distant relation implies that there is a link in the past that doesn't follow the original line of descent (Younger Son). The only other link is Rikudou.

 

[KingHashirama]

I did not read "Sasuke's asskising of Itachi" but I did read his love for his brother which I myself and anyone with a brother could relate too. When It comes to both Madara and Sasuke fabricating carnage over the lost of their love ones it was already addressed by the 2nd Hokage that it is a mental disorder that all Uchiha suffer from Obito included.

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Sorry sir, then you must be a naive one.. if your love for your brother is like Sasuke's love for his brother. What good is a brother's love if you are blinded by hatred.

Lost of the loved ones and pain occured to non-uchiha also.. don't know why you posted the scan. Tobirama himself was *****ing when Hashirama said to keep Madara alive.

You're leaving out too many variables and looking at it linearly.

Sasuke is not blinded by hatred. When he said "Burn" to the Juubi we knew his intentions were to finish the Juubi off because the Bijuu's were in it. He believes that the Bijuu's are one of the root causes of this messed up system; the same system that got his brother to kill his entire clan and revile him just to save the village, and the same system that made his best friend a Jinchuriki.

Madara is completely different. They were the ones who established he system. They wanted clans to live in unison. His brothers death came before this. It wasn't so much his brothers death, but the realization that both his clan and the village didn't support him at all; more so his clan not supporting him was the last straw and then he left (Realizing that Tobirama would oppress the Uchiha as he speculated Tobirama would be the next Hokage).

Two completely different situations bound by two different stipulations.

Also, Naruto is not a Senju for the last time. He did not descend from them at all. Distant relation implies that there is a link in the past that doesn't follow the original line of descent (Younger Son). The only other link is Rikudou.

Sorry but Madara made a clear emphasis that he couldn't protect his brother when he left the village.


I don't give a 2 Sh*ts about your fan theories on SO6P being a uzumaki or w.e

All Uzumaki are related to the Senju cannon fact. alright? Uzumaki clan is from the Senju lineage, another cannon fact.

 

[Wabbit]

NO..He may have his different way but having learned from the past Hokage about the origins of Konoha Sasuke now wants to protect the village, and Itachis sacrifice instead of destroying it.

 

[Psychox]

People were/are starting to say Sasuke and Naruto = Madara and Hashirama , comparison was gone when Sasuke joined the alliance.. however you are all wrong.

Sasuke is no better then Madara at this point. He helped the Akatsuki resurrect the Juubi, knowing his brother died for the village. All this is simply part of Sasuke's way of getting change that suites him.

Why did Sasuke want to burn down the Juubi? Because of Itachi's death.

Why does Madara want to control the world? Because of Izuna's death.

Sasuke is still blinded by hatred. And hence he is the Madara that Naruto will defeat.


It will be the last chapter of the Senju vs Uchiha, Hashirama vs Madara.

Anyone who believes sasuke has changed... has now been warned, so they don't get butthurt when he "turns back" to the bad side.

We were let to believe that he has changed , but i didnt buy it at all..

I agree with you with most things you've said , but we dont know for sure that Sasuke is pure evil- he has evil intentions ,though we still dont know how ''bad'' they are .

We have to agree that he wants to destroy the juubi and all the tailed beasts that involves Naruto and Bee.

To prove your theory 100% we must see what excatcly he intends to do , i mean his true goal(s).

But um.. yeah he is kind of like Madara i guess..

 

[NoMoreLove]

I think that the best ending would be for Naruto to end up killing Sasuke, best ending to Naruto ever lol. jk I don't know but

OT: Sasuke is meant to be the one who's different who will break the cursed uchiha bloodline that was spoke of by Hashirama. He will be the one to unite the leaf village and uchiha.

Why else would be put on a charade about being Hokage? Lets be serious now, you're disregarding this statement

 

[Microsword57]

Sorry sir, then you must be a naive one.. if your love for your brother is like Sasuke's love for his brother. What good is a brother's love if you are blinded by hatred.

Lost of the loved ones and pain occured to non-uchiha also.. don't know why you posted the scan. Tobirama himself was *****ing when Hashirama said to keep Madara alive.

You must not have a brother then because I know if someone killed my brother I would want to kill them. My mind would be in a vindictive state searching for revenge the difference is this is a manga and the naruto world therefore it is taken more out of proportion. In The manga they exaggerate this Revenge seeking human flaw we have as people to make it more real and more dramatic for Sasuke's personal character development. "Blind hatred" is something people tend to do when they are angry. It on numerous occasions has been described as a feeling of "blacking out" but again it is a manga and for the sake of character development and plot Kishimoto exaggerates this characteristics. He uses such an extend of hyperbole as to conjure it in the story as a Mental disorder. Now for your final sentence I truly do not understand how does Tobirama expostulating about leaving Madara alive shrink is credibility on his knowledge of Uchiha?

 

[bogosixone]

This is not Macho's thread?

 

[KingHashirama]

I think that the best ending would be for Naruto to end up killing Sasuke, best ending to Naruto ever lol. jk I don't know but

OT: Sasuke is meant to be the one who's different who will break the cursed uchiha bloodline that was spoke of by Hashirama. He will be the one to unite the leaf village and uchiha.

Why else would be put on a charade about being Hokage? Lets be serious now, you're disregarding this statement

He can't be Hokage..... He doesn't care about others..... why can't he play the charade of being HOkage? Madara also wanted to be Hokage..... WE KNOW Sasuke isn't gonna be Hokage period.

You must not have a brother then because I know if someone killed my brother I would want to kill them. My mind would be in a vindictive state searching for revenge the difference is this is a manga and the naruto world therefore it is taken more out of proportion. In The manga they exaggerate this Revenge seeking human flaw we have as people to make it more real and more dramatic for Sasuke's personal character development. "Blind hatred" is something people tend to do when they are angry. It on numerous occasions has been described as a feeling of "blacking out" but again it is a manga and for the sake of character development and plot Kishimoto exaggerates this characteristics. He uses such an extend of hyperbole as to conjure it in the story as a Mental disorder. Now for your final sentence I truly do not understand how does Tobirama expostulating about leaving Madara alive shrink is credibility on his knowledge of Uchiha?

I have actually 3 brothers... You yourself killed your brother.. yet are blaming on the system that calmed down the world. Instead of helping to improve the system , you out of revenge will go to search for the one who killed him.... doesn't sound logical. But indeed makes you the same as the Uchiha.

Nagato/Orochimar were all in the Cycle of Hatred. But they were Uchiha.

And I said even Tobirama acted out of revenge when Hashirama said not to kill Madara.. and TObirama started b*tching about it. i'm guessing you don't know how to make peace negotiations or understanding each other =].

Sasuke = Madara whether you want to admit it or not mate.

 

[Frikid]

Sasuke isn't evil anymore.
He never helped akatsuki, that attack on bee was a failure, and only a little portion of his chakra was obtained. Obito is very good TnJ user and he even TnJ'd naruto at one point but it was his friends (which sasuke didn't have in his case) who helped him come out of it.
Bee is totally normal when he saw sasuke was back , so the thing between those 2 is sorted out.

Now, sasuke have done enough good things which makes him the nice guy.
1. Stop edo tensei by defeating kabuto
2. Bringing back hokages
3. Trying to stop obito even till the last second along side minato.
4. Hokages trust him
5. Changed back oro to a good guy
6. Naruto senses no evil from him, neither do minato. Naruto has the ability to sense evil...

 

[KingHashirama]

Sasuke isn't evil anymore.
He never helped akatsuki, that attack on bee was a failure, and only a little portion of his chakra was obtained. Obito is very good TnJ user and he even TnJ'd naruto at one point but it was his friends (which sasuke didn't have in his case) who helped him come out of it.
Bee is totally normal when he saw sasuke was back , so the thing between those 2 is sorted out.

Now, sasuke have done enough good things which makes him the nice guy.
1. Stop edo tensei by defeating kabuto
2. Bringing back hokages
3. Trying to stop obito even till the last second along side minato.
4. Hokages trust him
5. Changed back oro to a good guy
6. Naruto senses no evil from him, neither do minato. Naruto has the ability to sense evil...

He did help the akatsuki.. killed Danzo.. got part of B's chakra for the akatsuki. Sasuke ignores his friends how could they possibly help him? Naruto doesn't ignore his friend.....

Hashirama has doubts. Naruto also has doubts..... Sakura and Sai don't trust him. Shikamaru has doubts..... Shall i keep going?

Even if Naruto senses evil he can't do anything about it... otherwise it makes a fraction in the alliance.