Sasuke is stronger than Madara if you don't count hacked powers.

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you fail to realise madara got his rennigan almost the same way sauske did...except madara got his directly from the ahura incarnate

Lol He got rinnegan from stealing power the sage gave sasuke the Rinnegan. I'm not failing to relies anything you're just not comprehending the simple fact that Sasuke's potential is far greater than Madaras.
 

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Lol He got rinnegan from stealing power the sage gave sasuke the Rinnegan. I'm not failing to relies anything you're just not comprehending the simple fact that Sasuke's potential is far greater than Madaras.

you are saying that someone has more potential than another because of the difference in way they obtained the same power?
 

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Lol I think OP is Butthurt that maddy solos his fav
 

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You are funny.

Sasuke's Rinnegan is his natural ability LMFAO. What a retarded statement XD. If you are talking about natural, then the one who naturally awakened Hagoromo's double Rinnegan was Madara. He needed to wait for years for it to be awakened, while Sasuke got it freely for like 5 minutes, how lame.

B!*ch please, Madara was an Uchiha genius of his generation. He could solo experienced Senju adults in his childhood even before awakening his Sharingan. He was the only Uchiha who could fight Hashirama one-on-one since their childhood. Even before obtaining EMS, he was the only one that could fight Hashirama.

Talking about Itachi, Yata and Totsuka are also not his original powers in the first place.

Actually, talking about stolen or borrowed powers is kinda pointless, your favorite Obito also got patched with Hashirama's cells for a large portion of his body when he was just 13 years old Lol. How lame. XD

Lol This is going to be easy.

First of Madara didn't naturally awaken the Rinnegan. He had to bite hashirama to steal his dna and then implanted it in himself and awakened it as an old man just before he died. Sasuke got his in 5 minutes for the simple fact that he didn't have to steal. The sage gave him his rinnegan. If the manga panels make you that angry that you call something that happened lame out of spite then it's bet you stop reading.

To what extent does it prove that Madara was a genius? All those years fighting Hashirama and Madara couldn't kill him yet I bet if you let the current Sasuke fight Hashirama of the past Sasuke would finish him. And keep in mind that we don't know if Hashi even used sage mode in his fights with Madara previous to the valley of the end.

His rinnegan techs are HIS. He didn't take them from anyone he was chosen by the creator of all ninshu to have those powers. And again you have no proof that he was given Senju Dna when Kabuto revived him.
 

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Lol I think OP is Butthurt that maddy solos his fav

No No maddy is in hell after getting solo'd by black zetsu he's barely been mentioned and has become irrelevant it's time to burry his pathetic memory.
 

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you are saying that someone has more potential than another because of the difference in way they obtained the same power?

If Madara as an indra reincarnation wasn't chosen by the sage to achieve a certain power what does that tell you? For what ever reason Madara wasn't ready for I ;therefore, was not a potential candidate for that power up.
 

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Sasuke would have awakened the rinnegan regardless of if he had EMS because according to most of you the sage gave him the rinnegan. Sasuke's Mangekyo can do susanoo and ameterasu. Madaras Mangekyo was displayed as being able to do susanoo. It doesn't matter what technique Madara has in his weak Eternal mangekyo sharingan because Sasuke will eventually obtain the rinnegan through the sage something Madara wasn't worthy of obtaining.

Sasuke would not have awakened the Rinnegan alone, he would need Naruto's DNA to combine Indras and Ashuras chakras as Madara did with Hashirama to get the Rinnegan. So if you're counting Sasuke getting the Rinnegan that way then Madara has his and Sasuke doesn't since he never got Naruto's DNA. Obviously Sasuke wasn't worth getting the Rinnegan if the Sage said he was giving Sasuke it because he ignored Indra which only made things worst.

Madara wasn't even fighting Sasuke, Naruto, Gai+co seriously or at full power. Madara used Susanoo when he was blind and when he hand 1 eye pre-Juubi Jin but never used it once when he became Juubi Jin and there's nothing stopping him from using it since it's created by admitting chakra from all over the body so his Susanoo would be way stronger than current Sasuke due to having the Juubi and being a complete Sage while Sasuke and Naruto are both half. It took Lee+Minato teamwork to take away the majority of Madara's black orbs, and took Kakashi+Gaara to create an opening for Gai to attack Madara. Madara never used his wood jutsus or Katon jutsus which were all powerful when he was an Edo or pre Juubi Jin and would be much stronger when he was the Juubi Jin. He never used his Rinnegan abilities that Nagato mostly used at all when he was revived, only C.T when he got both eyes.

Obito implied that he could pull out Yamato's soul, he controlled his version of the 6 paths, and revive people yet Madara couldn't use deva path, absorb ninjutsus, summon the summonings, or use weapon path? When he got his other eye he could have controlled Hashirama and Tobirama who were impaled by his chakra rods yet he didn't. The Rinnegan lets him useall 6 elements and he only used storm element as the Juubi Jin once.

EMS Madara is greater than Sasuke in all categories: Speed, strength, durability, endurance, stamina, strength, experiences, jutsu knowledge, stronger jutsus.
 

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If Madara as an indra reincarnation wasn't chosen by the sage to achieve a certain power what does that tell you? For what ever reason Madara wasn't ready for I ;therefore, was not a potential candidate for that power up.

that has nothing to do with potential... madara reached a level close to the sage on his own even surpassing indra himself and with years if he had not be soloed by BZ wouldve been on footing with the so6p
 

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If Madara as an indra reincarnation wasn't chosen by the sage to achieve a certain power what does that tell you? For what ever reason Madara wasn't ready for I ;therefore, was not a potential candidate for that power up.

It could be because he was already the second strongest person in the world along with Hashirama being the Strongest and he only gave Sasuke and Naruto that power because Madara was trying to gain power close to the Sage and Kaguya. Other wise Sasuke and Naruto wouldn't have met the Sage at all even if they died and was saved. Naruto might have met him since he has Kurama's chakra and is Ashura's reincarnation but I doubt he would give Naruto any powers since there would be no reason for it; he would just tell the same story he told Naruto.

Sasuke only got power because the Sage felt bad for ignoring Indra, manga fact
 

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Lol This is going to be easy.

First of Madara didn't naturally awaken the Rinnegan. He had to bite hashirama to steal his dna and then implanted it in himself and awakened it as an old man just before he died. Sasuke got his in 5 minutes for the simple fact that he didn't have to steal. The sage gave him his rinnegan. If the manga panels make you that angry that you call something that happened lame out of spite then it's bet you stop reading.

To what extent does it prove that Madara was a genius? All those years fighting Hashirama and Madara couldn't kill him yet I bet if you let the current Sasuke fight Hashirama of the past Sasuke would finish him. And keep in mind that we don't know if Hashi even used sage mode in his fights with Madara previous to the valley of the end.

His rinnegan techs are HIS. He didn't take them from anyone he was chosen by the creator of all ninshu to have those powers. And again you have no proof that he was given Senju Dna when Kabuto revived him.

Your usage of the word "natural" is weird. You said that Sasuke's Rinnegan is his "natural power" yet you admitted that he got it handed freely by Hagoromo. You are the one who didn't make any sense here. Madara bit Hashirama's arm so what about it?

The point was that he strived for it while Sasuke got it handed without any effort. To reiterate my earlier point again, Hagoromo never intended to give Sasuke the power in the first place, he never deserved it.

Lol You seriously denying Madara's genius? No average Uchiha could fight Hashirama one-on-one, and no average Uchiha could become the leader of Uchiha. Mind you, he became the leader of Uchiha before he got any "stolen or borrowed power".

Of course current Sasuke can defeat Hashirama with his borrowed Hagoromo's power. Who is denying this?
 

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Oh one more thing, Sasuke's handed powers:

1. CM
2. Orochimaru's drug
3. Juugo's cells
4. Itachi's Sharingan
5. Hashirama's cells via Kabuto
6. Tomoed Rinnegan

Sasuke is a spoiled child. All of that without him striving for them. None of them are natural, none of them was "deserved" by him.
 
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EMS Madara > EMS Sasuke
 
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