Dude, jaraiya even said himself that he did everything he could to stop oro, he told naruto that out of his own mouth. I'd also like to bring this back to the fight where oro fought both and jaraiya and tsunade with no arms. Jaraiys is strong, yes but he isn't as strong as you claim him to be. I'd also like to ask if you have nothing more to say about the sasuke thing or have we proven you wrong enough?lol dont take this the wrong way, i just love to debate.thats the point of puting up threads right. i agree there are some people that have worst but let answer back this wouldnt be fun if i didnt....first i dont like you talking about Jiraya-sensei like that lol, put your pride aside and come to reason you know jiraya was holding back against orochimaru, orochimaru and jiraya is like nartuto and sasuke, the third hokage fought 3 on 1 and still manage to beat two and seal OROCHIMARU'S arms rewatch please...lol Honestly i cant argue you about kakashi but i can say, he handles his...name one time he just got owned beside against itatchi...my list maybe a little out of order if you say but still accurate without sasuke...lol and if Jiraya didnt lose to Pain he would have been Hokage...also pain said it himself
(referring to Jiraiya, after defeating him)"If it hadn't been for our secret we would have never won... I can give you no higher praise than that, my former teacher."
and Pain is an easy Top ten if not top five pick...so what that makes Jiraya..if thats not good enough for you itatchi had to use amaterasu to get out of the toads stomach if not he would be dead so yea-Jiraya is the S***