[Spoilers] Sasuke is getting the Rinnegan

[Beastbomb]

No, Madara had to experience a near death experience in order to awaken the Rinnegan. The only one he got was when he was about to die of old age, meaning that if he was stabbed right after implanting the cells into himself, he would most likely awaken it at that time.

To me this is the exact same situation to me, at the v.o.t.e Madara was stabbed by Hashirama and was all but killed. He then used his dna to heal himself, and it wasn't until his life was almost over that he awakened the rinnegan. Now Sasuke is in the same position, he has been stabbed and is all but dead. Now whilst not confirmed, but highly likely, he is having Hashirama's cells pumped into him. So its likely he will need to actually go through a near death situation again to unlock the rinnegan. My point being that Sasuke, like Madara was stabbed and near death before having Hashirama dna added to them. So its not a case of being near death, then getting Hashirama dna, and bam you have the rinnegan if you get my point. I am all for Sasuke getting it, and I believe he will, but to me if he gets it after he wakes up then it goes against the whole near death to unlock it theory imo

 

[Honord Sage]

If Kabuto is transfering Hashirama's DNA, then Sasuke's chakra reserves will get a huge powerup.

Physical Energy (from Hashirama's cells) + Spiritual Energy (from himself) = Chakra reserves (Stamina)

Manga fact: Chapter 17/90

Still not as powerful as having all the powers and chakra of all 9 Tail Beast to power the eyes,why do you think Obito and Madara wanted the Tail Beast to be capture? They're an Ultimate power source for the Rinnegan.

 

[Transcendence]

No, GhostProject. As I stated, the reason Madara took so long is because he used White Zetsu material on his wounds. Sasuke is using Hashirama's cloned DNA so he won't take long to unlock it. Sasuke's Yin (EMS) is being pumped with higher levels of Yang (Hashirama > Zetsu). More yang = faster results. Near death experience is only very lightly hinted at, but Yang chakra is the immediate requirement to upgrade the EMS to Rinnegan...So Madara's crappy ingredients resulted in the slow acquirement. I really think that the fact Madara also used these washed up ingredients led to a weaker Rinnegan. Sasuke might get the elder son's Dojutsu.

So the absolute speaker says something wrong once more?

He didn't use Zetsu degraded Hashirama DNA. He cultivated Zetsu's from the Gedo Mazo AFTER he awakened the Rin'negan. The DNA acquired is of the same veracity and potency as what Kabuto/Orochimaru had access to.​

 

[Mr Hiru]

Still not as powerful as having all the powers and chakra of all 9 Tail Beast to power the eyes,why do you think Obito and Madara wanted the Tail Beast to be capture? They're an Ultimate power source for the Rinnegan.

Wrong... the final objective of getting the tailed beasts is not the Rinnegan, it was the Tsuki no Me. So your argument is kind of weak.

 

[Transcendence]

Wrong... the final objective of getting the tailed beasts is not the Rinnegan, it was the Tsuki no Me. So your argument is kind of weak.

T'is true, but you have yet to refute that the Rin'negan is rooted within the Tailed Beasts.

 

[Orochimagus]

Good point, Katsura, but the manga can be used to argue against that.

"Having Mu evade the Hokage Guard Platoon and Dodai, Kabuto reveals the enhancements he made on Madara using a genetic sample of Hashirama to make him a power near equal to the Sage of Six Paths."

Madara was surprised at having Hashirama's face on his chest. This means the cells Madara cultivated from Hashirama to attain the Rinnegan led to less than stellar results. I do not think Madara damaged Hashirama enough to stick an entire chunk of flesh into his chest, rather that he had to "farm" from the small samples he could gather. Not only was there less knowledge on genetics then, but Madara is first and foremost a warrior while Orochimaru is a scientist. His cloning technique just cannot stand against Orochimaru's version. So once Madara had acquired the Rinnegan, he used YinYang and the chakra of the Heretical Demon Statue to mass produce Hashirama's bastardized DNA. This is why the Zetsu are weaker than Yamato.

More evidence as to how Madara farmed Hashirama's DNA is here: "During the battle at the Valley of the End where Madara Uchiha was thought to have died, the latter took the opportunity to collect his adversary's cells, using it to create a mindless living clone that produced the artificial life forms that became the White Zetsu Army." Tobi was seen replacing his arm with Zetsu material, which is more than likely where Madara got it to begin with.

More evidence: "[136] Obito Uchiha, having been saved by Madara, was indirectly infused with Hashirama's DNA when the destroyed portion of the young Uchiha's body was replaced with artificial material from the living clone of Hashirama." This mindless White Zetsu Hashirama is just not the real deal and Madara never had the knowledge to clone Hashirama's DNA properly like Orochimaru did. Hence why OROCHIMARU'S research (Yamato) was used to boost Madara's research (White Zetsu Army).

As for the near death experience issue...Wasn't Madara already in a near death experience at vote? With Hashirama's affinity to life energy, I am sure he can sense is someone is dead or not. The fact Hashirama has gone out of his way to make clear he made sure Madara was dead, and how he is not sure how or who revived him means he had either already died or gone through a near death experience at vote, so he should have awakened the Rinnegan then and there since he met the "requirements".

To make things short, the simple fact that Kabuto has been able to use Orochimaru's research to boost the powers of both the Zetsu Army, AND Madara Uchiha makes it quite clear Madara used degraded material.

 

[Mr Hiru]

T'is true, but you have yet to refute that the Rin'negan is rooted within the Tailed Beasts.

Not a bit. Actually, I agree and accept that the origin of the Rinnegan relies in the Juubi in its complete form (The Sage of Six Paths was nurtured with the fruit that came from the God Tree, and also he became the Juubi Jinchuuriki). So no matter what people says (if he awakened this power before or after becoming Jinchuuriki), the fact that the powers came from the Juubi remains.

Now, my point is very different. I'm not talking about the origin of the Rinnegan, I'm talking about the objective of Madara/Nagato/Obito capturing the Tailed Beasts.

 

[Orochimagus]

Hirudora, speaking of the origin of the Rinnegan. Doesn't the ten tails show he has the Rinnegan WITHOUT the tomoes while he was running rampant before he faced Hagoromo? Is there a chance that the tree was a neutral party and that it was infected by the Sage's evil, thus the tomoes later?

 

[Orochimagus]

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[Mr Hiru]

Hirudora, speaking of the origin of the Rinnegan. Doesn't the ten tails show he has the Rinnegan WITHOUT the tomoes while he was running rampant before he faced Hagoromo? Is there a chance that the tree was a neutral party and that it was infected by the Sage's evil, thus the tomoes later?

That's a good question, and I feel that's a valid possibility.

Now, I can't really say that the tomoes represent the Sage's evil, or anything related to the Sage.

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Do you remember the "Kusanagi no Tsurugi" (Orochimaru's Kusanagi Sword), the "Yata no kagami" (Itachi's Yata Mirror)?

These two are known as two of the "Three Sacred Treasures of Japan". The third one is known as "Yasakani no Magatama", that curiously, has the shape of a Tomoe.

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The Encyclopedia of Japan tells that this treasure is stored inside the Kashiko-dokoro, the main shrine inside the Tokyo Imperial Palace. This jewel is used in the enthronement ceremony of the Emperor of Japan.

It is said that this kind of jewel can be empowered by certain priests who holds enough spiritual energy, and once powered enough this jewel could let the medium boosts their link with the spiritual world.

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I'm sure that the spiritual power wielded by the Juubi was tremendous, and the manifestation of this power had to go through the Juubi's eyes.

Could this spiritual power manifest from nowhere? I doubt it. The Juubi had this power from the start. As much, the power could be 'awakened' just like the Uchiha Clan.

Henceforth (and being plotwise), if the Juubi had some kind of hatred against human race, it had to be directed not to Hagoromo, but to Kaguya, the one who stole and ate the fruit. Hagoromo was just a victim of the circumstances, just like any person in the current context of Narutoverse.

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The Yasakani no Magatama is stored in the Kashiko-dokoro, the central shrine of the Imperial Palace in Tokyo, and is used in the enthronement ceremony of the new emperor of Japan. Based on the legend that says that each of the treasures were a gift from the gods, known as the "three precious children of Izanagi no Okami": Amaterasu no Mikoto gave the mirror, Takahaya Susanoo gave the sword and Tsukuyomi no Okami gave the necklace or jewel (magatama) as a symbol of approval of the new emperor.

 

[goldendookie]

Rinnegan without the Tail Beast is an under power eyes that eat up your chakra over time and you end up like Nagato did Young but worn out,why do you think He use courses for each path. Sasuke can get the Rinnegan and get His Butt kick by Naruto and His Tail Beast power and if you have all the Tail Beast you get the Rinnegan as the SO6P did and you know Naruto is the next SO6P.

He got worn out because he summoned the Demon Statue can it took his chakra

 

[Orochimagus]

What got me thinking is that the Tentails did not have any Tomoe prior to joining with Hagoromo. Sure, it was indignant because some of its power was stolen by humanity and it threw a hissy fit but he did not show Tomoe until after he joined with the sage. I am pretty sure Kishimoto still has some strong surprises left for us.

Oh, also about the legendary treasures...Again their connection is to Shinto myths. As such Uchiha are the ones being seen using it. They use the tomoes as a fireball, Itachi wielded the mirror, and that is why the bottle of Susanoo is called the counter to Kusanagi maybe.

 

[Mr Hiru]

What got me thinking is that the Tentails did not have any Tomoe prior to joining with Hagoromo. Sure, it was indignant because some of its power was stolen by humanity and it threw a hissy fit but he did not show Tomoe until after he joined with the sage. I am pretty sure Kishimoto still has some strong surprises left for us.

Oh, also about the legendary treasures...Again their connection is to Shinto myths. As such Uchiha are the ones being seen using it. They use the tomoes as a fireball, Itachi wielded the mirror, and that is why the bottle of Susanoo is called the counter to Kusanagi maybe.

I really DO have doubts in this matter. I'm not that sure, we only know about the hieroglyphs of the Sage and the Juubi, not anything that detailed (tomoes/magatamas).

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I can see that the Sage and the Juubi were not one entity and still the Juubi had the tomoes.

 

[Orochimagus]

Perhaps that picture is after the Tentails had already melded with Hagoromo and shortly before he was split into nine beasts. I do not see why the EARLIEST chronological representation of the Tentails is being drawn with a Rinnegan and no Tomoe. Kishi is going to mind fudge us, I think.

 

[Transcendence]

Not a bit. Actually, I agree and accept that the origin of the Rinnegan relies in the Juubi in its complete form (The Sage of Six Paths was nurtured with the fruit that came from the God Tree, and also he became the Juubi Jinchuuriki). So no matter what people says (if he awakened this power before or after becoming Jinchuuriki), the fact that the powers came from the Juubi remains.

Now, my point is very different. I'm not talking about the origin of the Rinnegan, I'm talking about the objective of Madara/Nagato/Obito capturing the Tailed Beasts.

To that, I agree. But I'd ascertain the argument that the chakra doesn't have to rival the amount that was within the fruit. Only with the same composition (The Juubi's chakra centered in one place rather than within a beast) like the fruit which will happen via the method Naruto will gain from Obito and possibly awaken said Rinnegan. It's all up in the air for now, and I'll leave it to Kishi to figure this out.

Hirudora, speaking of the origin of the Rinnegan. Doesn't the ten tails show he has the Rinnegan WITHOUT the tomoes while he was running rampant before he faced Hagoromo? Is there a chance that the tree was a neutral party and that it was infected by the Sage's evil, thus the tomoes later?

I'd think that has to do more with the fact that 1. Its chakra was stolen and 2. It didn't get the chance to get it back because the Sage was able to subdue and seal it (not defeat it) and stopped it from rampaging and regaining its chakra; leading to the Tomoe's which we now know to be a representation of the Uchiha clan, and the clan known as the clan ravaged by Hatred.

 

[Orochimagus]

So, Katsura...Basically the Tentails was rightfully indignant from being wronged by humanity. It tries to regain its chakra but is subdued and this fills the beast with hatred until it develops the tomoes? Plausible.

Though as a godly entity who might have created the Naruto world and its continents, this seems pretty weird. The beast seems linked with nature itself so it is most likely not naturally good or evil while, in contrast, history has shown that humanity was evil since before chakra was introduced. The discrepancies in the Tentail's eyes might hint to things being more complex than they appear. Not the first time the humanity vs nature plot has been used in anime and video games.

 

[VolatileSoul]

I don't particularly want Sasuke to get the Rinnegan, if only for the fact that I want him to remain a pure Uchiha. Besides, what message is it gonna send if everyone, even the second main character, needs Senju DNA to compete? I doubt Kishi cares about that at this point though. It's been a while since he's shown Sasuke's character any amount of respect.

Never been hinted?


Naruto is the title hero of the series and like all sj hero's he will end up being stronger than the rival. Kishi is not dumb enough to give him a power up to compete with him. And it will be like Ichigo vs Azien a short time power up for god mode.
How do you explain this?

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The Rinnegan has been used for wrong purpose too much, the six path sage awakened it by the juubi power from his mother why not Naruto?

Again, what does Rinnegan have to do with being stronger than Naruto? Considering that they have been portrayed as equal character wise and have always been close power wise, nothing even implies Naruto is going to be stronger at the end aside from the MC always has to be the strongest at the end logic. Kishi himself said that when he gives one a powerup, he has to keep the other in mind, so it would be kinda odd for Kishi not to give Sasuke a power to compete, especially since they need to be relatively close in strength for the final battle, and have always been close in level all through the series. That Rinnegan behind Naruto indicated the Rikudo, not Naruto getting the eyes. Who says the Rinnegan in Sasuke's hands will be used for the wrong purpose? He hasn't even used EMS for any wrong purpose.

 

[davidou]

I think Sasuke will get Rinnegan too. He meets all the requirements as far as we know.

Yep , all of them:
EMS+Senju+a secret you learn when you go where Kakashi went when he died.
What is that ****ing secret?Is the sage blocked in that dimension?

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

I think we might be getting a little ahead of ourselves. I agree that Rinnegan is still a possibility, but it seems like we haven't been shown what Itachi was referring to.

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Before gaining Senju related powers, Sasuke needs to show exactly what the meaning of this is. His Uchiha blood still needs to be the focus, I feel the Rinnegan is a possibility but, if it does come to fruition, it will need to come after Sasuke proves the full potential of Uchiha, which Madara has not reached. Rinnegan is not necessary.

Sasuke needs to both utilize his brother's ocular powers, and show what the Eternal Mangekyo is truly capable of, before touching on further dojutsu.

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Sasuke's Kaleidoscope eye is not yet done. If the Rinnegan is in the plans for Sasuke, I think it's too early.

 

[Almighty Ra]

I think we might be getting a little ahead of ourselves. I agree that Rinnegan is still a possibility, but it seems like we haven't been shown what Itachi was referring to.

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Before gaining Senju related powers, Sasuke needs to show exactly what the meaning of this is. His Uchiha blood still needs to be the focus, I feel the Rinnegan is a possibility but, if it does come to fruition, it will need to come after Sasuke proves the full potential of Uchiha, which Madara has not reached. Rinnegan is not necessary.

Sasuke needs to both utilize his brother's ocular powers, and show what the Eternal Mangekyo is truly capable of, before touching on further dojutsu.

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Sasuke's Kaleidoscope eye is not yet done. If the Rinnegan is in the plans for Sasuke, I think it's too early.

Awesome theory and great proof to back it up.The Rinnegan is jus one evolution of the Uchiha ocular powers but it's possibly not the ultimate power of the Uchiha. Like many have stated the over use of the Rinnegan thur out the series is getting over done..I've stated and posted a thread (

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) before in the other possibilities that Sasuke could awaken a totally new and unseen evolution of the Uchiha doujutsu at a level that might surpass the Rinnegan. Kishimoto could go that route and make Sasuke's power original and unique as his character development.