Sasuke = Indra?

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I have been thinking about this for a while now. Sasuke and Madara are supposed to be reincarnates of Indra.
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We can see here that Indra thinks "power could make anything come true". This holds true for Sasuke as he seeks power to fulfill his long time ambition of killing his brother. He does this by defecting from the village and going to orochimaru.
Once again after fighting with team 7 on the bridge, he transplants his brother's eyes to restore his eyesight and to gain additional power so he can destroy the leaf.

However during the talk with the edo hokages, Tobirama tells sasuke something interesting.
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The uchiha valued love above all else. Does this contradict what the Sage said about Indra, and therefore sasuke?

The reason why sasuke wanted to acquire power in the first place was to kill itachi. Why? To avenge his clan. Why? Because he loved his family. It was the pain of losing his loved ones and finding out that his beloved brother lied to him all this time, that he managed to awaken the sharingan for the first time.
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When he decided to destroy the leaf, it was because he simply could not forgive them for what they put Itachi through, even if it meant hurting others to get what he wants. He did not care about anything else except his clan and his brother so he put them above anything else, even if it meant nit respecting Itachi's wishes, he did what he thought was best for his brother and the clan. Why? Because he loved them immensely.

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Here Madara mentions that the good feelings a person once had "turns into deep hatred towards the world". This explains Obito as well as sasuke during his MS phase. Sasuke was a far cry from the power seeking Indra.

So are they really similar? Even Madara at first loved his brothers, especially Izuna, which was how he acquired the sharingan and mangekyou (I assume). He only changed when the village rejected him as hokage and decided to make Tobirama hokage. He later defected and fought Hashirama at VOTE where he was defeated.

Madara has more similarities with Indra than Sasuke (except how he needed help from the nine-tails against hashirama who did not need any help). Is there a reason why sasuke is different to Indra or am I over thinking?

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tl, dr

Sasuke is Indra . . . his dad (hagmoro) just never realized how choosing one son over the other would hurt him (indra)
 

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I have been thinking about this for a while now. Sasuke and Madara are supposed to be reincarnates of Indra.
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We can see here that Indra thinks "power could make anything come true". This holds true for Sasuke as he seeks power to fulfill his long time ambition of killing his brother. He does this by defecting from the village and going to orochimaru.
Once again after fighting with team 7 on the bridge, he transplants his brother's eyes to restore his eyesight and to gain additional power so he can destroy the leaf.

However during the talk with the edo hokages, Tobirama tells sasuke something interesting.
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The uchiha valued love above all else. Does this contradict what the Sage said about Indra, and therefore sasuke?

The reason why sasuke wanted to acquire power in the first place was to kill itachi. Why? To avenge his clan. Why? Because he loved his family. It was the pain of losing his loved ones and finding out that his beloved brother lied to him all this time, that he managed to awaken the sharingan for the first time.
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When he decided to destroy the leaf, it was because he simply could not forgive them for what they put Itachi through, even if it meant hurting others to get what he wants. He did not care about anything else except his clan and his brother so he put them above anything else, even if it meant nit respecting Itachi's wishes, he did what he thought was best for his brother and the clan. Why? Because he loved them immensely.

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Here Madara mentions that the good feelings a person once had "turns into deep hatred towards the world". This explains Obito as well as sasuke during his MS phase. Sasuke was a far cry from the power seeking Indra.

So are they really similar? Even Madara at first loved his brothers, especially Izuna, which was how he acquired the sharingan and mangekyou (I assume). He only changed when the village rejected him as hokage and decided to make Tobirama hokage. He later defected and fought Hashirama at VOTE where he was defeated.

Madara has more similarities with Indra than Sasuke (except how he needed help from the nine-tails against hashirama who did not need any help). Is there a reason why sasuke is different to Indra or am I over thinking?

Thanks for reading.

Good Points here. Rep+. And I still believe Sasuke is Indra. Only because that is what the Sage said. But these are very good points and I will keep them in mind as Sasuke's development continues
 

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OT: Its been proven several times that Indra =Madara now...SORRY!
 

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This^ might be helpful, but Sasuke hadn't given up on the world or ppl like Madara did so therefore there was no need to dominate humans through power. He simply tried to change things on his own instead. (Like indra) Madara's view is more like Kaguya's
 

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tl, dr

Sasuke is Indra . . . his dad (hagmoro) just never realized how choosing one son over the other would hurt him (indra)

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OT: Its been proven several times that Indra =Madara now...SORRY!

I'm not saying he's not, just asking what's with the differences.

Good Points here. Rep+. And I still believe Sasuke is Indra. Only because that is what the Sage said. But these are very good points and I will keep them in mind as Sasuke's development continues

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Good thread, very informational.
 

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What you need to understand is Indra was not his clan. It's only.later did his.clan come. Also they lived completely different lives. Madara life was different from sasukes. Sasuke n madara are not Indra rather it's just indras charka that sticks to him and at times can.influence Sasuke or.madara at the time. They have similarities. But it's not like Sasuke has memories of being Indra. It's indras charka just clings to Sasuke.
 

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This^ might be helpful, but Sasuke hadn't given up on the world or ppl like Madara did so therefore there was no need to dominate humans through power. He simply tried to change things on his own instead. (Like indra) Madara's view is more like Kaguya's

Wow nice read man. Did not think that madara can be a Kaguya.
 

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Wow nice read man. Did not think that madara can be a Kaguya.
Thanks, and they established that madara's view was that of Kaguya during the Sage talk
 

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Sasuke and Indra aren't identical.(that's not how reincarnation works...)
 

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tl, dr

Sasuke is Indra . . . his dad (hagmoro) just never realized how choosing one son over the other would hurt him (indra)
I don't think Indra falls into that love category, but Sasuke definitely does. Indra and Madaras motives seemed more greed driven and also like they were seeking revenge.


OT: If you didn't read it you shouldn't give an input on something that you don't know what your talking about. How can you comment on a statement if you don't even know what the statement is?
GTFOH!
 
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sasuke is not indra. he is just a reincarnation of him. not like some kind a clone of indra. look at ashura , hashi and naruto? they ar even more different
 

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Sasuke and Indra aren't identical.(that's not how reincarnation works...)
So does the fact that Uchiha value love above all have nothing to do with Indra at all, so therefore doesn't contradict the sage when he says Indra believed power was the way?
 

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Indra, Madara, and Sasuke all share the same though process and have a very similar attitude. However they all had very different lives which is what made their decisions differ. Two people can have the exact same mind set, but because their lives are so much different they make decisions and do things differently.
 

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Good thread, very informational.
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Indra, Madara, and Sasuke all share the same though process and have a very similar attitude. However they all had very different lives which is what made their decisions differ. Two people can have the exact same mind set, but because their lives are so much different they make decisions and do things differently.
Ok that makes sense. Like being independent in an individualistic country is ideal but not in a collectivist nation?
 

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OT: Its been proven several times that Indra =Madara now...SORRY!
And you don't know how reincarnation works, do you? Madara died, so there is no way for Indra's spirit to remain in Madara's body. Indra moved on to sausage.
 

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Sasuke is Indra . . .
 

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I woudn't declare Indora as a guy who was hungry for power. He had just realised that his power is special and tried to change things on his own. Currently, Sasuke is the most special transmigration of Indora, because he coudn't only summon Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki and prove his worth, but he represents Indora, the ancestor of Uchiha like no other guy did before. The same goes for Naruto.
Sasukes whole path has been a little bit different than Indoras, however, that's only natural. Sasuke and Indora were born with a different burden after all. Indora as the first son of the sage of the six path's wanted to lead the first shinobi-sect Ninshū. Sasuke on the other hand took on the whole burden of the Uchiha.
I think, there are more similarities between Sasuke and Indora than between Madara and him.
 
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