[Spoilers] Sasuke got away with Bijuu's chakra, again.

[lndra]

Words from "Indra": Sasuke, sucks lol.

 

[Shinato]

But this is also a mistake. When you talked about Hagoromo, you referred specifically to the moment Naruto acquired his latest sage and bijuu mode but naruto had stopped being considered a pathetic ninja when he defeated nagato. In fact from that moment on he was regarded as a hero. So that being said I was correct because the way you put it was as if only his very latest power-ups were what changed everyone's opinion which in fact has been proven to be wrong.

Depends on your definition by the word "gift". I said that without the gift from Hagoromo. Kurama originated from Hagoromo. My statement still stands, had it not been for Hagoromo and what he did then Naruto would have been as everyone guessed, a pathetic shinobi.

 

[UzumakiRyu]

Depends on your definition by the word "gift". I said that without the gift from Hagoromo. Kurama originated from Hagoromo. My statement still stands, had it not been for Hagoromo and what he did then Naruto would have been as everyone guessed, a pathetic shinobi.

By your own logic the same would apply to Sasuke and everyone else with Hagomoro's powers.

 

[Shinato]

By your own logic the same would apply to Sasuke and everyone else with Hagomoro's powers.

Which is exactly what I said. I never singled out Naruto.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Didn't he? At least we'll see the final counter of Naruto next time.

I wonder what would happened if Kurama didn't produce more chakra.

At this rate, if Naruto dies, it is Kurama's fault... XD

 

[UzumakiRyu]

Depends on your definition by the word "gift". I said that without the gift from Hagoromo. Kurama originated from Hagoromo. My statement still stands, had it not been for Hagoromo and what he did then Naruto would have been as everyone guessed, a pathetic shinobi.

From my understanding, this post says nothing about other Shinobi who weld Hagomoro's power yet your fine finger pointing at Naruto for power he received from S06P unless I quoted the wrong post so please quote the right one.

 

[Shinato]

From my understanding, this post says nothing about other Shinobi who weld Hagomoro's power yet your fine finger pointing at Naruto for power he received from S06P unless I quoted the wrong post so please quote the right one.

This debate started by you stating that Kurama was part of Naruto's natural powers, while Sasuke's Rinnegan was not. I stated that it was, and then you came with the the excuse that had Sasuke not met Hagoromo, he wouldn't have had the Rinnegan. To that I stated that the same goes for Naruto, and that had it not been for Hagoromo in general than no one would (including Naruto and Sasuke) had powers on the same level as they do now.

 

[UzumakiRyu]

This debate started by you stating that Kurama was part of Naruto's natural powers, while Sasuke's Rinnegan was not. I stated that it was, and then you came with the the excuse that had Sasuke not met Hagoromo, he wouldn't have had the Rinnegan. To that I stated that the same goes for Naruto, and that had it not been for Hagoromo in general than no one would (including Naruto and Sasuke) had powers on the same level as they do now.

Oh ya I remember that, I still stand by that because Kabuto healing Sasuke with Senju dna or Hashirama giving Sasuke chakra to seal madara the ability to gain the Rinnegan unless he gained it before meeting the S06P, then it is most likely he gained it from that meeting which as many have stated its more similiar to the Juubi's eye mixture of Sharigan and Rinnegan then the one alone.

So you admit to singling him out, I don't see you quoting that you didn't single him out and you only say this now.

 

[Shinato]

Oh ya I remember that, I still stand by that because Kabuto healing Sasuke with Senju dna or Hashirama giving Sasuke chakra to seal madara the ability to gain the Rinnegan unless he gained it before meeting the S06P, then it is most likely he gained it from that meeting which as many have stated its more similiar to the Juubi's eye mixture of Sharigan and Rinnegan then the one alone.

So you admit to singling him out, I don't see you quoting that you didn't single him out and you only say this now.

Hashirama's DNA has nothing to with unlocking the Rinnegan, Hagoromo's chakra has. Also, I never singled him out. My first comment on this subject was that if that rule applied to Sasuke, it applied to Naruto as well.

 

[UzumakiRyu]

Hashirama's DNA has nothing to with unlocking the Rinnegan, Hagoromo's chakra has. Also, I never singled him out. My first comment on this subject was that if that rule applied to Sasuke, it applied to Naruto as well.

No let's be smart about this, then when they fought at VoTe and at the time they were the descended from Ashura and Indra who when both their chakra is combined is equal to their fathers which is the same thing, at the time Hashirama's dna did play a part in Madara unlocking the Rinnegan probably played a large part because without it he would not of gained it without meeting the S06P.

 

[Shinato]

No let's be smart about this, then when they fought at VoTe and at the time they were the descended from Ashura and Indra who when both their chakra is combined is equal to their fathers which is the same thing, at the time Hashirama's dna did play a part in Madara unlocking the Rinnegan probably played a large part because without it he would not of gained it without meeting the S06P.

I will repeat myself again. Hashirama and Madara's DNA has nothing to do with unlocking the Rinnegan. Indra and Ashura's chakra does. Hashirama and Madara's DNA does not contain Ashura or Indra's DNA anymore.

 

[UzumakiRyu]

I will repeat myself again. Hashirama and Madara's DNA has nothing to do with unlocking the Rinnegan. Indra and Ashura's chakra does. Hashirama and Madara's DNA does not contain Ashura or Indra's DNA anymore.

What you just said makes zero sense, at the time they were descended from the two. If you didn't know already DNA is infused with Chakra and it's already been stated that Ashura clinged to Naruto's probably after leaving Hashi.

 

[Shinato]

What you just said makes zero sense, at the time they were descended from the two. If you didn't know already DNA is infused with Chakra and it's already been stated that Ashura clinged to Naruto's probably after leaving Hashi.

And when Ashura's left Hashirama, he left with all his chakra.

 

[UzumakiRyu]

And when Ashura's left Hashirama, he left with all his chakra.

but Madara had already got what he needed as it has already been stated that he was the only true Uchiha to unlock the Rinnegan before his death.

 

[Shinato]

but Madara had already got what he needed as it has already been stated that he was the only true Uchiha to unlock the Rinnegan before his death.

He and Sasuke awoke it in the same manner.

 

[UzumakiRyu]

He and Sasuke awoke it in the same manner.

Madara awakened the Rinnegan by combining his (Indra's) and Hashirama Senju's (Ashura) DNA into one being which resulted in him being able to awaken the Rinnegan where Sasuke got it thanks to Hagomoro where he was told to put up his hand being handed a seal along with half of the S06P's chakra.

Not really the same manner in attaining the Rinnegan when Sasuke's version is only one mixed with the Sharigan and doesn't even have 2 of them

 

[Shinato]

Madara awakened the Rinnegan by combining his (Indra's) and Hashirama Senju's (Ashura) DNA into one being which resulted in him being able to awaken the Rinnegan where Sasuke got it thanks to Hagomoro where he was told to put up his hand being handed a seal along with half of the S06P's chakra.

Not really the same manner in attaining the Rinnegan when Sasuke's version is only one mixed with the Sharigan and doesn't even have 2 of them

Madara awoke the Rinnegan by combining Ashura and Indra's chakra, creating Hagoromo's chakra, thus awakening the Rinnegan. (This was explained by Hagoromo himself.)

Sasuke gained the Rinnegan directly from Hagoromo by directly gaining his chakra. (Same method of awakening, only different way of doing it.)

 

[UzumakiRyu]

Madara awoke the Rinnegan by combining Ashura and Indra's chakra, creating Hagoromo's chakra, thus awakening the Rinnegan. (This was explained by Hagoromo himself.)

Sasuke gained the Rinnegan directly from Hagoromo by directly gaining his chakra. (Same method of awakening, only different way of doing it.)

Where do you think he got Ashura's chakra from at that time?.......

It's so obvious your trying to separate Hashirama Senju's DNA from Ashura's at the time of VoTe and Madara's from Indra's, when in fact they are one in the same until Sasuke and Naruto were born and Ashura and Indra decided to be reborn into them.

 

[Shinato]

Where do you think he got Ashura's chakra from at that time?.......

It's so obvious your trying to separate Hashirama Senju's DNA from Ashura's at the time of VoTe and Madara's from Indra's, when in fact they are one in the same until Sasuke and Naruto were born and Ashura and Indra decided to be reborn into them.

I'm not trying to separate anything. You're the one that stated that Hashirama's DNA still has Ashura's DNA. (Otherwise you forgot to mention VoTE in your original comment, or you just changed opinion.) I stated that by combining Ashura and Indra's chakra you gain Hagoromo's chakra, thus awakening the Rinnegan. (That is how you awaken it.) Sasuke never gained Ashura's chakra as it was never needed as he directly gained Hagoromo's chakra.

Hashirama's DNA no longer contains Ashura's chakra.

 

[UzumakiRyu]

I'm not trying to separate anything. You're the one that stated that Hashirama's DNA still has Ashura's DNA. (Otherwise you forgot to mention VoTE in your original comment, or you just changed opinion.) I stated that by combining Ashura and Indra's chakra you gain Hagoromo's chakra, thus awakening the Rinnegan. (That is how you awaken it.) Sasuke never gained Ashura's chakra as it was never needed as he directly gained Hagoromo's chakra.

Hashirama's DNA no longer contains Ashura's chakra.

Actually to be honest I can't remember if Madara had that face on his chest before he died and that's my whole theory to him getting Hashirma's flesh to awaken the Rinnegan by having a part of Hashirma's DNA and through him Ashura's. having both he had the requirements to awaken the Rinnegan but now I'm thinking that Kabuto added the face to Madara during resurrecting him to make him stronger so I'm kinda lost in my own thoughts...gonna go sleep now i think will pick this up tmr lol