BenjerminGaye
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Blind madara can't gather natural energy but sure knuff had senjutsu by stealing it from hashirama.
Sasuke doesn't pocesses Senjutsu!!!
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He had a hashirama breast implant that helped with that
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OP, you make a very good argument. People need to remember that Sasuke and Kakashi aren't the only people that can create black lightning. A (3rd raikage) and Darui both had black lightning jutsu and they don't have senjutsu or Hagoromo' chakra. The question is how does one create black lightning.
I believe it has to do with the way chakra is manipulated not whether it has natural energy.
I believe it has to do with the way chakra is manipulated not whether it has natural energy.
We don't know if he could have handled it as well without having a portion of a true sm user implanted on his body, imho unless you can gather and convert natural energy you aren't an official user of legitimate senjutsu, Sasuke and madara can't do so without some sort of external source.
If Hagoromo's Chakra gives Senjutsu, then Madara wouldn't need SM from Hashirama to fight JJ Obito, when the former also possess Hagoromo's Chakra. So no, Sasuke doesn't have Senjutsu. Ever since the Curse Mark disappeared, he could no longer utilize Senjutsu.
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That's your opinion tho.
Manga fact dictates that he has used senjutsu.
Does that give him sage mode? Absolutely not.
Does it mean he can't use the chakra? Absolutely not. Seeing as madara called it child's play and sasuke's been doing it since 13.
Even kakashi did it.
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That makes no sense and the two events have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
He only used it once recently against madara and hasnt used it since so the scan proves nothing, especially since in his last clash with Naruto he used a regular one that was augmented with ama.Whats with lack of scan where sasuke has black chidory?
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No. I'd like proof of how you drew the conclusion that:
a) madara got hashirama's sage chakra to fight JJ Obito(obito wasn't even a jin at the time)
b)proof that having rinnegan gives you senjutsu.
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Actually this proves nothing.
Juubi by having 100% nature energy or jins still shown regular lightning no black.
The combined chakra of bijuus should be of NE and coincidentally sasuke felt NE at that moment too.
Then of course we have sasuke touching TSBs w/o any protection which logically can only be due to senjutsu.
Susanoo arrows werent negated as ninjutsu by TSBs, but caused explosion, indicated senjutsu once again.
I think much is overlooked in this regard
What if in case of madara senjutsu chakra was only limited to eyes, like that of MS is? While sasuke got full body one due to once having a yin mark.
Keep in mind that Obito despite being dead came back possessing sages chakra/senjutsu, thus it gets to be forever his once attained
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Naruto was NEVER confirmed to have onmyoudon so that didn't mean a thing. Not to mention he had next to no experience with his new found abilities, same as Sasuke who couldn't use multiple rinnegan techs at once. For all we know Naruto could have picked up that ability in the time skip.Actually this proves nothing.
Juubi by having 100% nature energy or jins still shown regular lightning no black.
The combined chakra of bijuus should be of NE and coincidentally sasuke felt NE at that moment too.
Then of course we have sasuke touching TSBs w/o any protection which logically can only be due to senjutsu.
Susanoo arrows werent negated as ninjutsu by TSBs, but caused explosion, indicated senjutsu once again.
I think much is overlooked in this regard
Naruto never mastered the TSB power. He couldn't use power to erase ninjutsu. Obito didn't gain that power until after he gained full control of the 10 tails.Actually this proves nothing.
Juubi by having 100% nature energy or jins still shown regular lightning no black.
The combined chakra of bijuus should be of NE and coincidentally sasuke felt NE at that moment too.
Then of course we have sasuke touching TSBs w/o any protection which logically can only be due to senjutsu.
Susanoo arrows werent negated as ninjutsu by TSBs, but caused explosion, indicated senjutsu once again.
I think much is overlooked in this regard
Obito took out half of the 3rd's body, but his body regenerated. Yet, the 4th's arm never regenerated.
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Oh really, how ironic, naruto fanboys are now on retcon LOL.
Onmyoudont ON or not TSB is still erases stuff neg diff, but it didnt with sasuke, still senjutsu
Irrelevant because sasuke still negate regular TSB erasing power.
Just like naruto did in base BSM mode vs madara via sage's chakra alone. You have no excuse now
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Not to mention Databook states that Gudo Dama have Yin-Yang in them, and it states that Hagoromo's power has Yin-Yang in it, meaning that's two reasons why Naruto would have it. There's also the fact that Six Path's Senjutsu users in control of themselves can negate Ninjutsu with the Gudo Dama, why in the world would Naruto not be the same?
That's very revelevant. It's proves that having the TSB doesn't mean you have onmyodont. What you said is like saying "having the ability to create wood mean you can create any wood jutsu". We all now that's not true. Onmyodont is a unique that requires the TSB to use.Oh really, how ironic, naruto fanboys are now on retcon LOL.
Onmyoudont ON or not TSB is still erases stuff neg diff, but it didnt with sasuke, still senjutsu
Irrelevant because sasuke still negate regular TSB erasing power.
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A) madara's an edo. It's impossible for him to take obito's place as jj since he isn't alive.
B)having the rinnegan doesn't mean you you senjutsu. Otherwise obito and nagato would have senjutsu as well.
You're mistaking Harogomo'Harogomo's gift for what noodles and sauce got themselves.