Sasuke doesn't pocesses Senjutsu!!!

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First of all the Chidori that push Naruto's TBB was an Enhance perfect susanoo Chidori.

Secondly Sasuke was able to cut Madara in half coz he used an enhance chidori with Hagoromo chakra!
Didn't you say that Rikudu chakra is what made chidori black? By your logic, Sasuke used a normal chidori since it wasn't black.


You're wrong on few points, ninjutsu also can harm juubi jins but senjutsu chakra can penetrate a juubi jins defence which ninjutsu chakra can't!!
Then why was Obito unharmed when he was hit with a rasenshuriken-enton combo?
 
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Sennin Mode=Sage Mode

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Sage Mode

The only proof of Naruto having RSM are the TSB and that same power Madara and Obito (who was said to use Sage mode) both have.

Rikudou chakra=senjutsu chakra, but higher grade
Now I understand. You are getting it all wrong.
Remember Madara actually absorb Hashirama sage chakra?
Now when Obito took portion of Hachibi and Shukaki he also took a little of Madara sage power.
 

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This is to prove (Manga proof) Sasuke doesn't pocesses Senjustu rather, he pocesses Hagoromo (Sage Chakra)



Senjutsu;
This refers to a specialized field of techniques that allows the user to sense and then gather the natural energy around a person.

Senjutsu users learn to draw nature energy inside them synchronizing it with their own chakra.
In humans, this new chakra enables them to enter a empowered state called Sage mode.

There are only three known users who were able to completely master this technique which are;
• Hashirama
• Naruto
• Kabuto.



Hagoromo Chakra;
Which Literally means Sage chakra or Rikudou chakra is special type of Chakra which can enhance an individual arsenal.


Naruto version; By mixing Hagoromo chakra with Senjutsu, Naruto awaken a technique known as Six path sage technique.

Madara stating Naruto pocess Senjutsu of six paths.
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This proves Hagoromo chakra isn't the same Senjutsu.


Sasuke Version;
After receiving half of Hagoromo's chakra, Sasuke Uchiha's left eye transformed into a Rinnegan containing six tomoe.
This means Sasuke received Hagoromo chakra not Senjutsu as people may say.


Also, people keep claiming Sasuke's Black chidori is as a result of Senjutsu.

[SIZE=+3]WRONG![/SIZE]

It's Hagoromo Chakra not Senjutsu.

Here, after getting Hagoromo (Sage) chakra, Kakashi was able to imbue his Rakiri with it.
Which change it's original color to black.

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Kakashi stating he has Hagoromo power.
Which made his Rakiri black.

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Note; For those who don't know how Kakashi got Hagoromo power..
After becoming the Juubi Jinchūriki, Obito was able to acquire some of Hagoromo chakra which he gave to Kakashi.


Conclusion;
This above points prove Senjustu isn't the same as Hagoromo chakra they are entirely different.
And also :sasuke: doesn't pocess Senjutsu instead he pocesses Hagoromo chakra.

Peace!!! :whip:
You are correct Sasuke dose not have nor dose know how to make Sage chakra Sharigan can't copy that. He only has Hagoromo basic chakra and Hagoromo basic chakra is stronger than Uchiha and Senju chakra, if The Uchiha and Senju had not divided and separated from each other from Indra and Ashura then they would all be born with Basic Hagoromo chakra. That why Madara was using both DNA To try and regain what the two clans lost when they separated from each other.
 

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Now I understand. You are getting it all wrong.
Remember Madara actually absorb Hashirama sage chakra?
Now when Obito took portion of Hachibi and Shukaki he also took a little of Madara sage power.
Power that he was ony able to take since he had been in sage mode b4 :coffee:
A person who can use Sage Mode can utilize senjutsu :hint:

You are correct Sasuke dose not have nor dose know how to make Sage chakra Sharigan can't copy that. He only has Hagoromo basic chakra and Hagoromo basic chakra is stronger than Uchiha and Senju chakra, if The Uchiha and Senju had not divided and separated from each other from Indra and Ashura then they would all be born with Basic Hagoromo chakra. That why Madara was using both DNA To try and regain what the two clans lost when they separated from each other.
Proven wrong by the fact that Kakashi gained the Same susano'o that Sasuke has by being possessed by Obito. Kakashi even said that becoming the Juubi jin enhanced Obito's eyes.

Obito already had Uchiha DNA and Hashirama cells.
Hagoromo's chakra is more than Uchiha and Senju. It contains the juubi's power as well which is senjutsu.
 
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Hagoromo born with the chakra of the Juubi already within his body. Juubi is composed of Nature Energy. Hagoromo has RSM as well so of course the chakra that he dishes out will be senjutsu.
If hagoromo born with sanjutsu chakra as his primary chakra that mean all shinobi that inherit chakra from his ninshuu must have or must be sanjutsu chakra as their primary chakra and not a normal chakra.

all chakra come from juubi itself, can you show me where is the scan that state hago spreading a chakra by getting rid first sanjutsu chakra andd turn it to non sanjutsu chakra before he spread it by ninshuu?

we also can said that hago while sealed the juubi inside his body is absorbing juubi sanjutsu chakra or other idea. That mean he not born with sanjutsu chakra from kaguya.
 
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The Six Paths Sage Technique is an empowered
state, similar to Sage Mode, which drastically
empowers all of the user's abilities to a far
greater extent by either having the Ten-Tails's
chakra or combining the Six Paths Sage Chakra
of all nine tail beast.

That's what the Link says.
Meaning the six path sage technique is an empowerd state similar to sage mode..
It's similar to Sage mode but it's not sage mode!
I hope you know that the six path sage technique is rikudou senjustu in kanji...do you?
 

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If hagoromo born with sanjutsu chakra as his primary chakra that mean all shinobi that inherit chakra from his ninshuu must have or must be sanjutsu chakra as their primary chakra and not a normal chakra.

all chakra come from juubi itself, can you show me where is the scan that state hago spreading a chakra by getting rid first sanjutsu chakra andd turn it to non sanjutsu chakra before he spread it by ninshuu?

we also can said that hago while sealed the juubi inside his body is absorbing juubi sanjutsu chakra or other idea. That mean he not born with sanjutsu chakra from kaguya.
1. U r talking kinda weird so I can barely get what u r saying. But yes hagoromo spread his chakra around to further ninsuu. Do you know how ninshuu is done. The only successful times of it being done were between Naruto and Obito when they were talking in each other's mind and when Naruto and Sasuke fight
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Obito Juubi jin=Rikudou chakra which is necessary for ninshuu
Naruto and Sasuke=Indra and Ashura, Indra+Ashura=Rikudou

So in both cases Rikudou chakra was necessary for Ninshuu, so if Hagoromo intended to use ninshuu to connect ppl he would need to use Rikudou chakra. So indeed everyone's roots come from this chakra. However the generations weaken over time and their chakra probably even after the first generation became not rikudou chakra, but a weaker form of chakra. Incapable of ninshuu
 

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1. U r talking kinda weird so I can barely get what u r saying. But yes hagoromo spread his chakra around to further ninsuu. Do you know how ninshuu is done. The only successful times of it being done were between Naruto and Obito when they were talking in each other's mind and when Naruto and Sasuke fight
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Obito Juubi jin=Rikudou chakra which is necessary for ninshuu
Naruto and Sasuke=Indra and Ashura, Indra+Ashura=Rikudou

So in both cases Rikudou chakra was necessary for Ninshuu, so if Hagoromo intended to use ninshuu to connect ppl he would need to use Rikudou chakra. So indeed everyone's roots come from this chakra. However the generations weaken over time and their chakra probably even after the first generation became not rikudou chakra, but a weaker form of chakra. Incapable of ninshuu
but where it state that hago chakra is pure sanjutsu chakra and not a normal but very powerful chakra?
 
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I think he can get senjutsu via jugo's dna but other than that I don't think he has senjutsu or more specifically sage mode.
 

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Madara has all those Power

Sage draws power from nature and Nature powers are Senjutsu

Sage Mode produces Senjutsu
 

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Power that he was ony able to take since he had been in sage mode b4 :coffee:
A person who can use Sage Mode can utilize senjutsu :hint:


Proven wrong by the fact that Kakashi gained the Same susano'o that Sasuke has by being possessed by Obito. Kakashi even said that becoming the Juubi jin enhanced Obito's eyes.

Obito already had Uchiha DNA and Hashirama cells.
Hagoromo's chakra is more than Uchiha and Senju. It contains the juubi's power as well which is senjutsu.
He did not have Hagoromo chakra in His system For both the First Hokage and Madara were already several generations removed fro Hagoromo their DNA to quote Obito pretending to be Madara was water down. The Senju and Uchiha DNA is now far away separated fro its original source in Hagoromo or in Indra and Ashura.
 

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Sasuke has senjutsu as senjutsu is needed to hurt perfect jins. He cannot gather it himself but Harogomo who can gave it to him along with the seal.
It's influence on his attacks is up to him but it's overall effects are passive and outside of his control.
 
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According to this Logic, I can as well say Jiraiya also had Hagoromo chakra, Since Senjutsu = Hagoromo chakra right?
Nope. Hagoromo's chakra is Senjutsu, but all Senjutsu isn't Hagoromo's chakra. Same exact reasoning with the square and rectangle. All rectangles are squares, but all squares aren't rectangles.
 

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He does have it, but not on the same level as Ashura's descendants. Hagoromo's chakra is Senjutsu because his body is the same as the Juubi's, which is natural energy in its raw form.
 

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I don't think he does, he can't gather and convert natural energy which is the one thing ALL other sm users have in common. Hagoromo chakra imho isn't full fledged senjutsu and imho all that does is allow him to interact with true senjutsu users and techs. But until he actually is shown gathering said energy, claiming Sasuke is a sm user is pure speculation at most.
 

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I don't think he does, he can't gather and convert natural energy which is the one thing ALL other sm users have in common. Hagoromo chakra imho isn't full fledged senjutsu and imho all that does is allow him to interact with true senjutsu users and techs. But until he actually is shown gathering said energy, claiming Sasuke is a sm user is pure speculation at most.
Having Senjutsu=/=Being a Sage Mode User.
 

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Your thread is completely incorrect by quite a few instances. The first one being the ability to touch orbs:

Madara automatically noted when Naruto kicked it away: . The first thing we notice is that he's using Senjutsu:

Sasuke stood on them easily by using it as a foothold, as a normal individual cannot touch those orbs: -

Then we have how TSBs cancel out and completely reduce techniques to dust through Tobirama and Hiruzen:

Similar to Onoki's Jinton. It turns all techniques to dust:



Tobirama: TSBs can't be touched and they render Ninjustu useless:

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Only Senjutsu works against him:


- Which is why Naruto's - and Sasuke's attacks as well - weren't erased.

None of Sasuke's techniques were cancelled out or disintegrated by Naruto's TSBs:

Chidori: It pushed the TSB back, smacking Naruto down into the lake below:

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Susano'o arrows - and it took quite a while for the TSBs to make it back to Naruto:

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Then we have Obito's incident:

- Madara comments how Obito sucked out the Sage's Senjutsu:
- In fact, he immediately sprouted a TSB and made a rod out of it as soon as he took out that Chakra:




Kakashi also calls the chakra Obito pulled out, the Sage's chakra:

Your thread is completely and utterly wrong. I am flabbergasted that so many people have shown agreement. The Sage's chakra is Senjutsu chakra, and Sasuke has it.

P.S: People still don't know the difference between SM user and Senjutsu user?

- A Senjutsu user is someone who handles raw Senjutsu - which would include the CS users and Sasuke.
- An SM user is someone who is capable to absorbing Natural Energy and creating a Harmony between three energies in the body.

The only different between the former and the latter is that the former skips the step of merging energies.
 
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