Sasuke does not have Tsukuyomi

[Draphsin]

Guess Sasuke's 3tomoe genjutsu had comparable effects to tsukuyomi then. It's not really my logic when it's the workings logic stated by both manga and databook concerning the technique(tsukuyomi)

How do you know he didnt deactivate it afterwards because of the strain..?

In any case tsukuyomi is a specific genjutsu that is only activated in one eye. Sasuke has shown us both of his MS jutsus, therefore saying he has tsukuyomi when there has been no indication of him doing so (through actually calling the jutsu by name) is incorrect.

Think of it this way, kishi showed us both eye jutsus. Kishi told us 1 jutsu per eye, there is nothing here to prove or even suggest he has it when we already know the nature of his two MS jutsus.

My point with my scans is that your "tsukuyomi effect" can be cast with a regular 3-T genjutsu, he does not have tsukuyomi in his eyes based on your evidence & I was simply being sarcastic. Your "proof" is not proof as its been contradicted.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

And? Fact remains he made eye contact, required for both Tsukuyomi or Sharingan genjutsu. So how do you know it wasn't tsukuyomi when both Sharingan genjutsu and tsukuyomi have the same requirements to be used?

Because Ay was able to continue to fight afterwards?If that was Tsukiyomi then Ay would be unable to fight.

 

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How do you know he didnt deactivate it afterwards because of the strain..?

In any case tsukuyomi is a specific genjutsu that is only activated in one eye. Sasuke has shown us both of his MS jutsus, therefore saying he has tsukuyomi when there has been no indication of him doing so (through actually calling the jutsu by name) is incorrect.

Think of it this way, kishi showed us both eye jutsus. Kishi told us 1 jutsu per eye, there is nothing here to prove or even suggest he has it when we already know the nature of his two MS jutsus.

My point with my scans is that your "tsukuyomi effect" can be cast with a regular 3-T genjutsu, he does not have tsukuyomi in his eyes based on your evidence & I was simply being sarcastic. Your "proof" is not proof as its been contradicted.

not necessarily both obito and kakashi use kamui just different form of controls.

 

[Bogard]

How do you know he didnt deactivate it afterwards because of the strain..?

Because he never activated MS until the point he almost got crushed by Raikage laiga bomb, otherwise Cee who was staring at his eyes(to be caught by the genjutsu) would have noticed it. On the contrary he was surprised to see it when Sasuke activated it at that point [

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In any case tsukuyomi is a specific genjutsu that is only activated in one eye. Sasuke has shown us both of his MS jutsus, therefore saying he has tsukuyomi when there has been no indication of him doing so (through actually calling the jutsu by name) is incorrect.

Think of it this way, kishi showed us both eye jutsus. Kishi told us 1 jutsu per eye, there is nothing here to prove or even suggest he has it when we already know the nature of his two MS jutsus.

My point with my scans is that your "tsukuyomi effect" can be cast with a regular 3-T genjutsu, he does not have tsukuyomi in his eyes based on your evidence & I was simply being sarcastic. Your "proof" is not proof as its been contradicted.

Fair enough

 

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[video=youtube;Xp1wiP1Uixs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp1wiP1Uixs[/video]

 

[Prime Rib]

sauske lacks the tsukyomoi prowess compared to itachi thats why he dont use it

 

[chaos control]

Even if Sasuke didn't have tsukuyomi with normal MS, he most definitely has it now since he has Itachi's eyes. He just doesn't use it. Never the less, I agree that the databook entry is outdated. That databook also said that Kamui was unique to Kakashi, but we now know that to be false. It's obvious that Kishi is just sticking with the current time when he writes the data books. His data is constantly changing as the series progresses.

 

[Draphsin]

not necessarily both obito and kakashi use kamui just different form of controls.

Still 1 jutsu per eye.

There has never been a mangekyou with two jutsus in one eye.

[video=youtube;Xp1wiP1Uixs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp1wiP1Uixs[/video]

Anime = non canon

My example shows sasuke using a similar genjutsu (with eye damage & paralysis) with a regular 3-T. That is not tsukuyomi, he has enton & amaterasu.

 

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Still 1 jutsu per eye.

There has never been a mangekyou with two jutsus in one eye.



Anime = non canon

My example shows sasuke using a similar genjutsu (with eye damage & paralysis) with a regular 3-T. That is not tsukuyomi, he has enton & amaterasu.

BS. the anime is just as canon as the manga that is the fight between sasuke and killer bee which was present in the manga. and why would sasuke activate MS just for a normal genjutsu? and dude you dont know if more that one mangekyo power can be in a eye simply because ms hasnt been fully explained.

 

[Draphsin]

BS. the anime is just as canon as the manga that is the fight between sasuke and killer bee which was present in the manga.

That doesnt matter, manga is the only canon which was my point.

Anyways that video is not tsukuyomi, did sasuke say it? No, so you are wrong.

and why would sasuke activate MS just for a normal genjutsu?

I guess mangekyou genjutsus are more powerful. You can't say it was tsukuyomi when there is nothing stating that it was.

We know he can use mangekyou sharingan genjutsu as seen in kabuto's fight. Therefore him activating MS means nothing.

Maybe he tried to do it & failed, instead he created a regular sharingan genjutsu. Makes sense since he was testing amaterasu as well.

and dude you dont know if more that one mangekyo power can be in a eye simply because ms hasnt been fully explained.

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Top left, thanks.

 

[Tobi123]

Tsukuyomi + Amaterasu=Susanoo i made it quite simple i guess.

 

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That doesnt matter, manga is the only canon which was my point.

Anyways that video is not tsukuyomi, did sasuke say it? No, so you are wrong.



I guess mangekyou genjutsus are more powerful. You can't say it was tsukuyomi when there is nothing stating that it was.

We know he can use mangekyou sharingan genjutsu as seen in kabuto's fight. Therefore him activating MS means nothing.

Maybe he tried to do it & failed, instead he created a regular sharingan genjutsu. Makes sense since he was testing amaterasu as well.

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Top left, thanks.

your own picture proves that amaterasu and tsukuyomi is needed for susanoo and because sasuke doesnt shout out a name makes it wrong? no countless times jutsus have been used with with calling their names make kishi felt that he didnt have to hold your hands every time a jutsu is used because he already explained the requirements. and the anime expands upon what it takes from the manga the anime is canon.

 

[Draphsin]

your own picture proves that amaterasu and tsukuyomi is needed for susanoo

Wrong that picture proves that Itachi needes to awaken ama/tsuku in order to unlock susanoo.

and because sasuke doesnt shout out a name makes it wrong? no countless times jutsus have been used with with calling their names make kishi felt that he didnt have to hold your hands every time a jutsu is used

No it doesnt make it wrong however as I already stated countless times ama & enton are sasuke's two jutsus. He awakened those jutsus & susanoo. Tsukuyomi was never mentioned by name yet enton & ama were. Enton & ama come out of two different eyes & two MS jutsus in each eye are needed to unlock susanoo. So yes in this instance sasuke not naming out tsukuyomi means he didnt use it.

because he already explained the requirements.

Yes, those who awaken the double mangekyou have access to the third power; susanoo. Tsukuyomi/ama are Itachi's double mangekyou powers, ama/enton are sasuke's.

and the anime expands upon what it takes from the manga the anime is canon.

Wrong. Anime expanded pein vs kurama. Kurama was breathing fire, does that mean kurama can now canonically breathe fire? No, the anime adds in what they wish whenever they want & therefore it is not canon.

Example 1 was above, example 2 is in episode 322, madara spammed multiple fireballs which was not shown in the manga. Example 3 is the color of susanoo which is yellow for Itachi, & dark blue for sasuke. They changed it, therefore they are not canon.

 

[Bronze]

I could have swore that he used it on Killer Bee.

manga and DB said you need Tsukuyomi for Susanoo. Don't know why people deny that.

 

[TheTailedSage]

He has susano'o. You need ammy and Tsukyomi to have it. This is common sense. Why are we still talking about it?

 

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I could have swore that he used it on Killer Bee.

manga and DB said you need Tsukuyomi for Susanoo. Don't know why people deny that.

he did but these guys keep denying it

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[Bronze]

he did but these guys keep denying it

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The only evidence they provide is pathetic speculation. Manga > speculation.

 

[Draphsin]

he did but these guys keep denying it

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I love how you completely ignore my rebuttal to this point..

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Manga says sasuke can do the same thing with his regular 3-T sharingan & in the other eye no less. Therefore this "proof" is nothing but speculation on your part.

The only evidence they provide is pathetic speculation. Manga > speculation.

I'm disappointed Madara Rules...You should read the thread before posting.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

He has susano'o. You need ammy and Tsukyomi to have it. This is common sense. Why are we still talking about it?

Because that information is outdated and the manga recently said you need to unlock the ocular powers in both eyes to use Susanoo.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

The only evidence they provide is pathetic speculation. Manga > speculation.

Go back a page and you'll see I posted a manga scan that says you need to unlock the MS in both eyes to use Susanoo.