Sasuke does not have Tsukuyomi

[Shadow Phantasm]

yet that doesnt prove that enton is the second power

So you want to ignore manga scans that prove you wrong?

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Yes it does

Show me another scan of a uchiha using two MS jutsus with one eye. You can't therefore you saying that he has tsukuyomi in an eye that's occupied by a jutsu is completely false.

Sasuke showed us enton, & he showed us amaterasu (both by name), sasuke has never activated by name another jutsu in his eyes besides susanoo, therefore saying that he has tsukuyomi is based on zero proof & its just your speculation.

Have a nice day =D

I'm about ready to call it quits at this point.If manga scans don't convince him that Sasuke does'nt have Tsukiyomi then nothing will.

 

[Bogard]

That was'nt Tsukiyomi Madara used on Ay,hell Onoki even said that Madara's genjutsu is on such a level that they should'nt make eye contact otherwise they would be finished.

Fact remains he still looked in his eyes in the end. It was tsukuyomi that he used. The result is the same "collapse of opponent's psyches"

 

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Jesus you are stubborn....Infinite Tsukiyomi refers to the moon where the Juubi's jinchuriki can cast a powerful genjutsu on and use the Juubi's power to broadcast it across the entire world.

and what the most powerful genjutsu only a uchiha can cast?

 

[Draphsin]

Sasuke does have tsukuyomi, only that he is(or i'd rather say was since we don't know now) unable to control the length of the illusion

Tsukuyomi is described both in the manga and databook as a jutsu that makes the opponent's psyches collapse, something that both Sasuke and Madara have already shown in the manga

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Itachi isn't the only tsukuyomi user. Madara and Sasuke are tsukuyomi users as well. But Itachi was particularly skilfull with tsukuyomi to the point he is capable to make a lengthy illusion of 3days happen in few seconds. The only difference is the time control between the user, nothing more. We don't know about Madara however, but it's the only limit presented on Sasuke's tsukuyomi so far

Oh no bogard please dont make me solo you....


I guess by your logic then sasuke has tsukuyomi in both eyes?

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[Shadow Phantasm]

Fact remains he still looked in his eyes in the end. It was tsukuyomi that he used. The result is the same "collapse of opponent's psyches"

Any genjutus can do that if the user is skilled enough,Onoki told everyone to not look in Madara's eyes because his genjutu is very powerful.

 

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So you want to ignore manga scans that prove you wrong?

yet you ignore every scan that hints at sasuke having tsukuyomi

 

[Sefirosu Masamune]

yet that doesnt prove that enton is the second power

Actually it does. This may be sasuke's second power.

The uchiha seem to have different MS abilities.

Shisui with KA
Itachi had Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, most likely symbolizing his genjutsu mastery and fire mastery.
Obito with his kamui.
Both eyes have two powers. the two powers could be different for each uchiha. Not all uchiha will be able to unlock susanoo, this is true, but not all uchiha will have the same two powers. because sasuke, itachi and madara, all seem to have different sets of powers, but the same jutsu [susanoo], this supports the theory that the two powers are not required to be the same.

All in all it cant be confirmed or disproven at this point in the manga. until we get more intel it will be a deadlock on weather sasuke has tsukuyomi or not.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

and what the most powerful genjutsu only a uchiha can cast?

Any kind they want?I think you are under estimating the power of the Juubi since it can make even the weakest genjutsu powerful enough to be on Tsukiyomi levels.

 

[Bogard]

Any genjutus can do that if the user is skilled enough,Onoki told everyone to not look in Madara's eyes because his genjutu is very powerful.

Fact remains that he did look in Madara's eyes in the end, so the point?

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

yet you ignore every scan that hints at sasuke having tsukuyomi

Which ones?Post the scans where Sasuke is mentioned to have Tsukiyomi,I'll be waiting right here.

 

[Bogard]

Oh no bogard please dont make me solo you....


I guess by your logic then sasuke has tsukuyomi in both eyes?

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Was it really tsukuyomi there? I see 3tomoes sharingan

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Fact remains that he did look in Madara's eyes in the end, so the point?

The point is Madara did'nt use Tsukiyomi at any point in the manga otherwise Hashirama would have said so.

 

[Draphsin]

Was it really tsukuyomi there? I see 3tomoes sharingan

He was holding his eye, Cee collapsed. All indications of tsukuyomi going by what you said, I'm just confirming your logic.

 

[-Spoiler-]

Actually it does. This may be sasuke's second power.

The uchiha seem to have different MS abilities.

Shisui with KA
Itachi had Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, most likely symbolizing his genjutsu mastery and fire mastery.
Obito with his kamui.
Both eyes have two powers. the two powers could be different for each uchiha. Not all uchiha will be able to unlock susanoo, this is true, but not all uchiha will have the same two powers. because sasuke, itachi and madara, all seem to have different sets of powers, but the same jutsu [susanoo], this supports the theory that the two powers are not required to be the same.

All in all it cant be confirmed or disproven at this point in the manga. until we get more intel it will be a deadlock on weather sasuke has tsukuyomi or not.

shisui and obito cant be used as prime example since activating ms obito never controlled both eyes and there isnt enough info on shisui. hell madara shown his susanoo but not his other ms powers and even with izanagi danzo was able to use it and so was obito. that alone shows you not all ms powers are unique ( enton, izanami and KA) are the only exceptions and with izanami proves there is more that just three ms powers to a user

 

[Bogard]

The point is Madara did'nt use Tsukiyomi at any point in the manga otherwise Hashirama would have said so.

*Sigh* Tsukuyomi or Sharingan genjutsu both require eye contacts. If A didn't make eye contact, he would have never been caught by any genjutsu tsukuyomi or not

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

shisui and obito cant be used as prime example since activating ms obito never controlled both eyes and there isnt enough info on shisui. hell madara shown his susanoo but not his other ms powers and even with izanagi danzo was able to use it and so was obito. that alone shows you not all ms powers are unique ( enton, izanami and KA) are the only exceptions and with izanami proves there is more that just three ms powers to a user

Izanami and Izanagi can be used with a regular Sharingan so that does'nt prove anything.

 

[Bogard]

He was holding his eye, Cee collapsed. All indications of tsukuyomi going by what you said, I'm just confirming your logic.

Guess Sasuke's 3tomoe genjutsu had comparable effects to tsukuyomi then. It's not really my logic when it's the workings logic stated by both manga and databook concerning the technique(tsukuyomi)

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

*Sigh* Tsukuyomi or Sharingan genjutsu both require eye contacts. If A didn't make eye contact, he would have never been caught by any genjutsu tsukuyomi or not

Did you notice how Madara was holding Ay in place?He likely did'nt have time to react since Madara caught him so quickly.

 

[Bogard]

Did you notice how Madara was holding Ay in place?He likely did'nt have time to react since Madara caught him so quickly.

And? Fact remains he made eye contact, required for both Tsukuyomi or Sharingan genjutsu. So how do you know it wasn't tsukuyomi when both Sharingan genjutsu and tsukuyomi have the same requirements to be used?