Sasuke DOES NOT have tsukuyomi

[-Vegeta-]

who said he was straining, he could have been focusing. close your eye and use the other to stare at something for more than ten seconds, you will have your eye fell like its straining and moving

Lol it's sad how far you speculate to try and prove me wrong. All of which are ridiculous speculations anyway. I've provided facts while you've provided nothing. He also has sweat running down his face and I don't believe that would happen if he was just focusing.

 

[orona]

Way to make everyone else who helped feel crap. Douche lol

actually i messed that up. the manga page that you posted is what really has me thinking cuz itachi says that susanoo requires amat and tsuku but even then that would mean that itachi sasuke and madara all randomly recieved the exact same ms techs by sheer chance, whereas kakashi/obito gained kamui in the left and we don't know what in the right and shisui gained koto amatsukami in the right and we don't know what in the left. it just seems to me that theres no way that susanoo is that rare if getting the ms is as simple as killing your bestfriend(not morally simple but physically) there's no way that having the susanoo comes down to straight up dumb luck

 

[Blaze Release]

One last point is that regular genjutsu doesn't put a strain on the eyes. The genjutsu Sasuke used against Shi put a strain on his eyes further proving my point that he does possess tsukuyomi.

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I think we all know that, but that didn't really have anything to do with this thread lol. This thread is about whether Sasuke possesses tsukuyomi or not.

Thats me saying he has tsukuyomi but it isnt on itachi's level

Btw the genjutsu sasuke used on C was a nromal sharigan genjutsu and not tsukuyomi;

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[Punk Hazard]

Lol it's sad how far you speculate to try and prove me wrong. All of which are ridiculous speculations anyway. I've provided facts while you've provided nothing.

ive provided logic

this is a debate, in a debate, you can post all the pics you want as evidence, but if someone can disprove it with logic, then its useless evidence

your claims

1. tobi and danzo compared sasuke's tsukiyomi to itachi's

my logic: notice they never said sasuke's tsukiyomi, only sasuke's genjutsu. why is this so? they openly referred to itachi's tsukiyomi as just that, but what made it special for sasuke?

2. narutopedia

logic: thats fanmade. today, it could say susanoo requires two MS, tomorrow it could say a chipmunk and a gallon of piss. you know why? its not official, its fanmade by gathering info from the manga and other speculations. some of the articles are reliable and backed up by the manga, others are assumptions, such as madara has amaterasu and tsukiyomi. where in the manga does it say this? that proves that narutopedia isnt always reliable

3. another forum

logic: how is that more reliable than what ive seen here?

overall: its easy to link me to a databook thats in japanese and claim it says what you say, since i cant read japanese, but its still not enough evidence

this is a debate, dont expect everyone to immediately agree with you, if youre not prepared to defend why your evidence is right and you just want to ignore others, dont come to the dabate

 

[-Vegeta-]

Thats me saying he has tsukuyomi but it isnt on itachi's level

Btw the genjutsu sasuke used on C was a nromal sharigan genjutsu and not tsukuyomi;

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There's really no proof of that. Itachi used tsukuyomi when he had his regular sharingan active as well.

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And like I said regular genjutsu doesn't put a strain on the users eyes.

 

[TheSages456]

Of course he had tsukiyomi. It was so obvious that kishi didnt even feel the need to explain it. Any genjutsu as a matter of fact that is used with the ms activated excluding koto amutsukami is tsukiyomi until stated otherwise.

 

[orona]

One last point is that regular genjutsu doesn't put a strain on the eyes. The genjutsu Sasuke used against Shi put a strain on his eyes further proving my point that he does possess tsukuyomi.

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I think we all know that, but that didn't really have anything to do with this thread lol. This thread is about whether Sasuke possesses tsukuyomi or not.

sorry bro, no ms

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[orona]

sasuke has been using an ms genjutsu.He hasn't been using regular genjutsu,the only thing about sasuke genjutsu is that it is not able to manipulate space and time of opponents brain like itachi.

ok whatever he's been using stronger than average gen but still not tsukuyomi

 

[-Vegeta-]

ive provided logic

this is a debate, in a debate, you can post all the pics you want as evidence, but if someone can disprove it with logic, then its useless evidence

your claims

1. tobi and danzo compared sasuke's tsukiyomi to itachi's

my logic: notice they never said sasuke's tsukiyomi, only sasuke's genjutsu. why is this so? they openly referred to itachi's tsukiyomi as just that, but what made it special for sasuke?

2. narutopedia

logic: thats fanmade. today, it could say susanoo requires two MS, tomorrow it could say a chipmunk and a gallon of piss. you know why? its not official, its fanmade by gathering info from the manga and other speculations. some of the articles are reliable and backed up by the manga, others are assumptions, such as madara has amaterasu and tsukiyomi. where in the manga does it say this? that proves that narutopedia isnt always reliable

3. another forum

logic: how is that more reliable than what ive seen here?

overall: its easy to link me to a databook thats in japanese and claim it says what you say, since i cant read japanese, but its still not enough evidence

this is a debate, dont expect everyone to immediately agree with you, if youre not prepared to defend why your evidence is right and you just want to ignore others, dont come to the dabate

Lol I never used any of those as proof. I've already given you a translation and the databook scan of it. If you can't accept it then that's on you. You've provided me with nothing that proves Sasuke doesn't have tsukuyomi.

sorry bro, no ms

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Look at the link I just posted above.

 

[lswhyte123]

look my bad bro im not trying to be rude that's just how i talk but still the reason im not agreeing with you is because the manga pages being quoted never actually state that he has it. aside from one where itachi is explaining susanoo which is so far the best proof and has me reconsidering.

even that databook entry has flaws because it states susanoo has yata mirror and sword of totsuka but those are only on itachi's susanoo which is leading me to believe that it's only refering to his, also the page showed only shows itachi not sasuke further evidence that it's all refering to just his

I get that you aren't getting infallable proof here but none of us can get anything other than what's online. Usually the stuff online has either been translated,which is open to mistake, or comes from Narutopedia which does in 98% of cases, tend to be right.
Just saying that we've given enough clues/evidence whatever you wanna call it, to give you reasonable doubt to think Sasuke can use it.
Also, it's only Tsukuyomi & Amaterasu that makes a MS user's eyes hurt. Which means that when Sasuke uses Amaterasu, his eye bleeds and he needs to cover it and also when he uses tsukuyomi his eye hurts and he covers it.

 

[iSpeak]

It should be pretty clear by now that he has Tsukuyomi, even though it hasn't been said directly. I don't see why Sasuke would need to activate his MS to cast a normal genjutsu.

 

[orona]

Of course he had tsukiyomi. It was so obvious that kishi didnt even feel the need to explain it. Any genjutsu as a matter of fact that is used with the ms activated excluding koto amutsukami is tsukiyomi until stated otherwise.

i wasn't aware that you made the rules for how the world of naruto works

 

[iSpeak]

There's really no proof of that. Itachi used tsukuyomi when he had his regular sharingan active as well.

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And like I said regular genjutsu doesn't put a strain on the users eyes.

Sasuke held his left eye, and Sasuke has Amaterasu in his left eye (Tsukuyomi in his right) so it couldn't have been Tsukuyomi.

 

[lswhyte123]

It should be pretty clear by now that he has Tsukuyomi, even though it hasn't been said directly. I don't see why Sasuke would need to activate his MS to cast a normal genjutsu.

Erm, no. Sorry that's BS. Uchiha clan use ocular Genjutsu but not all can use Tsukuyomi. Only the Best Sharingan users can awaken MS, then if they're even better they can use Amaterasu & Tsukuyomi.
What you say is rubbish. Although I do think Sasuke is using Tsukuyomi.

Show us Sasuke holding his left eye for Tsukuyomi? Don't just say it.

 

[Blaze Release]

There's really no proof of that. Itachi used tsukuyomi when he had his regular sharingan active as well.

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And like I said regular genjutsu doesn't put a strain on the users eyes.

We didnt get to see itachi's ms in the real world, but kakashi did and acknowledged that his sharigan design has changed.

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Everytime sasuke has used tsukyomi the ms is activated. Againt bee;

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Against danzo;

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[-Vegeta-]

Sasuke held his left eye, and Sasuke has Amaterasu in his left eye (Tsukuyomi in his right) so it couldn't have been Tsukuyomi.

Lol we don't know what eye tsukuyomi is in. Sasuke has amaterasu in his left and kagutsuchi(blaze release) in his right eye. It's never stated what eye Sasuke's tsukuyomi comes from.

 

[orona]

It should be pretty clear by now that he has Tsukuyomi, even though it hasn't been said directly. I don't see why Sasuke would need to activate his MS to cast a normal genjutsu.

i don't see why people keep saying that sasuke just isn't a good as itachi at using it because if it's the same technique he would be able to control space and time within a realm that he creates so far the only time any of his gen were even close to that was when he caught C but even then it wasn't tsukuyomi as he was able to talk before darui ever touched him

 

[TheSages456]

i wasn't aware that you made the rules for how the world of naruto works

Well you have zero proof that sasuke doesn't have tsukiyomi apart from really bad speculation . Every ms genjutsu used has been tsukiyomi apart from kotoamutsukami. So until proven otherwise every ms genjutsu used is tsukiyomi.

 

[-Vegeta-]

We didnt get to see itachi's ms in the real world, but kakashi did and acknowledged that his sharigan design has changed.

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Everytime sasuke has used tsukyomi the ms is activated. Againt bee;

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Against danzo;

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I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just saying there's no proof that it wasn't tsukuyomi. Also Kakashi didn't say anything about his eye changing. Itachi had his eyes closed anyway. He most likely just knew about the MS and its jutsu and that wouldn't really surprise me considering he knew about susanoo and had never even seen it before.

 

[iSpeak]

Erm, no. Sorry that's BS. Uchiha clan use ocular Genjutsu but not all can use Tsukuyomi. Only the Best Sharingan users can awaken MS, then if they're even better they can use Amaterasu & Tsukuyomi.
What you say is rubbish. Although I do think Sasuke is using Tsukuyomi.

Only the best Sharingan users can activate MS? Show me where it says that. To activate MS, you need to suffer the loss of a friend. Tobi has already said that many people awakened the MS by killing their best friend after Madara and Izuna had activated theirs.
Shisui was hailed as the best genjutsu user in the Uchiha clan, he was never shown to have Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi. He had Kotoamatsukami.
Stop making up things.