Sasuke does NOT have Senjutsu Chakra

[BlinkST]

Sage transformation doesn't require much training. Jugo's been doing it for a while now, and Sasuke has already demonstrated brilliant control over the Cursed seal. His own transformation is actually the least "monstrous" compared to most of them. I reckon the purpose of putting Jugo on the battlefield, is to explain where Sasuke got the ability from to use Sage transformation, when it does happen.

 

[xxSAGExx]

If you have not read the recent chapters, please do not read the following thread.

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Too damn many Sasuke-fanboys have been showing up, claiming Sasuke has Senjutsu Chakra or even SM. I'll prove this whole theory wrong today.

As we all know, Senjutsu Chakra is created when balanced with Physical, Mental and Natural Energy. This combination gives us SM. With this, you can create enhanced attacks and create even new. It is a drastic boostup, strong enough to fight on par with Sannin-level ninjas. But this kind of ability recquires insane amount of training and chakra skills. This is an ability that cannot be learned in a day.

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Now the rumours about Sasuke are that when Jugo lended some of his

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and chakra, he gained the ability of SM or to use Senjutsu abilities, which is not true.

Yes, when Sasuke got the flesh of Jugo, he instantly got his chakra too, which would be - Senjutsu Chakra. But not anymore.

My point is that it is true that he had it back then, but since he had to use Ninjutsu, the chakra perished. It may be also the reason why the Amaterasu was so big.

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So the question is: Does he have the chakra currently?

No. Since he used it already, which I assume he did, he has it no more. This was why Jugo had to lend some of his Hermit Chakra in this scan:

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In the scan, it's clearly been said ''lend''. This means Sasuke either had none or had too little. Too little for even sensors to sense. It's clear that he was fresh of Senjutsu Charka, even though he was in full load of normal.

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Can Sasuke get anymore of Senjutsu Chakra currently?

Hell no. As I just said, Hermit Mode needs insane kind of training. In Naruto's he was at risk of his own life. Sasuke needed to lend Jugo's Chakra just about few hours ago - how could he pull out that kind of powerup now? And because we know that CM is the Pseudo fom DSM, we can assume that the side-effects for it would be chakra drain. Since the CM was Pseudo, it could be that the side-effects were so little that it wasn't that life-threatening.

And he is fresh out of Senjutsu Chakra currently. He maybe can absorb Natural Energy, but does not know how to balance it. He attacked Obito with Amaterasu with no effects - which means he had no Senjutsu Chakra added to it. In this scan:

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And Obito did not know about the weakness of his powers. That's why he tried to eliminate the Amaterasu he thought as a threat.

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Answer to all at one:

Now I have proven that Sasuke could not have gained the access to SM, and does not know how to balance Senjutsu Chakra.
Since he needed to borrow some of it, means he was fresh out. If he really would've known how to absorb it, would had he borrowed it? No. And Obito's attack didn't work.

Now shut up Sauce-fanboys.

Yup, An even more simple way of answering this is going back to what Kabuto said, Orochimaru couldn't replicate Juugo's clan ability into another body. We all know Orchirama experiment on his test subjects and Sasuke was not the only person compatible to the Curse Mark so if he couldn't replicate the ability then Sasuke is not gaining it. Naruto has the Sage's Body so it's more likely that he can over Sasuke who only have the Sage's eye so nothing special about his body to make it able to replicate Juugo's clan ability.

Kabuto said only thru training can you could obtain SM. Also all Juugo did was give Sasuke skin, in CM form Sasuke would grow wings/snakes because the CM allowed him to regenerate cells like Juugo. It was nothing but that.

 

[Disquiet]

Did you... Even read?

I never said he can't use it. I said he can't make any ATM.
Sasuke's body was able to use CM. That is an ability found in people 1/100. And it has Senjutsu Chakra, but his CM is gone. So he can use it, but not make it. He cannot possibly absorb it conscious, since it needs training. Therefore, unless he is given Senjutsu Chakra, he has none.

And I never said Senjutsu needs an insane amount of Chakra - it's the training that needs an insane amount of time.

@Bold I can throw that right back at you, how did this refute anything I said?

Since you already believe his amaterasu may have been enhanced with senjutsu chakra (which entails knowing how to balance natural energy and normal chakra) , then you admit he may not need an insane amount of training, and can use it. You also explicitly stated he gained senjutsu chakra from Juugo's flesh. Juugo is there now with him, so how is it unlikely he won't get it....?

Can Sasuke get anymore of Senjutsu Chakra currently?

Hell no.

As we all know, Senjutsu Chakra is created when balanced with Physical, Mental and Natural Energy. This combination gives us SM. With this, you can create enhanced attacks and create even new. It is a drastic boostup, strong enough to fight on par with Sannin-level ninjas. But this kind of ability recquires insane amount of training and chakra skills. This is an ability that cannot be learned in a day.

Yes, when Sasuke got the flesh of Jugo, he instantly got his chakra too, which would be - Senjutsu Chakra. But not anymore.

It may be also the reason why the Amaterasu was so big.

You are clearly countering your own arguments. Yes, I did read. Did you read what you typed?

 

[UchihaNagashi]

@Bold I can throw that right back at you, how did this refute anything I said?

Since you already believe his amaterasu may have been enhanced with senjutsu chakra (which entails knowing how to balance natural energy and normal chakra) , then you admit he may not need an insane amount of training, and can use it. You also explicitly stated he gained senjutsu chakra from Juugo's flesh. Juugo is there now with him, so how is it unlikely he won't get it....?









You are clearly countering your own arguments. Yes, I did read. Did you read what you typed?

The only thing that is wrong, is my arguement saying: Can he GET. If he gets from Jugo that is.

Otherwise others are BS.

Look at this scan bro:

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I gave him my own flesh AND Chakra.

Not I gave him my flesh that originally has my Chakra.

Naruto knew how to absorb it. Still enough? No.

He had to learn how to balance it. Otherwise no SM. And Pseudo-SM is forcing all your chakra out and balancing it automatically with the same amount of Nature at the same time. Since he has no CM, he can't to that state.

Your arguement is invalid sir. Better luck next time.

 

[Disquiet]

The only thing that is wrong, is my arguement saying: Can he GET. If he gets from Jugo that is.

Otherwise others are BS.

Look at this scan bro:

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I gave him my own flesh AND Chakra.

Not I gave him my flesh that originally has my Chakra.

Naruto knew how to absorb it. Still enough? No.

He had to learn how to balance it. Otherwise no SM. And Pseudo-SM is forcing all your chakra out and balancing it automatically with the same amount of Nature at the same time. Since he has no CM, he can't to that state.

Your arguement is invalid sir. Better luck next time.

....That's not the only thing wrong with your argument. Naruto knew how to absorb it, but he didn't know how to balance it. Again, In your own words, in the OP, you explicitly stated that Senjutsu chakra in the balancing of natural energy and chakra. You then once again, in your own words, stated that Juugo gave him Senjutsu chakra. You even stated that he used it to enhance his amaterasu, even if not true, it displays your logic on the situation, it is not farfetched to you that he can use it.

You then stated that he's not going to get senjutsu chakra. Do you really not see the problem here?


Your entire thread is now invalid.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

....That's not the only thing wrong with your argument. Naruto knew how to absorb it, but he didn't know how to balance it. Again, In your own words, in the OP, you explicitly stated that Senjutsu chakra in the balancing of natural energy and chakra. You then once again, in your own words, stated that Juugo gave him Senjutsu chakra. You even stated that he used it to enhance his amaterasu, even if not true, it displays your logic on the situation, it is not farfetched to you that he can use it.

You then stated that he's not going to get senjutsu chakra. Do you really not see the problem here?


Your entire thread is now invalid.

I see what you did there. But you did it wrong. You don't see what I'M getting at.

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I already told you. If only Jugo gives him the chakra, he can't get it.

Sasuke's body was compatible with Jugo's CM. CM is the Pseudo-SM, which is like Sora's Kyuubi Chakra. But it's not based on something, and the source is Chakra alone. No SM is reached within that state.

Now Sasuke lost his CM, in Itachi fight. He didn't have any kind of access to it anymore. But it was still okay if implanted.

Jugo gave him his flesh AND Senjutsu Chakra. Not flesh that has originally his Chakra with it. So, now he got the power back. But there's a problem - Sasuke has no signs of CM. Why?

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Because he got only his flesh. Not the actual seal. They're different.

He may have not noticed it, but when he was given Senjutsu Chakra, it originally mixed with his normal. It's not all Senjutsu - a bit.

He used Amaterasu, without knowing that he had Senjutsu Chakra, and it became massive. Where's the Chakra now? Gone. Why? Because he used all of it.

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Now how can I prove he has no Senjutsu Chakra anymore?

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Sasuke used Amaterasu AGAIN, and it had no effect. Why? 'Cause he had no Senjutsu Chakra.

But Sasuke should be on full load right? Yeah true. But Senjutsu Chakra does no rever back to it's normal size, since you have to absorb it.

But shouldn't he know that? Don't think so. Even normal people were able to do it (Naruto). It needs training to know how to balance it.

Answer to all in one:

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Sasuke got Jugo's Chakra when he got the flesh. The Senjutsu Chakra naturally mixed to his Chakra, just like Naruto's and Kurama's in the first days. but since there was no continous contatcs, the Chakra perished everytime used. He used it unconsciously like Naruto. Basically Jugo was his ''Kurama'' or Bijuu.

And Sasuke cannot make some ATM. Senjutsu abilities need insane amount of training, which Sasuke has not gotten yet. And even though he may know how ot absorb it - he does not know how to balance it. And i believe he does not know even how to absorb it unconsciously, since if he did, he would be able to hit Obito with Amaterasu. But failed twice.

Did you get it now?

 

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You are saying, Sasuke has CM?

I don't even wish to reply to this kind of BS. You are going in my list of tards if you claim that.

Yes, because I obviously CARE a lot whether I am in your good books or not. Why bother with a thread? It's BS and you know it. Where is your proof regarding Amaterasu? Oh wait, there is none.

 

[Disquiet]

I see what you did there. But you did it wrong. You don't see what I'M getting at.

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I already told you. If only Jugo gives him the chakra, he can't get it.

Sasuke's body was compatible with Jugo's CM. CM is the Pseudo-SM, which is like Sora's Kyuubi Chakra. But it's not based on something, and the source is Chakra alone. No SM is reached within that state.

Now Sasuke lost his CM, in Itachi fight. He didn't have any kind of access to it anymore. But it was still okay if implanted.

Jugo gave him his flesh AND Senjutsu Chakra. Not flesh that has originally his Chakra with it. So, now he got the power back. But there's a problem - Sasuke has no signs of CM. Why?

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Because he got only his flesh. Not the actual seal. They're different.

He may have not noticed it, but when he was given Senjutsu Chakra, it originally mixed with his normal. It's not all Senjutsu - a bit.

He used Amaterasu, without knowing that he had Senjutsu Chakra, and it became massive. Where's the Chakra now? Gone. Why? Because he used all of it.

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Now how can I prove he has no Senjutsu Chakra anymore?

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Sasuke used Amaterasu AGAIN, and it had no effect. Why? 'Cause he had no Senjutsu Chakra.

But Sasuke should be on full load right? Yeah true. But Senjutsu Chakra does no rever back to it's normal size, since you have to absorb it.

But shouldn't he know that? Don't think so. Even normal people were able to do it (Naruto). It needs training to know how to balance it.

Answer to all in one:

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Sasuke got Jugo's Chakra when he got the flesh. The Senjutsu Chakra naturally mixed to his Chakra, just like Naruto's and Kurama's in the first days. but since there was no continous contatcs, the Chakra perished everytime used. He used it unconsciously like Naruto. Basically Jugo was his ''Kurama'' or Bijuu.

And Sasuke cannot make some ATM. Senjutsu abilities need insane amount of training, which Sasuke has not gotten yet. And even though he may know how ot absorb it - he does not know how to balance it. And i believe he does not know even how to absorb it unconsciously, since if he did, he would be able to hit Obito with Amaterasu. But failed twice.

Did you get it now?

Yes, I know you said Juugo can give him senjutsu chakra, I explicitly pointed that out. However, it doesn't make it any less of a contradiction on your part. Your thread didn't only revolve around him getting SM, but also that he won't get senjutsu chakra (which means you either made a mistake or aware of what you were saying).

And I commend you for not taking that back or saying it was some sort of mistake on your part (which I gave you the option to do in my first post). Now we can move on.

And even though he may know how ot absorb it - he does not know how to balance it.

Yeah, you said this in your thread as well.

He maybe can absorb Natural Energy, but does not know how to balance it.

This is good, because even though you have your doubts (whether justified or not), you agree that he maybe can absorb it.

So, you're saying either two things:


1. Juugo's flesh somehow helped him balance it.

It's simple, if he does not know how to balance it, then he would have started transforming. And if it's indeed Juugo's flesh that helped him balance it, then we can assume Juugo's flesh is still apart of him. While it's arguable that he could use up any senjutsu chakra given to him, it's impractical that he used up the flesh as well.

If you don't think Juugo's chakra helped him balance it (since again he would have transformed if it wasn't balanced). Then that brings us to number 2.

2. He did so on his own. This is the only other way.


So, we have you agreeing that he recieved senjutsu chakra from Juugo (which means he knows how to balance it).
And again, even though you may have your doubts about him being able to absorb it (justified or not), you, the OP who is trying to completely shut this idea down, agree that he maybe can absorb it.

He can definitely balance it, and as you say, maybe absorb it.

Yes, I get it. Do you get what just happened?

 

[UchihaNagashi]

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Yes, I know you said Juugo can give him senjutsu chakra, I explicitly pointed that out. However, it doesn't make it any less of a contradiction on your part. Your thread didn't only revolve around him getting SM, but also that he won't get senjutsu chakra (which means you either made a mistake or aware of what you were saying).

And I commend you for not taking that back or saying it was some sort of mistake on your part (which I gave you the option to do in my first post). Now we can move on.

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Yeah, you said this in your thread as well.





This is good, because even though you have your doubts (whether justified or not), you agree that he maybe can absorb it.

So, you're saying either two things:

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1. Juugo's flesh somehow helped him balance it.

It's simple, if he does not know how to balance it, then he would have started transforming. And if it's indeed Juugo's flesh that helped him balance it, then we can assume Juugo's flesh is still apart of him. While it's arguable that he could use up any senjutsu chakra given to him, it's impractical that he used up the flesh as well.

If you don't think Juugo's chakra helped him balance it (since again he would have transformed if it wasn't balanced). Then that brings us to number 2.

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2. He did so on his own. This is the only other way.


So, we have you agreeing that he recieved senjutsu chakra from Juugo (which means he knows how to balance it).
And again, even though you may have your doubts about him being able to absorb it (justified or not), you, the OP who is trying to completely shut this idea down, agree that he maybe can absorb it.

He can definitely balance it, and as you say, maybe absorb it.

Yes, I get it. Do you get what just happened?

Okay, now I may have gotten your whole point.

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Naruto was able to absorb Nature Energy at the late training. At first he did not know a damn thing about it, and needed the oil's help to get it. After the intense training, Naruto was able to sense it and absorb it without the oil. But it still was not mastered - he needed to learn how to balance it perfectly. Which he did.

Now let us think as Jugo's flesh is the oil. It is only a boostup for absorbing - not balancing. As you know oil only helps to absorb.

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Sasuke now has Jugo's flesh and can possibly absorb it. This is a great possibility. But Jugo's flesh does not give you a boostup for balancing - this has to be mastered. Why else do you think Kabuto went to Ryuchidou?

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Now how can I try to prove my point in this?

Using a theory.

As you know, Naruto has been given Kurama Chakra from the start of the series. And at first he did not notice who gave it to him - but noticed the quantity and quality of it. And everytime he used the Chakra, it gave him immense destructive power for Part I fights. And after that the Chakra perished.

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Now why am I telling you this?

Because it is basically the same situation as Jugo - Sasuke. When Naruto got the Chakra, it was stated that it mixed to his own. We can assume, that the same transfership was used in Jugo's and Sasuke's. And the reason why Sasuke did not transform or did not show any kind of differ in skin colour, was maybe because of this.

Jugo had fought against Killer B too and was low on Chakra. Since his Chakra was all made out of Senjutsu, he gave Sasuke the Senjutsu Chakra. But because he was still low on it, he did not give all of it. He only gave some to repair his fatal wounds.

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And because Sasuke was alive, he had Chakra. Since we assumed that the same transfership was used as in Naruto - Kurama, it mixed with his own. But because the Chakra was not that big, he did not change colour. Remember what Fukasaku said? ''With too much Senjutsu Chakra you turn into a statue, and with too little you are not able to use Senjutsu attacks''

What he meant by Senjutsu attacks was like Kawazu Kumite and other techniques. If you use it for one Ninjutsu technique, Senjutsu Chakra is gone.

Okay so the theory was like this:

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Sasuke got Jugo's flesh along with his Chakra. But as we assumed with the theory mentioned before, Sasuke did not need to balance it since Jugo had already done it. It was not Natural Energy - but Senjutsu Chakra.

As he got it, he may have not noticed it. Even though he had, he had already used it with Amaterasu. Since Senjutsu Chakra gains you immense powerup in Ninjutsu techniques, it cannot be used often unless you have someone to transfer it to you (Fukasaku).

Jugo acted as Sasuke's ''Fukasaku'', but since Sasuke did not know how to balance it and was not in continous Chakra contact with Jugo, his Senjutsu storage perished.

The second thing is that, I believe he does not know how to balance it. He would've gone to Ryuchido to train it, yet he had never heard about it (Kabuto vs. Itachi & Sasuke). If he had known this ability, he would've joined Naruto, Tobirama and Minato in the fight against Obito, which he did not do. Actually, he would've gone before them after absorbing the Energy. But because he did not know how to, he could not do anything.

 

[VolatileSoul]

Never say never they say. While I doubt he has Sage Mode, saying he has no abilities related to Natural Energy and will never get it is taking it too far. It was already set up. I doubt Kishi would go out of his way to give Sasuke Juugo's flesh, establish a connection with Juugo's abilities and natural energy, and then have Juugo pump him full of Natural Energy only to not take advantage of what he himself set up. True he may never get such an ability, but this fanbase of all things should know that nothing is impossible in this manga.

 

[Amaterasuice]

I agree that It would be bs if Sasuke got dsm randomly, but your enhanced Amaterasu thing is a very bad point. It's pure speculation. The reason the flame was so big is because Amaterasu spreads until it engulfs the whole target. Hachibi is very big, so it spreaded across his body in flames.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

I agree that It would be bs if Sasuke got dsm randomly, but your enhanced Amaterasu thing is a very bad point. It's pure speculation. The reason the flame was so big is because Amaterasu spreads until it engulfs the whole target. Hachibi is very big, so it spreaded across his body in flames.

It was pure speculation, correct.

But it still does not break the fact of my thread.

 

[Disquiet]

Okay, now I may have gotten your whole point.

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Naruto was able to absorb Nature Energy at the late training. At first he did not know a damn thing about it, and needed the oil's help to get it. After the intense training, Naruto was able to sense it and absorb it without the oil. But it still was not mastered - he needed to learn how to balance it perfectly. Which he did.

Now let us think as Jugo's flesh is the oil. It is only a boostup for absorbing - not balancing. As you know oil only helps to absorb.

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Sasuke now has Jugo's flesh and can possibly absorb it. This is a great possibility. But Jugo's flesh does not give you a boostup for balancing - this has to be mastered. Why else do you think Kabuto went to Ryuchidou?

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Now how can I try to prove my point in this?

Using a theory.

As you know, Naruto has been given Kurama Chakra from the start of the series. And at first he did not notice who gave it to him - but noticed the quantity and quality of it. And everytime he used the Chakra, it gave him immense destructive power for Part I fights. And after that the Chakra perished.

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Now why am I telling you this?

Because it is basically the same situation as Jugo - Sasuke. When Naruto got the Chakra, it was stated that it mixed to his own. We can assume, that the same transfership was used in Jugo's and Sasuke's. And the reason why Sasuke did not transform or did not show any kind of differ in skin colour, was maybe because of this.

Jugo had fought against Killer B too and was low on Chakra. Since his Chakra was all made out of Senjutsu, he gave Sasuke the Senjutsu Chakra. But because he was still low on it, he did not give all of it. He only gave some to repair his fatal wounds.

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And because Sasuke was alive, he had Chakra. Since we assumed that the same transfership was used as in Naruto - Kurama, it mixed with his own. But because the Chakra was not that big, he did not change colour. Remember what Fukasaku said? ''With too much Senjutsu Chakra you turn into a statue, and with too little you are not able to use Senjutsu attacks''

What he meant by Senjutsu attacks was like Kawazu Kumite and other techniques. If you use it for one Ninjutsu technique, Senjutsu Chakra is gone.

Okay so the theory was like this:

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Sasuke got Jugo's flesh along with his Chakra. But as we assumed with the theory mentioned before, Sasuke did not need to balance it since Jugo had already done it. It was not Natural Energy - but Senjutsu Chakra.

As he got it, he may have not noticed it. Even though he had, he had already used it with Amaterasu. Since Senjutsu Chakra gains you immense powerup in Ninjutsu techniques, it cannot be used often unless you have someone to transfer it to you (Fukasaku).

Jugo acted as Sasuke's ''Fukasaku'', but since Sasuke did not know how to balance it and was not in continous Chakra contact with Jugo, his Senjutsu storage perished.

The second thing is that, I believe he does not know how to balance it. He would've gone to Ryuchido to train it, yet he had never heard about it (Kabuto vs. Itachi & Sasuke). If he had known this ability, he would've joined Naruto, Tobirama and Minato in the fight against Obito, which he did not do. Actually, he would've gone before them after absorbing the Energy. But because he did not know how to, he could not do anything.

While I recognize the points you made that there may have been too little; thus preventing the transformation. I disagree on his being able not to balance it, partly because of a statement Juugo made (will explain later). The way it works, transformation is a direct result from not balancing it [

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Fukasaku, a teacher of sage arts, had to rely on visual appearance to know when to stop it [

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]. He has no way of knowing the amount consumed or how fast it is ingested. Consequently, since he doesn't know how much one is consuming, he doesn't have an actual idea how much is 'too much' or 'too little' for them, he's using their features to determine this. Tranformation equals "too much" and inability for ninjitsu attacks equals "too little". My point is, it's vague.

Since transformation is a direct result from absorbing it while not knowing to balance it [

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], conversely, non-transformation/incomplete transformation/control is a direct result from balancing it (when consuming 'too much'). As I explained, Fukasaku doesn't know how much is too much, neither does Juugo [

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]. Since he's compatible with my cursed seal, he should be able to handle it. This statement by Juugo is very significant, because it shows that even though Juugo may have gave Sasuke a little, he still acknowledged that little may have been too much to handle (for 'regular' people). This is what happens if one is not able to handle it [

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]. Even Fukasau explained that not balancing it transforms you.

So to sum that up, even if a little (which is vague), Juugo acknowledged Sasuke's ability to 'handle it' even while in control of how much he was giving him. Absorbing it = Transformation (if not able to balance it). Juugo couldn't have been talking about his ability to absorb (since it was him that was supplying him with it), but to balance it.

Also, in case it slipped by you, Preta Path absorbing Naruto's senjutsu chakra and transforming negates the argument that he didn't change because it was already balanced for him [

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Moving on; there's a second time Juugp gave him his chakra. This is significant as well, because as I mentioned earlier, Juugo made a statement that Sasuke should be able to handle the little chakra he gave him the previous time. Yet this time, he gives him even more. Enough for the Zetsus to retreat. Why did they even retreat? Most likely, because they wouldn't have been able to handle/balance the chakra being pumped into their bodies. Note; it was enough to make ALL six of them come out [

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Orochimaru explains that senjutsu chakra is imbued into the cursed seal

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. Yet, Sasuke was still unaware that this was incorporated with the power of nature. So why would he go train at Ryuchido? In fact not only did he possess this ability, Orochimaru mentioned it right in from of him, right after the Kabuto fight. Yet he still inquired about it in the war....we can only speculate his intentions (he may be planning something), but using his negligence to utilize it in battle or go train at Ryuchido so far isn't evidence he can't do it. Even Juugo didn't mention or do anything after Naruto explained this.


I also like to bring up another plausible possibility - Orochimaru. When he arrives at the battlefield, he can simply do this [

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[Transcendence]

CM is in the realm of possibilities, but not SM.

 

[SuperFlyzzED]

While I recognize the points you made that there may have been too little; thus preventing the transformation. I disagree on his being able not to balance it, partly because of a statement Juugo made (will explain later). The way it works, transformation is a direct result from not balancing it [

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]. He has no way of knowing the amount consumed or how fast it is ingested. Consequently, since he doesn't know how much one is consuming, he doesn't have an actual idea how much is 'too much' or 'too little' for them, he's using their features to determine this. Tranformation equals "too much" and inability for ninjitsu attacks equals "too little". My point is, it's vague.

Since transformation is a direct result from absorbing it while not knowing to balance it [

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], conversely, non-transformation/incomplete transformation/control is a direct result from balancing it (when consuming 'too much'). As I explained, Fukasaku doesn't know how much is too much, neither does Juugo [

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]. Since he's compatible with my cursed seal, he should be able to handle it. This statement by Juugo is very significant, because it shows that even though Juugo may have gave Sasuke a little, he still acknowledged that little may have been too much to handle (for 'regular' people). This is what happens if one is not able to handle it

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. Even Fukasau explained that not balancing it transforms you.

So to sum that up, even if a little (which is vague), Juugo acknowledged Sasuke's ability to 'handle it' even while in control of how much he was giving him. Absorbing it = Transformation (if not able to balance it). Juugo couldn't have been talking about his ability to absorb (since it was him that was supplying him with it), but to balance it.

Also, in case it slipped by you, Preta Path absorbing Naruto's senjutsu chakra and transforming negates the argument that he didn't change because it was already balanced for him.

Moving on; there's a second time Juugp gave him his chakra. This is significant as well, because as I mentioned earlier, Juugo made a statement that Sasuke should be able to handle the little chakra he gave him the previous time. Yet this time, he gives him even more. Enough for the Zetsus to retreat. Why did they even retreat? Most likely, because they wouldn't have been able to handle/balance the chakra being pumped into their bodies. Note; it was enough to make ALL six of them come out [

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Orochimaru explains that senjutsu chakra is imbued into the cursed seal

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. Yet, Sasuke was still unaware that this was incorporated with the power of nature. So why would he go train at Ryuchido? In fact not only did he possess this ability, Orochimaru mentioned it right in from of him, right after the Kabuto fight. Yet he still inquired about it in the war....we can only speculate his intentions (he may be planning something), but using his negligence to utilize it in battle or go train at Ryuchido so far isn't evidence he can't do it. Even Juugo didn't mention or do anything after Naruto explained this.


I also like to bring up another plausible possibility - Orochimaru. When he arrives at the battlefield, he can simply do this if need be [

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You're correct! I doubt that Sasuke needs a perfect Sage Mode either. I bet that as long as Sasuke can incorporate senjutsu on his attacks. Sasuke should be able to harm Juubito to a degree.

 

[Disquiet]

You're correct! I doubt that Sasuke needs a perfect Sage Mode either. I bet that as long as Sasuke can incorporate senjutsu on his attacks. Sasuke should be able to harm Juubito to a degree.

Yep, at the very least, that much is possible.


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Adding to my argument, Nagashi.


Juugo has been stating time and time again how much he 'worships' Sasuke, he does whatever he wants him to. He's basically an extension of his will. He's already been shown to detach his flesh and even give away his chakra, 'fusing' with another [

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] Similarly, he's also able to completely drain another of their chakra/organs [

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]. I say chakra because if he was dead, there wouldn't have been any chakra left within him, but it's possible he could have sucked out the organs (somehow adding them to his own). And if that samurai was alive (which is debatable), then he either sucked out their chakra and or organs. Either way, since he's all freakish, it's within reason he could sacrifice himself for Sasuke; giving him his body. In fact, that would probably be a dream for someone like Juugo, forever becoming apart of the person he's vowed to protect/serve. Juugo's personality is perfect for this. Do you see how Kishi have so much to work with?


It's all up to him really.

 

[Amaterasuice]

Yep, at the very least, that much is possible.


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Adding to my argument, Nagashi.


Juugo has been stating time and time again how much he 'worships' Sasuke, he does whatever he wants him to. He's basically an extension of his will. He's already been shown to detach his flesh and even give away his chakra, 'fusing' with another [

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] Similarly, he's also able to completely drain another of their chakra/organs [

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]. I say chakra because if he was dead, there wouldn't have been any chakra left within him, but it's possible he could have sucked out the organs (somehow adding them to his own). And if that samurai was alive (which is debatable), then he either sucked out their chakra and or organs. Either way, since he's all freakish, it's within reason he could sacrifice himself for Sasuke; giving him his body. In fact, that would probably be a dream for someone like Juugo, forever becoming apart of the person he's vowed to protect/serve. Juugo's personality is perfect for this. Do you see how Kishi have so much to work with?

That would work very well with the whole Sasuke/Jugo=Orochimaru/Kimimaro comparison that has been going on in the manga.

 

[SuperFlyzzED]

That would work very well with the whole Sasuke/Jugo=Orochimaru/Kimimaro comparison that has been going on in the manga.

It makes total sense!

 

[Disquiet]

That would work very well with the whole Sasuke/Jugo=Orochimaru/Kimimaro comparison that has been going on in the manga.

Indeed. It wouldn't surprise me at all.

 

[SuperFlyzzED]

Indeed. It wouldn't surprise me at all.

CM with Susanoo that will be OP! Susanoo will be ten times stronger! Who knows he might get PS just from all the stimuli