Sasuke can use kirin without rain (no preparation time required)

[bruce lee was uchiha]

the amount of chakra it would require to make an "artificial" kirin out of chakra instead actual lightning and to have anywhere near the same devastating effect, would completely drain sasuke of chakra and leave him on the verge of death. almost like how kakashi is after a few kamui's. the purpose of the attack is for it to be unblockable/undodgable. there is simply no way he could create a jutsu equivelant to the speed of lightning, and maintain the power.

 

[The Western Wheel]

He could. It's very rare, but it's actually possible for lightning to strike without any trace of thunderclouds. There just needs to be enought static in the air. Btw, when that happens, usually right after, clouds will form...

Very dry air contributes to this.

So yes, but without ANY prep time? don't think so. Conditions for lightning have to occur... logically.

 

[Uchicha Macho]

the amount of chakra it would require to make an "artificial" kirin out of chakra instead actual lightning and to have anywhere near the same devastating effect, would completely drain sasuke of chakra and leave him on the verge of death. almost like how kakashi is after a few kamui's. the purpose of the attack is for it to be unblockable/undodgable. there is simply no way he could create a jutsu equivelant to the speed of lightning, and maintain the power.

Sasuke was spamming amaterasu , susano and both power at the same time while fighting danzo.Do u think he will be tired if he use one jutsu ,kirin?

 

[Frikid]

well why don't you cry about it? That ws my "Polite" way of saying you are incorrect. You should be grateful. Look how nicely he's letting you down, unlike me, right here saying, you are WRONG!

While your looking up rules, why don't you check the ones about posting multiple threads about topics that have already been posted....
search bar much?

I am not crying about it, i am just trying to aware you of the rules.

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I was once infracted just because of posting a pic, and one of my threads got closed only because some people like you kept posting such "image replies " . So if you have anything to contribute to the thread , please do that.
And i respect everyone's opinion, even if you disagree with the thread, i respect your opinion, all i want is to keep this thread spam-free .

Also, a thread is allowed to be Re-created even if it exists in the base(only if the other gets one month old or more). All the similar other thread i tried to search were one month older, so it is completely fine to create this thread.

And lol, you made your situation worse now.

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You broke two rules in a row.

@everyone who disagree :
Please also state the reason why you disagree otherwise your doubts and misconceptions wont get cleared.

 

[Cosman]

IF narruto donot believe what this gguys saying is true then Sasuke have other power jutsu that we have not seen using base sharingan (since orichimaru stop him from using the jutsu).At the end of the day how will naruto stand up to the jutsu that base sharingan sasuke was stopped by orichimaru??

Dude... Kishimoto could care less about logic. Naruto will be as strong as Kishi needs him to be to put up a great fight. That's really all there is to it. No need to psyche yourself into believe anything else. Naruto will probably end up on top and that's really all she wrote. Logic gets trumped my "main character wins all" every single time.

 

[Penguin]

Doubt it. But nice theory though!

 

[Lamb]

I don't think he can call lightning without thunder clouds but I think he can still do the technique by creating lightning chakra but it will be weaker and will drain his chakra reserves. Just like these techniques.

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[Lamb]

I doubt sasuke can call lightning without thunder storms but I think it's possible for him to do the technique by creating lightning chakra like kakashi's lightning hound or darui's black panther. Only by this method the technique will be on a smaller scale and takes up alot of his chakra.

 

[Frikid]

Nah, the lightning is the jutsu's source of power, without it, he won't be able to use it. Just because he made a similar hand sign doesn't mean that he can use it without the most essential part, the lightning itself. At least, that's the way things stand as of now, until we actually see him use it without the storm.

This is a misconception. As seen in sasuke vs team yamato battle, sasuke can use it in a clear day, Orochimaru wont have stopped sasuke if he was going to use a regular low level jutsu, he thought sasuke went too far and that jutsu could have killed them.

I thought he had to use chidori to attract the lightning from the clouds any time, thats how he gained control of it.

Sasuke was out of chakra at that time, using chidori was impossible for him at that time.

I honestly doubt it.

And noooo.

State your reasons if you think so.

I disagree with you thinking orochimaru was scared of that jutsu and also his hideout was already in shambles and no longer of use so i disagree again, also i do not think he would kill naruto and team yamato because they are not fodder and if it were that easy sasuke would have used kirin again deidara.. Again i agree with the point of the thread but not much of the rest.

Kabuto politely asked sasuke to not to use that jutsu on them and there is no need of killing them.

There must be a lightning storm. How can he redirect the lightning when there is no one in the sky?

And while that may sound like a rare or even freakish event, it's not that uncommon for lightning to travel far from its originating cloud, experts say. In some cases, bolts have struck as much as 25 miles from where they originated. Scientists refer to these wayward streaks of electricity as "bolts from the blue," since it often seems as though the lightning comes out of a clear blue sky.

It is possible for lightning to strike even in a clear blue sky.
i can give you the website if you want.

I see where you´re coming from but I don´t believe that´s possible tbh
That would be too convenient, were it the case.
That pose is probably a coincidence.

No bro, that can't be a coincidence, it was kishi foreshadowing kirin. Also, there doesn't exist a jutsu which require such stance.

A thread like this was made sometime last year, I agreed but without natural lightning or stormy conditions i doubt it would have power anywhere close to the one he used against itachi.
Plus i lol'ed when you said Oro "Got Scared", He simply didn't want sasuke to use that Jutsu there and then, He wasn't "Scared" at all.

He needs storm clouds

Nah, I don't think so the power of Kirin comes from the manipulation of natural lightning, if he could use it any time it would be a lot weaker as there wouldn't be a sufficient source lightning in the sky

the amount of chakra it would require to make an "artificial" kirin out of chakra instead actual lightning and to have anywhere near the same devastating effect, would completely drain sasuke of chakra and leave him on the verge of death. almost like how kakashi is after a few kamui's. the purpose of the attack is for it to be unblockable/undodgable. there is simply no way he could create a jutsu equivelant to the speed of lightning, and maintain the power.

Sasuke can attract lightning from the sky, he says he can use the lightning from the sky and not his own chakra.
It is not necessary for the sky to be cloudy in order to have lightning.

He could. It's very rare, but it's actually possible for lightning to strike without any trace of thunderclouds. There just needs to be enought static in the air. Btw, when that happens, usually right after, clouds will form...
Very dry air contributes to this.
So yes, but without ANY prep time? don't think so. Conditions for lightning have to occur... logically.

Preparation time means he have to prepare/have favorable conditions of environment.Since sasuke have show evidence that he can use it in a clear sky, it is fine to believe he can use it anytime.

 

[End of Days]

No, he cannot

 

[6thpathsage]

Sasuke was spamming amaterasu , susano and both power at the same time while fighting danzo.Do u think he will be tired if he use one jutsu ,kirin?

Sasuke couldnt have killed naruto because he goes kyuubi v1 or v2 mode when his life his threatened (people forget part 1 logic still counts in shippuuden) and if somehow he does die = full kyuubi will be released and Sasuke WILL die.

But OT: NO clouds in the sky = no lightning, no lightning =/= kirin. Read up on how lightning works and relate it to why sasuke used the fire technique as prep.

 

[Frikid]

Sasuke couldnt have killed naruto because he goes kyuubi v1 or v2 mode when his life his threatened (people forget part 1 logic still counts in shippuuden) and if somehow he does die = full kyuubi will be released and Sasuke WILL die.

Even kyuubi was begging for naruto's life

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If naruto died , there , sasuke would have just used genjutsu on kyuubi and made him his pet. Just like how he did it with oro's snake manda. Lol, tbh, he genjutsu'd oro himself xD

but this is going off topic , so lets stay on topic.

 

[6thpathsage]

Even kyuubi was begging for naruto's life

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If naruto died , there , sasuke would have just used genjutsu on kyuubi and made him his pet. Just like how he did it with oro's snake manda. Lol, tbh, he genjutsu'd oro himself xD

but this is going off topic , so lets stay on topic.

why does the uchiha tablet and Itachi mention the need for a mangekyou sharingan to control the Kyuubi.

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Re read the manga picture you posted... Saying you will regret killing naruto =/= begging

 

[Frikid]

why does the uchiha tablet and Itachi mention the need for a mangekyou sharingan to control the Kyuubi.

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Re read the manga picture you posted... Saying you will regret killing naruto =/= begging

if you want to argue about it, lets take this to VMs Lol ...

 

[Exaar]

Sasuke can attract lightning from the sky, he says he can use the lightning from the sky and not his own chakra.
It is not necessary for the sky to be cloudy in order to have lightning.

Him having his arm up in the sky doesn't mean he was going to "attract lightning from the sky", It's simply how he uses the Jutsu.

He would've created the chakra/Lightning above his head (like the kirin that he did against itachi), Then swing his arm down to crash it into the ground.

Sasuke has never shown the ability to attract/create real lightning at will, irrelevant of weather conditions. Let alone attract the vast amount of lightning he did vs Itachi, if he could do that in the frist place, him creating storm clouds was completely pointless and a waste of chakra.

No matter what way you look at it, Without stormy conditions Kirin will be alot weaker.

He cannot attract lighting, If no lightning is present, His only option was to create lightning using his own chakra.

 

[Frikid]

Him having his arm up in the sky doesn't mean he was going to "attract lightning from the sky", It's simply how he uses the Jutsu.

He would've created the chakra/Lightning above his head (like the kirin that he did against itachi), Then swing his arm down to crash it into the ground.

That is not how kirin works.

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↑ Here sasuke clearly states he simply guides the lightning towards the target. He don't use his own chakra to create similar lightning bolt otherwise it wont have the same destructive power.

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Here zetsu confirms he took control the lightning .

Sasuke has never shown the ability to attract/create real lightning at will, irrelevant of weather conditions. Let alone attract the vast amount of lightning he did vs Itachi, if he could do that in the frist place, him creating storm clouds was completely pointless and a waste of chakra.

Creating lightning is no where near attracting lightning.
A human can't simply create lightning of that level as confirmed by zetsu.

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i wonder how sasuke would be able control lightning if he can't even attract it towards himself ?

No matter what way you look at it, Without stormy conditions Kirin will be alot weaker.
He cannot attract lighting, If no lightning is present, His only option was to create lightning using his own chakra.

As mentioned in the first scan of this post, sasuke says he guides the lightning towards his target and zetsu confirms it when he says that sasuke isn't going to use his own chakra, but natural lightning itself.
The functions of kirin involve use of natural lightning and not his own chakra to create similar lightning.

 

[TrollingSage]

Yes Yes he can. And Naruto can use BM without kurama's chakra.

 

[Exaar]

That is not how kirin works.

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↑ Here sasuke clearly states he simply guides the lightning towards the target. He don't use his own chakra to create similar lightning bolt otherwise it wont have the same destructive power.

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Here zetsu confirms he took control the lightning .


Creating lightning is no where near attracting lightning.
A human can't simply create lightning of that level as confirmed by zetsu.

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i wonder how sasuke would be able control lightning if he can't even attract it towards himself ?

Sasuke is simply controlling already existing lightning, He cannot attract lightning where there is none, Hence why he needed the stormclouds in the first place.

But i would love to hear where this so called "lightning" is going to come from on a clear day such as when sasuke faught team 7.

As mentioned in the first scan of this post, sasuke says he guides the lightning towards his target and zetsu confirms it when he says that sasuke isn't going to use his own chakra, but natural lightning itself.
The functions of kirin involve use of natural lightning and not his own chakra to create similar lightning.

It can involve both.

If natural lightning is present, he will use that instead of his own chakra, If there is no lightning nor storms present then he will use his own chakra.

As i said, If he can attract lightning even on a cloudless day, Him creating a storm against itachi was completely pointless.

 

[Exaar]

That is not how kirin works.

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↑ Here sasuke clearly states he simply guides the lightning towards the target. He don't use his own chakra to create similar lightning bolt otherwise it wont have the same destructive power.

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Here zetsu confirms he took control the lightning .


Creating lightning is no where near attracting lightning.
A human can't simply create lightning of that level as confirmed by zetsu.

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i wonder how sasuke would be able control lightning if he can't even attract it towards himself ?

Sasuke is simply controlling already existing lightning, He cannot attract lightning where there is none, Hence why he needed the stormclouds in the first place.

But i would love to hear where this so called "lightning" is going to come from on a clear day such as when sasuke faught team 7.

It's like saying Tobirama can attract water towards himself in the same way you speculate sasuke can, Since tobirama can controll either real water or Chakra created water, He should be able to attract it to himself also huh?.

Simply because you can controll Real Lighting/Water/Fire/Earth or what ever, Doesn't mean you can "Attract" them at will.

As mentioned in the first scan of this post, sasuke says he guides the lightning towards his target and zetsu confirms it when he says that sasuke isn't going to use his own chakra, but natural lightning itself.
The functions of kirin involve use of natural lightning and not his own chakra to create similar lightning.

It can involve both.

If natural lightning is present, he will use that instead of his own chakra, If there is no lightning nor storms present then he will use his own chakra.

As i said, If he can attract lightning even on a cloudless day, Him creating a storm against itachi was completely pointless.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Nice theory.
I think ur right.
Static electricity is always present in the air not only in storm clouds. Sasuke could always use it.
The result of course wouldn't be the same. He wouldnt be able to get such big lightning as he used vs itachi but even normal lightning strike would be enough to finish most any1 and it would still remain unavoidable.