Sasuke can Use ice CONFIRMED

[Rikudou Tobi]

Sasuke the scientists or more specifically, the Weatherologist.

This is the best thing describing what he did

 

[DHOH]

A lot of people in here confusing using 2 separate jutsus to create a natural reaction and actual ice release

Yea. So he used wind and water to create ice?? He never used wind or water before right?

 

[chaos control]

It's physically impossible. Only Bloodline Limit users can combine two elements.

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Kaguya's Eye is Rinnesharingan. Rinnegan is defined by the rippples in it just like Rinne Eye. Sharingan added with Rinnegan equals Kaguya's Eye.

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I said some abilities. He attained ability to immunify himself to IT and merge with Nature, which Kaguya showed.

Ryuchido Senjutsu give life. Jugos Senjutsu is Ryuchido Senjutsu. Kabuto stated he learned this special senjutsu when Sasuke asked if oro injected him with Jyuugo's Chakra.

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- How did Sasuke tame the lightning like a living being. He was outta chakra. He used Curse Mark Fire Dragons to heat up the atmosphere not Normal Katon. He gave dragon life. Using shape manipulation when you're outta chakra is impossible, how did Sasuke form Dragon Shape. Ryuchido is Dragon Sage Mode which why Kabuto said he became a Dragon after learning this Senjutsu Mode. Zetsu never knew about Kirin because it was made by Sasuke personally. He thought Sasuke was using real lightning without any Senjutsu Enhancement which is imposssible.

It's Impossible, the Manga and Databook states.

Game calls it Rinnesharingan. Anyone who uses a bit of common sense can tell his eye is a RS but I guess NB is quite lacking in that department. Madara refers to it "One Eyed Rinnegan". Rinnegan cannot awaken in one eye plus cannot possess tomoes. Are you gonna imply Kaguya uses the Sharingan because it's never stated she use's RS. Let's not go there. Read with context.

The data book calls Kaguya's eye rinnesharingan. Also, the game doesn't refer to Sasuke's eye as rinnesharingan. Rather, it refers to Sasuke himself (since that version of Sasuke has both rinnegan and sharingan).

Also, you'd really take the word of the game over the word of the actual manga? Even Sasuke himself refers to his own eye as rinnegan.

@Bold: The existence of Sasuke's rinnegan disproves your statement. Also, I suppose you are suggesting that it is perfectly feasible for the rinnegan to be red and awaken on the palms of your hands rather than in your eye sockets, but somehow it is not feasible for it to awaken in one eye with tomoes?

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Yea. So he used wind and water to create ice?? He never used wind or water before right?

I don’t think so, it’s not at all out of his grasp to learn them though

 

[Uverdore9]

both false lmao. Yamato having hashi's dna is filler. In the manga he combines earth and water and creates wood. That's the same with moegi she aint no senju

Yamato was Orochimaru's cell-experiment. Are we sure we read the same manga. Moegi has a bloodline. Senju/not. Stop evading obvious implications.

Bloodline limit is when you are using the elements both at the same time, what Sasuke used is not a bloodline limit because he is not using it at the same time. Are you telling me that everytime I freeze my bottle of water inside of my freezer is me using a Bloodline limit? Is that what you're trying to say right now?

Yes, in NV you cant. You cant manipulate ice with chakra in Narutoverse, KKG un-dependant.

Fanfic, I don't care about what you feel are the ripples as long as the manga states that it's a sharingan then it's a sharingan. Therefore you're wrong. Manga>you

Ripple pattern is Rinnegan. Stop evading implications. Ripple+tomoe is the Rinnesharingan. Hagoromo said Kaguya uses the power of the Sharingan which is Genjutsu. He said this when talking about IT. Put the two in context. IT is genjutsu cannot be cast with Rinnegan alone.

That's not how it works and the caster of IT cannot fall under their own genjutsu

How is Zetsu the caster of IT.

Manga says you're wrong, read. No senjutsu was involved with Kirin

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- Zetsu didn't know about the jutsu.
- Zetsu was referring to the scientific process of lightning formation.

So you're telling me that it's impossible for me to make Ice at home?

That's real world, not NV. You can make Ice but you cannot control it with Chakra.

1. Game doesn't call it that

2. video games are not canon

3. Manga calls it a sharingan

4. Manga>your fanfic

5. Just because the design looks different doesn't mean the doujutsu isn't what the manga says it is.

I was replying to Chaoscontrol. He brought the games first. Wikipedia says in one game its called Rinnesharingan.
- Never said games are canon.
- Common sense tells you its RS.
- Sharingan doesnt have ripple pattern.
- Rinnegan doesnt have tomoe.
- Its neither of those which's Kaguya's Eye.
- Its Rinnesharingan by implied fact.

 

[Uverdore9]

The data book calls Kaguya's eye rinnesharingan. Also, the game doesn't refer to Sasuke's eye as rinnesharingan. Rather, it refers to Sasuke himself (since that version of Sasuke has both rinnegan and sharingan).

Also, you'd really take the word of the game over the word of the actual manga? Even Sasuke himself refers to his own eye as rinnegan.

@Bold: The existence of Sasuke's rinnegan disproves your statement. Also, I suppose you are suggesting that it is perfectly feasible for the rinnegan to be red and awaken on the palms of your hands rather than in your eye sockets, but somehow it is not feasible for it to awaken in one eye with tomoes?

- I read in the Wikipedia Sasuke's eye was called RS in game but whatever.
- When did I say that. I never mentioned game in my original post. You said it to which I was replying. I'm not taking the word of the Manga literally like some 3 year old who cant place the building blocks properly.
- Momoshiki had just one eye. No. Rinnegan awaken in two eyes; be it hands, legs/head.
- I cannot allow this crappy logic linger around, this is the same shittyass logic Nagato fanboys use to back up thier BS about Nagato being immune to Genjutsu.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Yes, in NV you cant. You cant manipulate ice with chakra in Narutoverse, KKG un-dependant.

So your telling me that every time Sakura wants to get a glass of water, she needs to get Haku’s clan with a KKG to make the ice for her? Is that what you’re telling me?

Ripple pattern is Rinnegan. Stop evading implications. Ripple+tomoe is the Rinnesharingan. Hagoromo said Kaguya uses the power of the Sharingan which is Genjutsu. He said this when talking about IT. Put the two in context. IT is genjutsu cannot be cast with Rinnegan alone.

There is no implications, that’s called a fanfic. As long as the manga calls it a sharingan then obviously kaguya’s eye is a sharingan. Nothing you say can change it otherwise because I don’t care. You’re not Kishi and Kishi said it’s a sharingan.
Simple. Don’t argue with me on this one.

How is Zetsu the caster of IT.

Zetsu is kaguya’s will, he is part of the caster.

- Zetsu didn't know about the jutsu.
- Zetsu was referring to the scientific process of lightning formation.

That’s not Zetsu, that’s the Databook information. Kishi writes the databook entry on explaining the jutsu mechanics and ranking of the jutsu.
What every Kishi put there is what the jutsu is.

That's real world, not NV. You can make Ice but you cannot control it with Chakra.

He’s not controlling ice with chakra and you’re saying that people can’t make a block of ice without Haku’s clan.
Good to know that nobody in Naruto has ice cream or ice water to drink from because of the Haki clan is wiped out.

I was replying to Chaoscontrol. He brought the games first. Wikipedia says in one game its called Rinnesharingan.
- Never said games are canon.
- Common sense tells you its RS.
- Sharingan doesnt have ripple pattern.
- Rinnegan doesnt have tomoe.
- Its neither of those which's Kaguya's Eye.
- Its Rinnesharingan by implied fact.

-Common sense tells you it’s a sharingan
-Kishi said it’s a sharingan
-Rinne sharingan is fanfic because Kishi never implied anything.
-Kishi>>>Fanmade translations

 

[Uverdore9]

So your telling me that every time Sakura wants to get a glass of water, she needs to get Haku’s clan with a KKG to make the ice for her? Is that what you’re telling me?

They cant control it with Chakra.

There is no implications, that’s called a fanfic. As long as the manga calls it a sharingan then obviously kaguya’s eye is a sharingan. Nothing you say can change it otherwise because I don’t care. You’re not Kishi and Kishi said it’s a sharingan.
Simple. Don’t argue with me on this one.

Never Hagoromo said Kaguya was using Sharingan. He said using Power Of Sharingan only.

Zetsu is kaguya’s will, he is part of the caster.

No he isnt. Madara never had Zetsu Body in him.

That’s not Zetsu, that’s the Databook information. Kishi writes the databook entry on explaining the jutsu mechanics and ranking of the jutsu.
What every Kishi put there is what the jutsu is.

Databook copypastes whats said in Manga.

He’s not controlling ice with chakra and you’re saying that people can’t make a block of ice without Haku’s clan.
Good to know that nobody in Naruto has ice cream or ice water to drink from because of the Haki clan is wiped out.

If not with Chakra, hows he controlling it.

-Common sense tells you it’s a sharingan
-Kishi said it’s a sharingan
-Rinne sharingan is fanfic because Kishi never implied anything.
-Kishi>>>Fanmade translations

He never said it's Sharingan. If youve problems with databook translate it with google plus post it, here.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

They cant control it with Chakra.

I never said that they can control it with chakra. But he can still create real ice with water and cold air.

Never Hagoromo said Kaguya was using Sharingan. He said using Power Of Sharingan only.

He said that Kaguya had the power of the byukagan and the sharingan, so are you saying that she doesn’t have a byukagan either? Are you gonna call it a “Rinne-Byukagan” too?
Hagoromoo never said that Kaguya had the power of the “Rinne-sharingan.” So fanfic remains fanfic.

No he isnt. Madara never had Zetsu Body in him.

Are you saying that black zetsu is not Kaguya’s will?

Databook copypastes whats said in Manga.

No it doesn’t.

If not with Chakra, hows he controlling it.

He’s not controlling it like I said before, learn how to read the whole entire post next time.
He’s just creating simple ice by using freezing cold air on water. He doesn’t control it like a KKG.
It’s called science. He’s using water style and Wind style seperatly changing the temperature of water creates ice or boiling hot water.

He never said it's Sharingan. If youve problems with databook translate it with google plus post it, here.

It said byukagan and sharingan so deal with it. Google translator is garbage.
It’s laughable that you’d pick fanmade google translator over Kishi’s own words.

 

[Uverdore9]

I never said that they can control it with chakra. But he can still create real ice with water and cold air.

KKG is combine two different elemental chakra nature. Using offensively afterward. Chakra-less ice cannot be manipulated, novel state he manipulated ice.

He said that Kaguya had the power of the byukagan and the sharingan, so are you saying that she doesn’t have a byukagan either? Are you gonna call it a “Rinne-Byukagan” too?
Hagoromoo never said that Kaguya had the power of the “Rinne-sharingan.” So fanfic remains fanfic.

Ripple isn't present in White-Eye. If Rinnegan isnt originated from kaguya, where did it originate from.

Are you saying that black zetsu is not Kaguya’s will?

Son is what Zetsu calls himself. Her will isnt equal to her, seperate entity it is.

No it doesn’t.

It does, yes.

He’s not controlling it like I said before, learn how to read the whole entire post next time.
He’s just creating simple ice by using freezing cold air on water. He doesn’t control it like a KKG.
It’s called science. He’s using water style and Wind style seperatly changing the temperature of water creates ice or boiling hot water.

Can he use it offensively. Yes. To use offense chakra is needed.

It said byukagan and sharingan so deal with it. Google translator is garbage.
It’s laughable that you’d pick fanmade google translator over Kishi’s own words.

I'm telling you to translate that DB page yourself cause you disagree with the original translator. It's called RS in multiple translations.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

KKG is combine two different elemental chakra nature. Using offensively afterward. Chakra-less ice cannot be manipulated, novel state he manipulated ice.

The novel didn't say he manipulated it and you're not listening.

Ripple isn't present in White-Eye. If Rinnegan isnt originated from kaguya, where did it originate from.

Ripples mean absolutely nothing. There's different designs for every doujutsu

Son is what Zetsu calls himself. Her will isnt equal to her, seperate entity it is.

Her will makes it a part of her, not equal. Even Kaguya's actual sons are immune to IT

It does, yes.

No it doesn't.

Can he use it offensively. Yes. To use offense chakra is needed.

This doesn't make any sense

I'm telling you to translate that DB page yourself cause you disagree with the original translator. It's called RS in multiple translations.

Fan fic remains fanfic. The original databook has not been translated yet. Manga>you

 

[Uverdore9]

The novel didn't say he manipulated it and you're not listening.

Ripples mean absolutely nothing. There's different designs for every doujutsu


Her will makes it a part of her, not equal. Even Kaguya's actual sons are immune to IT

No it doesn't.

This doesn't make any sense

Fan fic remains fanfic. The original databook has not been translated yet. Manga>you

- Databook copypastes information. Itachi's databook says Tsukiyomi can be broken by every uchiha. Proven wrong by tobi, kakashi, shikaku. Not saying it is wrong, senjutsu isnt revealed at that period to be the composition of the curse mark. Connect the dots with new information.
- Sasuke created the ice from inspiration of a old enemy that enemy is Haku. He couldnt do it in his young age nor could any other shinobi. It proven to be impossible if you arent rinnegansharingan user.
- Hagoromo never faced IT. He didn't even know how to undo it, he researched it.

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- Ripples stated to be relevant when it comes to the Rinnegan/Rinnesharingan. Databook fact. Jiraiya recognized Rinnegan through the ripples.
- Every doujutsu arent different design if they are same. Sharingan doesnt come in different designs.

 

[super michael]

I would like to see Sasuke using Ice style, can someone post a image of it.

 

[Pulkit singh3]

Sasuke simultaneously combined Suiton and Fuuton... that’s what froze over the water vapour. He corrected Konohamaru himself that it was not inherently Hyouton. Rather, it was an imitation of the technique that was inspired by an old enemy...

source: OD who translates the boruto chapters

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[Naruto X Hunter]

I would like to see Sasuke using Ice style, can someone post a image of it.

It's from the novel that released in Japan 5 days ago. It only exist in text so far.

 

[sasuketenten]

If your a Naruto fan you are going to hate on this and YELL ITS NON CANON. I would if I see sasuke just continue to acquire new op jutsus on the regular. You have to admit, with the rinnegan there is no telling how powerful sasuke can/will become..and since Naruto is not the mc now the writers can do this even if the fans get salty about it.

 

[Jinrou]

A lot of people in here confusing using 2 separate jutsus to create a natural reaction and actual ice release

But Ice release is the combination of wind and water which was said to be a KKG.. If that's what Sasuke combined, i fail to see how its a supposed imitation when its basically the same thing.

 

[salamander uchiha]

But Ice release is the combination of wind and water which was said to be a KKG.. If that's what Sasuke combined, i fail to see how its a supposed imitation when its basically the same thing.

It's imitation in the sense that it's not a bloodline ability, Sasuke doesn't have the ability to pass it on as a Kekkei Genkai just as he never inherited it. It's likely a result of the powers granted to him by the Rinnegan and his own talent. For Sasuke to be able to do it with 1 hand puts him beyond ability than even a KKG user. He's a Rokudo and a genius just like Indra bit I think Kodachi's taking things too far. I'm in two minds on how to view the novels I'll wait for it to come out at this point everything's up in the air.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

But Ice release is the combination of wind and water which was said to be a KKG.. If that's what Sasuke combined, i fail to see how its a supposed imitation when its basically the same thing.

Because if say, haku does it, he performs the jutsu, and it comes out as ice. Simple as that, all the combining happens internally, same with lava and mokuton. We never actually SEE these elements combining. What sasuke did was essentially perform water release, then quickly use wind release to cool the water that was created and make ice. A slower process and probably a lil weaker than actual ice jutsu.

 

[Jinrou]

Because if say, haku does it, he performs the jutsu, and it comes out as ice. Simple as that, all the combining happens internally, same with lava and mokuton. We never actually SEE these elements combining. What sasuke did was essentially perform water release, then quickly use wind release to cool the water that was created and make ice. A slower process and probably a lil weaker than actual ice jutsu.

Except the text says he does it simultaneously which if i'm not mistaken, means the combination was done at the same time. I still don't see the difference.

Edit: Ohh! I see what you mean now. But it would still be weird as it seems regular wind and water element users should be able to do the same.. or basically for all other elemental KKG like lava. Guess we still have to wait for the full stuff for more info.