Sasuke can Use ice CONFIRMED

[Rikudou Tobi]

Zetsu got that ability from Kaguya. Kaguya's son/will is Zetsu. Kaguya has the Rinne-Sharingan. No one has combined KKG. In this series. Ever. Not once. Sharingan can't copy it. Sharingan can copy every jutsu. Suddenly in his adult years Sasuke learned how to combine both. Not practical/possible if it's never even hinted to be possible.

Well for starters it's a Sharingan NOT a Rinne-Sharingan, that fanmade translation is inaccurate and second that ability is not a combinding KKG. What they are doing is using their ability/talent to use nature as their ninjutsu. Just like when Hebi Sasuke shot his Fire style in the air to create real natural lightning, that was a lightning that had nothing to do with his chakra base lightning style but was simply a byproduct of his Fire style. Lastly, nobody copied any bloodline limit. All he did was use logic. It's the same as you making ice by putting water inside of a freezer.

- Certainly it's The Sharingan's Interference.

Fixed it for you. And to add to that it's really not entirely doujutsu based.

- Only a Sharingan User has shown a feat akin to this.

Then Zetsu happened.

- Hebi Sasuke used The Curse Mark proven to be Senjutsu to create that lightning(Fire-Dragons enhanced by Senjutsu). It's Senjutsu Enhanced Raiton, KKG is element + element, miles miles difficult to perform without a Ocular Aid proven in Manga.

@Bold is complete fanfic. Senjutsu chakra has nothing to do with Kirin. Manga prove this and what you're saying is a misinterpretated fanfic:

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My point is that both Zetsu, Kaguya, and Sasuke in their own way used organic elements without being able to use that kekkai genkai.
Zetsu moved the roots without being a bloodline limit user in the DB, Kaguya moved organic ice without being a Ice bloodline user, and Sasuke created Ice without being an Ice bloodline user as well.

Sasuke used wind style to freeze his water style jutsu thus creating Ice. Just like how Hebi Sasuke used his Fire style to heat the temperature in the sky creating Lightning. This is a simplification of what I've been stating during the whole time.

 

[Uverdore9]

Well for starters it's a Sharingan NOT a Rinne-Sharingan, that fanmade translation is inaccurate and second that ability is not a combinding KKG. What they are doing is using their ability/talent to use nature as their ninjutsu. Just like when Hebi Sasuke shot his Fire style in the air to create real natural lightning, that was a lightning that had nothing to do with his chakra base lightning style but was simply a byproduct of his Fire style. Lastly, nobody copied any bloodline limit. All he did was use logic. It's the same as you making ice by putting water inside of a freezer.

I understand your point, even then, Sasuke never created a different element by combining two, before. That's physically impossible, bloodline limits are secret techniques installed into the DNA. To duplicate that effect you need Rinne-Sharingan. No it's not Sharingan. The Ripple Pattern of Rinnegan can be visualized in Kaguya's Forehead.
- Zetsu is Kaguya's Will, it's proven fact that the Will gain's some of the owner's capacity. Zetsu is immune to Infinite Tsukiyomi. He inherited the root assimilation ability from Kaguya. Zetsu without it's Black Part have never, ever, showed Tree Assimilation. Never.

Then Zetsu happened.

Her Will gets her powers.

@Bold is complete fanfic. Senjutsu chakra has nothing to do with Kirin. Manga prove this and what you're saying is a misinterpretated fanfic:

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It's fanfic but that's the only explanation. How else do we get around the word "tame". Tame is used in reference to living things. Zetsu claimed Sasuke tamed lightning. Kakashi, Mei, Earth Shinobi, can control thier respective elements through Chakra. If Sasuke control's it through Chakra what's the difference between him/ordinary shinobi. None. No difference. Senjutsu has the power to give life. This is the Muki Tensei Databook. Inorganic Substances are given life just like how Kirin was given by Sasuke. He was out of Chakra plus activated Curse Mark before shooting fire-dragons up in the sky. He never uses the same fire dragons in Base Form again. Dragons are implied to be a jutsu he uses through CM only. Same like Kirin which he never used again after loss of CM.

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Granting life to the inorganic earth!!

By filling the atmosphere with Natural Energy, this Sage Art can be used to enslave inorganic substances such as the earth.*Amongst the various Sage Modes, only those who have mastered the Sage Art of Ryuchi Cave are allowed to wield it.*As the earth is infused with life, a pulse violently courses through its blood vessels, causing it to swell outward. The ground, as well as the walls and ceiling, begin to rumble like a living organism. The spines protruding from its flesh walls can be manipulated in order to impale an opponent.

Caption: Stretching freely as if made of clay, the cavern's interior transforms. The unpredictable movement of the converging floor and ceiling even caught Itachi, genius of the Uchiha, off guard

My point is that both Zetsu, Kaguya, and Sasuke in their own way used organic elements without being able to use that kekkai genkai.
Zetsu moved the roots without being a bloodline limit user in the DB, Kaguya moved organic ice without being a Ice bloodline user, and Sasuke created Ice without being an Ice bloodline user as well.

It's logically impossible. It's easy in theory but cannonically based on what The Manga have shown thus far; it's literally impossible. Nature Merging is an ability Kaguya have, only. Sasuke doesn't have that ability. There's only one way he can attain what he attained. Through the Rinne-Sharingan. You could argue it isn't Rinne-Sharingan but Ordinary Rinnegan but the implications are clear. Kishi is metaphorical on certain matters.
- Sasuke awakened One Eyed Rinnegan. Is it cannonically possible to achieve Rinnegan one eye only. No. It isn't possible. Hagoromo got Rinnegan in two eyes. Madara got Rinnegan in two eyes. Sasuke uses Rinnegan plus tomoe in one eye akin to Rinnesharingan. Kaguya and Sasuke both utilizes Dimensional Travel with The Tomoe Eye. Both have another similar/same ability: Fake KKG Production. Coincidence, I think not. It being Rinnesharingan's ability is a more logical explanation than Sasuke doing that through "skill".

Sasuke used wind style to freeze his water style jutsu thus creating Ice. Just like how Hebi Sasuke used his Fire style to heat the temperature in the sky creating Lightning. This is a simplification of what I've been stating during the whole time.

I get what you mean but that's not how Kekkei Genkai's are portrayed. You can't create a fake KKG. That's like saying you can create a fake body part with Chakra plus Skill. Cause KKG is transfered through DNA, it's staple to your existence like your body parts, facial features. Kakuzu would've created a KKG because of perfect mastery over Elements.

 

[chaos control]

This is the first time in the series someone is combining two elements to create a Kekkei Genkai. This is the Rinne-Sharingan's Power.

Kakashi did it in clash at the land of snow. Also Sasuke has the rinnegan, not the rinnesharingan.

 

[Uverdore9]

Kakashi did it in clash at the land of snow. Also Sasuke has the rinnegan, not the rinnesharingan.

Combination of elements/KKG. I'm sure it's former.
- No it's Rinnesharingan. Explained why.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Sasuke has a rinne sharingan? I didn’t know that considering everyone in the manga and anime have called it a rinnegan...

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I understand your point, even then, Sasuke never created a different element by combining two, before. That's physically impossible, bloodline limits are secret techniques installed into the DNA. To duplicate that effect you need Rinne-Sharingan. No it's not Sharingan. The Ripple Pattern of Rinnegan can be visualized in Kaguya's Forehead.
- Zetsu is Kaguya's Will, it's proven fact that the Will gain's some of the owner's capacity. Zetsu is immune to Infinite Tsukiyomi. He inherited the root assimilation ability from Kaguya. Zetsu without it's Black Part have never, ever, showed Tree Assimilation. Never.

-It's a Sharingan, not a Rinne-Sharingan. As long as the manga says it's a

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then there is nothing you can say otherwise. If you want to prove me wrong, show me a manga page where it says "rinne-sharingan" and if there isn't a single page that calls it that then you're wrong. That plain and simple.
-Zetsu cannot inherit Kaguya's ability and he's never used Kaguya's bloodline limit powers without being attached to her. Otherwise Black zetsu would've used Ash bone technique on the Mizukage during their fight.
-It's not physically impossible because it's science. Sasuke created Ice he didn't use the ice bloodline limit like Haku did. You see Sasuke do the same with his Fire style. One more thing of advice, read the whole post and not section by section because you'll miss my whole point.
-I've never said that Zetsu never assimilated without his black half, and then again black zetsu never used half of white zetsu's body in the shinobi war ever. White zetsu never used wood style in the war ever too. He either merges, absorb chakra, or substitute.

Her Will gets her powers.

He doesn't and he never did. I didn't see him use ash bones against the mizukage or portal jutsus in akatsuki.

It's fanfic but that's the only explanation. How else do we get around the word "tame". Tame is used in reference to living things. Zetsu claimed Sasuke tamed lightning. Kakashi, Mei, Earth Shinobi, can control thier respective elements through Chakra. If Sasuke control's it through Chakra what's the difference between him/ordinary shinobi. None. No difference. Senjutsu has the power to give life. This is the Muki Tensei Databook. Inorganic Substances are given life just like how Kirin was given by Sasuke. He was out of Chakra plus activated Curse Mark before shooting fire-dragons up in the sky. He never uses the same fire dragons in Base Form again. Dragons are implied to be a jutsu he uses through CM only. Same like Kirin which he never used again after loss of CM.

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Granting life to the inorganic earth!!

By filling the atmosphere with Natural Energy, this Sage Art can be used to enslave inorganic substances such as the earth.*Amongst the various Sage Modes, only those who have mastered the Sage Art of Ryuchi Cave are allowed to wield it.*As the earth is infused with life, a pulse violently courses through its blood vessels, causing it to swell outward. The ground, as well as the walls and ceiling, begin to rumble like a living organism. The spines protruding from its flesh walls can be manipulated in order to impale an opponent.

Caption: Stretching freely as if made of clay, the cavern's interior transforms. The unpredictable movement of the converging floor and ceiling even caught Itachi, genius of the Uchiha, off guard

That's not a valid explanation. Tame≠Natural Energy. Zetsu already said that he uses the lightning in his hand to tame the lightning in the sky. Mugen Tensei≠Kirin as well and the reason why this theory of yours is fanfic is because the manga confirms that Senjutsu is not involved with this jutsu.

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This is all the explanation that you need.

It's logically impossible. It's easy in theory but cannonically based on what The Manga have shown thus far; it's literally impossible. Nature Merging is an ability Kaguya have, only. Sasuke doesn't have that ability. There's only one way he can attain what he attained. Through the Sharingan. You could argue it isn't Sharingan but Ordinary Rinnegan but the implications are clear. Kishi is metaphorical on certain matters.

There's nothing impossible about freezing water. This has nothing to do with merging with nature or doujutsus, this is just about how sasuke used wind to freeze water. I used Kaguya as an example because she real ice and not ice kekkai genkai. Regardless of what the method is she still used real ice. Same thing with Black zetsu. Kaguya merged with the dimensons using her forehead-sharingan to manipulate real ice, black zetsu merged with the earth to manipulate wood/roots, and Sasuke merged water with cold air to make ice. That's called being skilled, it's not limited to 3 people.

- Sasuke awakened One Eyed Rinnegan. Is it cannonically possible to achieve Rinnegan one eye only. No. It isn't possible. Hagoromo got Rinnegan in two eyes. Madara got Rinnegan in two eyes. Sasuke uses Rinnegan plus tomoe in one eye akin to Rinnesharingan. Kaguya and Sasuke both utilizes Dimensional Travel with The Tomoe Eye. Both have another similar/same ability: Fake KKG Production. Coincidence, I think not. It being Rinnesharingan's ability is a more logical explanation than Sasuke doing that through "skill".

I get what you mean but that's not how Kekkei Genkai's are portrayed. You can't create a fake KKG. That's like saying you can create a fake body part with Chakra plus Skill. Cause KKG is transfered through DNA, it's staple to your existence like your body parts, facial features. Kakuzu would've created a KKG because of perfect mastery over Elements.

There's KKG Ice and there's just Ice. The Ice that kaguya manipulated using her forehead sharingan IS NOT a KKG Ice. The lightning that Hebi Sasuke manipulated int the sky (kirin) is not lightning style ninjutsu that requires chakra, it's just lightning.
There are some real life everyday elements that don't require ninjutsu/kkg to use, Ice being one of them.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Sasuke has a rinne sharingan? I didn’t know that considering everyone in the manga and anime have called it a rinnegan...

Sasuke has a rinnegan. As far as "rinne-sharingan" goes that's just a fanmade name by one of some forum members who translated raw texts.
There were times when other fanmade translated text called Uchiha "uchiwa" and senju "senji." So far the manga only showed 3 doujutsus, that's it.

 

[chaos control]

Combination of elements/KKG. I'm sure it's former.
- No it's Rinnesharingan. Explained why.

No it's a rinnegan. It's stated to be a rinnegan by all sources (manga, anime, movie, game, novel, data book, etc...)

Kaguya's eye is rinnesharingan.

 

[Uverdore9]

-It's a Sharingan, not a Rinne-Sharingan. As long as the manga says it's a

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then there is nothing you can say otherwise. If you want to prove me wrong, show me a manga page where it says "rinne-sharingan" and if there isn't a single page that calls it that then you're wrong. That plain and simple.
-Zetsu cannot inherit Kaguya's ability and he's never used Kaguya's bloodline limit powers without being attached to her. Otherwise Black zetsu would've used Ash bone technique on the Mizukage during their fight.
-It's not physically impossible because it's science. Sasuke created Ice he didn't use the ice bloodline limit like Haku did. You see Sasuke do the same with his Fire style. One more thing of advice, read the whole post and not section by section because you'll miss my whole point.
-I've never said that Zetsu never assimilated without his black half, and then again black zetsu never used half of white zetsu's body in the shinobi war ever. White zetsu never used wood style in the war ever too. He either merges, absorb chakra, or substitute.


He doesn't and he never did. I didn't see him use ash bones against the mizukage or portal jutsus in akatsuki.

That's not a valid explanation. Tame≠Natural Energy. Zetsu already said that he uses the lightning in his hand to tame the lightning in the sky. Mugen Tensei≠Kirin as well and the reason why this theory of yours is fanfic is because the manga confirms that Senjutsu is not involved with this jutsu.

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This is all the explanation that you need.

There's nothing impossible about freezing water. This has nothing to do with merging with nature or doujutsus, this is just about how sasuke used wind to freeze water. I used Kaguya as an example because she real ice and not ice kekkai genkai. Regardless of what the method is she still used real ice. Same thing with Black zetsu. Kaguya merged with the dimensons using her forehead-sharingan to manipulate real ice, black zetsu merged with the earth to manipulate wood/roots, and Sasuke merged water with cold air to make ice. That's called being skilled, it's not limited to 3 people.


There's KKG Ice and there's just Ice. The Ice that kaguya manipulated using her forehead sharingan IS NOT a KKG Ice. The lightning that Hebi Sasuke manipulated int the sky (kirin) is not lightning style ninjutsu that requires chakra, it's just lightning.
There are some real life everyday elements that don't require ninjutsu/kkg to use, Ice being one of them.

Real Ice? I'm sure it's Kekkei Genkai ability. Like Naruto got from Biju(Lava/Magnet/Boil Release).

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Sasuke has a rinnegan. As far as "rinne-sharingan" goes that's just a fanmade name by one of some forum members who translated raw texts.
There were times when other fanmade translated text called Uchiha "uchiwa" and senju "senji." So far the manga only showed 3 doujutsus, that's it.

I was being sarcastic, I know it’s a rinnegan lol I just thought it was funny people thought otherwise considering the evidence

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Real Ice? I'm sure it's Kekkei Genkai ability. Like Naruto got from Biju(Lava/Magnet/Boil Release).

Yes. Sasuke created real ice without the need of a kekkai genkai. All he did was use cold air to freeze water creating Ice. KKG Ice is a little bit different than real ice.
You keep looking at this through a chakra base perspective instead of a basic logic non-chakra ninjutsu perspective.

I was being sarcastic, I know it’s a rinnegan lol I just thought it was funny people thought otherwise considering the evidence

Thank god

 

[Ansatsuken]

Sasuke has a rinnegan. As far as "rinne-sharingan" goes that's just a fanmade name by one of some forum members who translated raw texts.
There were times when other fanmade translated text called Uchiha "uchiwa" and senju "senji." So far the manga only showed 3 doujutsus, that's it.

Thats why when I'm having a discussion that involves Kaguya I usually address Kaguya's forehead eye as 9 tomoes Sharingan or just The third eye. Unless I'm too lazy to type.

 

[DHOH]

YES! Bring back more skills so the never ending debate can continue. To be honest, it’s nothing that should surprise anyone

 

[JStar King]

Who what? That's awesome!

 

[Uverdore9]

-It's a Sharingan, not a Rinne-Sharingan. As long as the manga says it's a

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then there is nothing you can say otherwise. If you want to prove me wrong, show me a manga page where it says "rinne-sharingan" and if there isn't a single page that calls it that then you're wrong. That plain and simple.
-Zetsu cannot inherit Kaguya's ability and he's never used Kaguya's bloodline limit powers without being attached to her. Otherwise Black zetsu would've used Ash bone technique on the Mizukage during their fight.
-It's not physically impossible because it's science. Sasuke created Ice he didn't use the ice bloodline limit like Haku did. You see Sasuke do the same with his Fire style. One more thing of advice, read the whole post and not section by section because you'll miss my whole point.
-I've never said that Zetsu never assimilated without his black half, and then again black zetsu never used half of white zetsu's body in the shinobi war ever. White zetsu never used wood style in the war ever too. He either merges, absorb chakra, or substitute.

It's physically impossible. Only Bloodline Limit users can combine two elements.

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Kaguya's Eye is Rinnesharingan. Rinnegan is defined by the rippples in it just like Rinne Eye. Sharingan added with Rinnegan equals Kaguya's Eye.

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He doesn't and he never did. I didn't see him use ash bones against the mizukage or portal jutsus in akatsuki.

I said some abilities. He attained ability to immunify himself to IT and merge with Nature, which Kaguya showed.

That's not a valid explanation. Tame≠Natural Energy. Zetsu already said that he uses the lightning in his hand to tame the lightning in the sky. Mugen Tensei≠Kirin as well and the reason why this theory of yours is fanfic is because the manga confirms that Senjutsu is not involved with this jutsu.

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This is all the explanation that you need.

Ryuchido Senjutsu give life. Jugos Senjutsu is Ryuchido Senjutsu. Kabuto stated he learned this special senjutsu when Sasuke asked if oro injected him with Jyuugo's Chakra.

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- How did Sasuke tame the lightning like a living being. He was outta chakra. He used Curse Mark Fire Dragons to heat up the atmosphere not Normal Katon. He gave dragon life. Using shape manipulation when you're outta chakra is impossible, how did Sasuke form Dragon Shape. Ryuchido is Dragon Sage Mode which why Kabuto said he became a Dragon after learning this Senjutsu Mode. Zetsu never knew about Kirin because it was made by Sasuke personally. He thought Sasuke was using real lightning without any Senjutsu Enhancement which is imposssible.

There's nothing impossible about freezing water. This has nothing to do with merging with nature or doujutsus, this is just about how sasuke used wind to freeze water. I used Kaguya as an example because she real ice and not ice kekkai genkai. Regardless of what the method is she still used real ice. Same thing with Black zetsu. Kaguya merged with the dimensons using her forehead-sharingan to manipulate real ice, black zetsu merged with the earth to manipulate wood/roots, and Sasuke merged water with cold air to make ice. That's called being skilled, it's not limited to 3 people.


There's KKG Ice and there's just Ice. The Ice that kaguya manipulated using her forehead sharingan IS NOT a KKG Ice. The lightning that Hebi Sasuke manipulated int the sky (kirin) is not lightning style ninjutsu that requires chakra, it's just lightning.
There are some real life everyday elements that don't require ninjutsu/kkg to use, Ice being one of them.

It's Impossible, the Manga and Databook states.

No it's a rinnegan. It's stated to be a rinnegan by all sources (manga, anime, movie, game, novel, data book, etc...)

Kaguya's eye is rinnesharingan.

Game calls it Rinnesharingan. Anyone who uses a bit of common sense can tell his eye is a RS but I guess NB is quite lacking in that department. Madara refers to it "One Eyed Rinnegan". Rinnegan cannot awaken in one eye plus cannot possess tomoes. Are you gonna imply Kaguya uses the Sharingan because it's never stated she use's RS. Let's not go there. Read with context.

 

[Byakugo King]

Yamato has Hashi's DNA. Moegi is from The Senju Clan.

both false lmao. Yamato having hashi's dna is filler. In the manga he combines earth and water and creates wood. That's the same with moegi she aint no senju

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

It's physically impossible. Only Bloodline Limit users can combine two elements.

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Bloodline limit is when you are using the elements both at the same time, what Sasuke used is not a bloodline limit because he is not using it at the same time. Are you telling me that everytime I freeze my bottle of water inside of my freezer is me using a Bloodline limit? Is that what you're trying to say right now?

Kaguya's Eye is Rinnesharingan. Rinnegan is defined by the rippples in it just like Rinne Eye. Sharingan added with Rinnegan equals Kaguya's Eye.

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Fanfic, I don't care about what you feel are the ripples as long as the manga states that it's a sharingan then it's a sharingan. Therefore you're wrong. Manga>you

I said some abilities. He attained ability to immunify himself to IT and merge with Nature, which Kaguya showed.

That's not how it works and the caster of IT cannot fall under their own genjutsu

Ryuchido Senjutsu give life. Jugos Senjutsu is Ryuchido Senjutsu. Kabuto stated he learned this special senjutsu when Sasuke asked if oro injected him with Jyuugo's Chakra.

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- How did Sasuke tame the lightning like a living being. He was outta chakra. He used Curse Mark Fire Dragons to heat up the atmosphere not Normal Katon. He gave dragon life. Using shape manipulation when you're outta chakra is impossible, how did Sasuke form Dragon Shape. Ryuchido is Dragon Sage Mode which why Kabuto said he became a Dragon after learning this Senjutsu Mode. Zetsu never knew about Kirin because it was made by Sasuke personally. He thought Sasuke was using real lightning without any Senjutsu Enhancement which is imposssible.

Manga says you're wrong, read. No senjutsu was involved with Kirin

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It's Impossible, the Manga and Databook states.

So you're telling me that it's impossible for me to make Ice at home?

Game calls it Rinnesharingan. Anyone who uses a bit of common sense can tell his eye is a RS but I guess NB is quite lacking in that department. Madara refers to it "One Eyed Rinnegan". Rinnegan cannot awaken in one eye plus cannot possess tomoes. Are you gonna imply Kaguya uses the Sharingan because it's never stated she use's RS. Let's not go there. Read with context.

1. Game doesn't call it that

2. video games are not canon

3. Manga calls it a sharingan

4. Manga>your fanfic

5. Just because the design looks different doesn't mean the doujutsu isn't what the manga says it is.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Sasuke used wind style to freeze his water style jutsu thus creating Ice. Just like how Hebi Sasuke used his Fire style to heat the temperature in the sky creating Lightning. This is a simplification of what I've been stating during the whole time.

Sasuke the scientists or more specifically, the Weatherologist.

 

[To Whatever]

Filler

 

[InfiniteMugen]

A lot of people in here confusing using 2 separate jutsus to create a natural reaction and actual ice release