[Discussion] sasuke can still be the final villain.

naruttebayo

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it seems highly unlikely for now, right?
but there are few things which came in to my mind and i became positive about it?

plz read all

reasons

every one in this manga had a reason to do evil, except few like hidan & deidara.

but ima compare him with big 3 .. obito, madara, orochimaru..

when i see there reasons to do evil i find sasuke's more legit than anyone else

plz have a look at there reasons

madara -

got his brother killed in front --> madness level over 1000
betrayed be his clans men --> butthurt level over 1000
found his brother sacrifice got wasted --> despair level over 1000
total = over 3000

orochimaru -

got his parents killed in battle ---> madness level 500
got new ambition in life immortality/ all jutsu ----> psycho/nerd level over 1000
did not get to be hokage ---> butthurt level 500
total = around 2000, no wonder he is turned to good side now

obito -
got his love die in front of him
whom
he swore to protect by getting strong ---> madness level over 1000 + despair level over 1000
could not find minato around that time ---> butthurt level over 1000
manipulated by madara/jetsu ---> corrupted level over 1000
total = over 5000

however sasuke's reason are completely off the charts -

got his parents killed right in front of him ---> madness level over 1000 (same reason as nagato who wasn't even uchiha to be mad enough)
the one who killed his parrents was none other than his beloved elder brother --> revenge level over 1000
got mocked/tsukyomied right after seeing the death --> revenge level over 1000
manipulated by orochimaru ---> corrupted level over 500
found himself inferior to a dropout (naruto) after his fight against gaara --> butthurt level over 500
killed the man who loved him the most (itachi) & found it out latter ---> psycho level over 1000
corrupted by tobi the master manipulator ---> corrupted level over 2000
found some shinobi badmouthing his brother ---> butthurt level over 1000
total = over 8000

i find it completely impossible that this guy is helping the alliance ........ there must be an ulterior motive.

this guy is not manipulated or crazy anymore ..... he has also become unpredictable atm ..... that makes him more dangerous


i hope this must give you something to think about

now next is potential as a villain

potential as a villain

well it's a pain in the a$s to find all those pages .... so i'm sorry that i can't provide u scans
but i'll remind you few interesting qoutes

kuubi -> "that eye with chakra even more sinister than my own .... just like uchiha madara from long ago"

kuubi finds sasuke's chakra comparable to madara's

oro to 4 tails naruto => " i wonder how much sasuke kun has grown by now"

oro thought 4 tails was inferior to sasuke

tobi to jetsu => "even if he(sasuke) grows stronger than nagato ... there is no point if we can't control him"

dunno if he is stronger yet... but he has potential to grow stronger than nagato

he has potential to surpass madara .... how ? i'll talk in my last section once again.

foreshadowing​

1.. it has been foreshadowed in 3rd episode that sasuke is going to be final villain
also i hate to say this but narusaku has also forshadowed in the same chapter (don't hate me for it Xd)

2.. prophecy about naruto's future " you will fight a young man with great power in his eyes "
i find it interesting a lot of people now think that it's obito -
and yea obito fits in the definition well, he is powerful as hell also he has rinnegan and kamui

however when you look at his fighting style
- he fought using paths as jinchuriki at most of the part
- he used kamui few times but it was not as effective as his other attacks
- even now he is using some weird jutsu but it's not in his eyes
- clearly obito is most powerful foe as of yet, but he is not the man with great power in his eyes

so i found it rather tricky as a plot ..... kishi might want to surprise us after getting us into believing obito to be final villain.

another thing here is naruto's words "i know about that " (about the young man with great power in his eyes)
- naruto's words held too much of meaning here
- he guessed it would be sasuke ..... it has to be sasuke

3. itachi's words to naruto "i leave sasuke to you"
- this foreshadowing is self explanatory and very important

4. jugo thinking - "what are you thinking sasuke"
5. sai to juugo - "what's his(sasuke's) goal?" ...... juugo replies "who knows"
6. sai to sakura - better read here { , }
- these words should not be taken lightly
- these are recent so i bet kishi has not forgotten them XD

if a writer knows how he has to end the story .... then his foreshadowing should not be BS and meaningless

and kishi has said in an interview that the manga has fixed/ pre planned end . and he is only thinking of a way to reach that end

and hence there must be a meaning to the foreshadowing.

on the light of current events how is it possible that sasuke will be the final villain ?

in the previous section i talked about foreshadowing & that none of the foreshadowing should be taken lightly

some people complain and think that kishi doesn't even care any more .... but i think he remembers every foreshadowing
and every forshadowing is real ..... eg:- tobi being obito ..... it was foreshadowed long ago .... people hate this fact ... but it was all part of plan :whip:

chances of sasuke being final villain which seems very low atm, is actually the surprise factor here.
if kishi is easily predictable then there is no point of writing such manga.

to understand how sasuke is going final villain we have to answer few questions

1> why did he decide to help the good side ?
2> why would he want to become a villain now ?
3> what are his goals in the current war ?
4> how can he be a greater threat than the current ones ?/ how can kishi pull that off?

answer to 1st is as he said "there is no point in destroying the village if madara completes moons eye plan" .. that's right sasuke is same as obito/madara
they want things to go there way .. there is just no point in siding with madara cuz he don't like the moons eye plan it's simple.

2nd> however when he first appeared at ground he said "i want to be hokage" ... later he also said "this situation is created by the mistakes of past leaders, i'll change everything about ninja world"
--- his ideology is same as madara only his way is different . besides if you remember obito also betrayed madara which is same as sasuke ..ie. same ideology as madara but different path
--- basically all uchiha share the same ideology wiz 'peace via control by using the power' ... however there plan can be different.

3rd> as he said he wants to be hokage and change the world his goals in the war are simple don't let plan of moons eye succeed (cuz he dislikes it)
--- become a hokage like no one before (he is thinking more like danzou)
--- other than that he may have other goals like some serious power gain

4th> lets hope the story doesn't end right here .. & hope that there is another time skip ... that's only how i see .. kishi can pull it off.
--- however he should be a greater threat than juubito or edo madara to actually make things interesting for us
--- answer to this problem is sasuke's pedo who is a nerd scientist and will follow sasuke in whatever path he choses.
--- that's right oro will never betray sasuke & will help him get his next power up which is most likely rinnegan + some other added stuff like cool wing u know
--- unlike madara (who took entire life) sasuke's rinnegan will awake faster because of oro's genius and researches.
--- if you think about it (since it's a shonen manga) more power up can be given without a foreshadowing whatsoever.

before bashing me think about it .... kishi is either a genius manga writer or a below average.
i want to believe he is a genius who won't let his story die that easy

discuss, cumment, have a nice day.
 

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That'd be anticlimactic, considering Naruto can literally one shot him.
that's too much optimistic

If he becomes evil, then hashirama woud kick his ass. Same as BM naruto.
i bet you read the first part only

Sasuke owns Naruto like he always does, same thing naruto was doing showing power blah in the final valley and still lost cause he's weak.
off topic ... i bet you didn't read at all

ramen guy can still be the final villan
are you suggesting that the sasuke is fodder in comparison to ramen guy ? :snick:
 

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nah if there is another part or arc,i want kishi 2 showcase Lord Jashin.reason:
oro and sasuke got their time 2 bcum evil.they killed a lot of guys.no doubt about that.they r way better villain.but
Lord Jashin is the only god who never got panel time.plus he has given Immortality 2 someone which is way op.
also i was going through hidan's database where i saw that kishi wants 2 show a lot of things with hidan's weapon,but he doesnot have much a panel time.that's y i think hidan and jashin has a good chance for next arc/part.
 

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Maybe after the war and he has time to become Kage of his own village and Sasuke can blind side Naruto. I think he sees the value in a village just not neccessarily the hidden leaf.
 

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Meh I think the prophecy is pretty irrelevant at this point

How many "young men with great power in eyes" has Naruto fought now ?

So6P's eyes aint got jack on Naruto anymore..
 
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of course naruto comes out on top b/c if not it would be named sasuke. and sasuke is the MAIN antoganist to the entire series this has been true since his intro.
1. obito is not young anymore neither was nagato both of them were in their latter 20's, their nearly approaching middle age counts them out instantly as young men their closer to approaching middle age.
2. sasuke knows exactly what he is going to do... ever since the begining he has been a very calculated individual,opposite of naruto who is spontaneous and acts on a whim. we may not know his plan as of yet but i promise it will be and has to be a more epic end then them stopping obito.
3 sasuke says he will erase the past mistakes of his predecessors and recreate the shinobi world, now is the perfect time to do this.

think about it the shinobi world went from clans to villages, which were really nothing more than alliances between clans against common foes, to now it is a shinobi alliance with all villages united which means that once the war is over it will be naruto and sasuke that this entire world look to, that may essentially divide it again and this could be the final battle of good versus evil the ones who think it should be a free world(naruto) and the ones who think those with the most power should rule(sasuke) the reason i think this is because naruto's side will believe that those with the strong will will keep the future on the right path. whilst sasuke's side will think that they need to maintain a certain level of power at all times to keep those who may rise again, like obito or madara, in check with a quick and swift defeat so nothing like previous world wars and the current war can happen again(this is along nagato's line of thinking also which is why i se this being the possible path sasuke will take because they both had similar upbringings and were similar throughout their lives, revenge and control and all that)
 

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Meh I think the prophecy is pretty irrelevant at this point

How many "young men with great power in eyes" has Naruto fought now ?

So6P's eyes aint got jack on Naruto anymore..
prophecy may be irrelevant but not the all those foreshadowing

just like the one below

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exactly .... thanks for scan bro :T_T:

of course naruto comes out on top b/c if not it would be named sasuke. and sasuke is the MAIN antoganist to the entire series this has been true since his intro.
1. obito is not young anymore neither was nagato both of them were in their latter 20's, their nearly approaching middle age counts them out instantly as young men their closer to approaching middle age.
2. sasuke knows exactly what he is going to do... ever since the begining he has been a very calculated individual,opposite of naruto who is spontaneous and acts on a whim. we may not know his plan as of yet but i promise it will be and has to be a more epic end then them stopping obito.
3 sasuke says he will erase the past mistakes of his predecessors and recreate the shinobi world, now is the perfect time to do this.

think about it the shinobi world went from clans to villages, which were really nothing more than alliances between clans against common foes, to now it is a shinobi alliance with all villages united which means that once the war is over it will be naruto and sasuke that this entire world look to, that may essentially divide it again and this could be the final battle of good versus evil the ones who think it should be a free world(naruto) and the ones who think those with the most power should rule(sasuke) the reason i think this is because naruto's side will believe that those with the strong will will keep the future on the right path. whilst sasuke's side will think that they need to maintain a certain level of power at all times to keep those who may rise again, like obito or madara, in check with a quick and swift defeat so nothing like previous world wars and the current war can happen again(this is along nagato's line of thinking also which is why i se this being the possible path sasuke will take because they both had similar upbringings and were similar throughout their lives, revenge and control and all that)

yeah previously he was manipulated but from now on everything he is doing is his own free will

& ofc approved by itachi "no matter what you do i'll love you forever"

also previously he was a threat only to konoha .... now he will be a threat to entire world .
 

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nah if there is another part or arc,i want kishi 2 showcase Lord Jashin.reason:
oro and sasuke got their time 2 bcum evil.they killed a lot of guys.no doubt about that.they r way better villain.but
Lord Jashin is the only god who never got panel time.plus he has given Immortality 2 someone which is way op.
also i was going through hidan's database where i saw that kishi wants 2 show a lot of things with hidan's weapon,but he doesnot have much a panel time.that's y i think hidan and jashin has a good chance for next arc/part.
too bad there is no foreshadowing support for hidan
he remains crying in a pit
 

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Final villain means that Kishi takes a crap on every good villain he built until now.
Madara the nigga wasted his life,planning this shit.
Obito wasted all his life excetuting the plan.
Orochimaru is Orochimaru.

Now,Sasuke is a damn infant compared to these guys,he literally decided the whole ''Burn dat shit down'' like half an hour ago..he doesnt deserve the FV,heck he is not and cant be a villain.The way i see it,Sasuke will throw a tantrum by the end of the war and Naruto will beat the shit out of him.
 

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i dont think he will be the final villain, however i do think he and naruto will be the final battle of the manga. i say this because as of right now they both have the same gaol, hokage. and both want it for somewhat different reasons. i think their final battle will be something of seeing which one deserves it more in their own eyes. its the rivalry that will set the stage not the darkness. in my opinion, as of the latest chapters, sasuke wants to change things in a way in which is beneficial to everyone, be it with some actions some might feel aren't exactly correct, but none the less has a good heart behind it, where in the past it was all about vengeance. naruto has always wanted to be hokage so people will recognize him as something more than a monster, someone who can bring change and be a force of good for the people. their final showdown has got to be more about which path the hokage should take, rather than vengeance or revenge, or whatever else some people are thinking.


in short, their final battle will be as equals, looking at each other, wanting to see who is more deserving. even they admitted they can feel the others intentions through battle alone. it will allow the loser to know that whoever wins will have the best intentions for the leaf and lead them in the right direction.


well this is what i think at least.
 
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