[VS] Sasori vs. Tsunade

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Seeing as I have the time, I might as well post my opinion on this poison matter.
The properties of the Byakugō.
Seeing as the effects of the Byakugō are often misinterpreted/misunderstood, I might as well clarify the most important factors. Shortly put:
  • As the seal on her forehead is released, the technique will automatically start splitting cells where splitting is needed, healing any physical injury inflicted on the user almost instantly.
  • The technique will continue to work until the user is either out of Chakra, or closes the thread.
  • It's unique from most other Medical Techniques due to the fact that it does not heal the cells, but splits them.
Don't think I need to say much more on this topic, most people will already be aware of all this.​
The properties of Sasori's poison.
To cover every aspect of this argument, I may as well do the same with Sasori's poison.
  • A single scratch is enough for the poison to take effect.
  • After being hit, the poison will quickly numb the body of the victim, leaving him/her paralyzed. It may not always be the case, but after Kankurō got hit with it, he passed out quickly afterwards.
  • If left alive, the poison will take three days to kill the victim.
  • If one does not possess an antidote, the only way shown to counter the poison is to have a Medical Shinobi remove it. However, it should be noted that even when it was removed by the student of probably the greatest Medical Ninja in the NV, an antidote was still needed to completely counter the effects.
Poison vs Byakugō
Now that this has been covered, it's time for the real argument.

The reason Tsunade will be brought down by the poison, is simply because the Byakugō is not fit to counter the effects of the Poison. The poison has been shown to quickly spread through the body of the victim, paralyzing him/her almost instantly, restricting all movement. While the fact whether it does or doesn't completely destroy the cells is debatable, there's not much arguing against the fact that it does paralyze them and render them immobile, and that it will in the end, kill the victim. The Byakugō, as I stated before, doesn't heal the cells, it merely splits the healthy ones in order to replace those that were destroyed.

However, this won't do much here, simply because of the fact that the poison has a continuous effect. What I mean by that is that while the cells will be able to keep her alive for some time, the Byakugō won't do anything against the poison itself. It has already been established just how quickly the poison spreads, which simply means that no matter how many healthy cells will be created, they'll simply be poisoned as well.

Of course, one might argue that the amount of cells that will be poisoned is limited, but while that may be the case, it is also necessary to take into account that.
  1. Seeing as a tiny portion of the poison has been stated to be enough to kill a full grown human being, this limit is probably quite large.
  2. Even if it might in the end stop spreading, [Big if] the fact still stands that she'll still be vulnerable to the attacks of the Satetsu. In the end, she'd probably be too weakened to take on his attacks.
In the end, I don't see how the Byakugō will help out here. Like stated by others before me, no matter how many cells are created, they'll simply be affected again. The technique does not heal damage, so in the end, there will be nothing preventing it from spreading even further.

Don't even attempt to argue the fact that Tsunade will be able to remove the poison herself. Medical techniques take extreme focus and precision in order to be effective, there is no way she'd be able to do something like that when extreme pain and paralysis is a side effect of the poison, a side effect that takes place instantly. The only reason the Byakugō may be able to help here [For a short amount of time] is due to the fact that it happens automatically. However, it will not help her deal with the extreme pain and [Most likely not] the numbness. In any case, even if it may, there's no way Sasori would stand idly by while she heals herself. And even so, this is only assuming that Tsunade would be able to remove enough poison for her to be able to move freely again, a feat which is not viable even for someone of her caliber.

Taking all this into account, she simply won't be able to deal with the poison. She doesn't have the speed or defense to avoid being hit, the Byakugō will only be able to slow the effects, but not counter it, and she won't be able to take care of it herself due to the extreme pain and numbness, along with the fact that Sasori will still be alive and healthy in the meantime. In the end, the Puppet Master will prevail.​

Just my two cents.
 

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I already counered this shit. There is no way the Byakugou can replicate the damaged cells.
 

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if the poison can kill the cells the nneew cells would turn up which the existing poison can kill which is subsequently healed. sasori wins this with iron sand.
@bold: Exactly. Therefore, the poison would have 0 effect as it's paralysing effects won't occur due to the damaged cells constantly repairing and allowing tsunade mobility. While tsunade's byakugo is active(which can be quite a long as time when not healing a bunch of people too), she's essentially immune to his poison and sasori is her *****.

If I'm mistaken, didn't Sakura nearly get killed by Iron Sand but Chiyo saved her with a chakra shield? Sakura was evading 1 version of Iron Sand, but a different variation of Iron Sand nearly killed her. Chiyo saved her
What's your point? are you saying those iron sand bullets will kill tsunade? Lmfao? She tanked 2 swords through her entire torso, but 2 little chopsticks from sasori will kill her. right...

The fact of the matter is. Once byakugo is active, sasori is her *****. Puppeteers are vulnerable in CQC as they have to pull a puppet with chakra strings and can't really do shit for themselves while puppeteering. With a woman like tsunade, who says **** it to injury and doesn't sit back play a game of chicken chess with her opponents, sasori's strategizing won't help for a thing. All that'll help is a solid enough defence which sasori doesn't have. If early part 2 saskura could get through his defences, tsunade's going through like a hot knife through melted butter. Furthermore, Sakura's weak little punch cracked his face, but he was able to reassemble the joints. He's not reassembling when half is puppet is shattered; all he'd be able to do is hop puppets. Once she notices this core hopping, her next target is now to smash the core.

3rd kazekage gets fodderized by tsunade rushing through his IS attack like a spaz and punching him into pieces like sakura.
Hiruko gets fodderized no debate.
Sasori's real body gets fodderized - blades and a torch can't stop tsunade
100 puppet army delays sasori's death but he still dies eventually.

Sasori's little needles and knives don't pack remotely enough of a punch to affect tsunade and 3rd kazekage isn't lasting that long; especially without these fantasy abilities his fanbase gives him like "creating an IS dome and attacking" Yea, ok, sasori hasn't shown such versatility with IS to simultaneously form an attack and a defence.




Tsunade wins this mid diff. It's clear how much fanboying is going on here.
 

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@bold: Exactly. Therefore, the poison would have 0 effect as it's paralysing effects won't occur due to the damaged cells constantly repairing and allowing tsunade mobility. While tsunade's byakugo is active(which can be quite a long as time when not healing a bunch of people too), she's essentially immune to his poison and sasori is her *****.
You base your argument solely on your assumption that the poison will not paralyze her, while not being able to bring up any impressive arguments at all as to why it would not. The Byakugo does not heal the cells, it duplicates them. This nonsense about repairing is moot.

The Byakugo will be constantly creating new, healthy cells, but tell me, what is preventing those cells from being affected by the poison streaming through her blood, which takes effect and completely paralyzes a person in a mere instant? Better yet, what will happen to the cells which are poisoned? They won't be destroyed by the poison, they won't be healed by the Byakugo, what will happen? Will they simply fall off? Disperse? Because I don't remember the Byakugo showcasing such a feat.

Not to mention that even if we assume that the poisoned cells will simply disperse [An argument which holds no ground whatsoever], there's still the fact that the cells will be rapidly being paralyzed by the poison. She'd be forced to regenerate her body at an extreme rate, which is not something she can hold up for a long time. She might as well attempt to fight while engulfed in an Amaterasu, as they poison will be constantly eating through her and attacking her from the inside.

Frankly, your arguments doesn't seem to hold much ground, if any whatsoever.​
 

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Sasori takes this mid diff. He doesn't even need the poison tbh. 100 puppets cut her to shit, or Iron sand does. Lightwork.
 

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@bold: Exactly. Therefore, the poison would have 0 effect as it's paralysing effects won't occur due to the damaged cells constantly repairing and allowing tsunade mobility. While tsunade's byakugo is active(which can be quite a long as time when not healing a bunch of people too), she's essentially immune to his poison and sasori is her *****.


What's your point? are you saying those iron sand bullets will kill tsunade? Lmfao? She tanked 2 swords through her entire torso, but 2 little chopsticks from sasori will kill her. right...

The fact of the matter is. Once byakugo is active, sasori is her *****. Puppeteers are vulnerable in CQC as they have to pull a puppet with chakra strings and can't really do shit for themselves while puppeteering. With a woman like tsunade, who says **** it to injury and doesn't sit back play a game of chicken chess with her opponents, sasori's strategizing won't help for a thing. All that'll help is a solid enough defence which sasori doesn't have. If early part 2 saskura could get through his defences, tsunade's going through like a hot knife through melted butter. Furthermore, Sakura's weak little punch cracked his face, but he was able to reassemble the joints. He's not reassembling when half is puppet is shattered; all he'd be able to do is hop puppets. Once she notices this core hopping, her next target is now to smash the core.

3rd kazekage gets fodderized by tsunade rushing through his IS attack like a spaz and punching him into pieces like sakura.
Hiruko gets fodderized no debate.
Sasori's real body gets fodderized - blades and a torch can't stop tsunade
100 puppet army delays sasori's death but he still dies eventually.

Sasori's little needles and knives don't pack remotely enough of a punch to affect tsunade and 3rd kazekage isn't lasting that long; especially without these fantasy abilities his fanbase gives him like "creating an IS dome and attacking" Yea, ok, sasori hasn't shown such versatility with IS to simultaneously form an attack and a defence.




Tsunade wins this mid diff. It's clear how much fanboying is going on here.

6 paths ended this thread. You are the fanboy. Sasori takes this low-mid diff.
 

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Sasori reveals his devious side to tsunade and wrecks her puppet tits.
 

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Pre Byakugou Tsunade embarrased Chiyo in the war,
Byakugou Tsunade stomps.
 

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Is that why his subordinate kabuto busted her up lol

Kabuto's didn't do shit to a drunk, restless, and rusty tsunade. The only effective thing he did was cut himself, so that she would go into shock. Orochimaru knew they had to play other fears to best her
 

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Kabuto's didn't do shit to a drunk, restless, and rusty tsunade. The only effective thing he did was cut himself, so that she would go into shock. Orochimaru knew they had to play other fears to best her

Aren't we hypocritical. When Kabuto beats a weakened Tsunade, conditions are brought in. But when Tsunade beats a weakened Orochimaru, the conditions are ignored..
And I'm using we literally here, I'm sure I've done this before.
OT: Couldn't Sasori fly with his Iron Sand? He wins lol
 

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Both coming from guys who thinks Darui beats Zabuza....
What does thinking Darui beats Zabuza have anything to do with thinking Tsunade beats Sasori.
Aren't we hypocritical. When Kabuto beats a weakened Tsunade, conditions are brought in. But when Tsunade beats a weakened Orochimaru, the conditions are ignored..
And I'm using we literally here, I'm sure I've done this before.
OT: Couldn't Sasori fly with his Iron Sand? He wins lol
The inverse is true to. You have Oro or Akatsuki fans saying their favourite got trolled due to conditions but ignore Tsunade's lacklustre conditions in the fight and use that in their arguments.
 

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What does thinking Darui beats Zabuza have anything to do with thinking Tsunade beats Sasori.

The inverse is true to. You have Oro or Akatsuki fans saying their favourite got trolled due to conditions but ignore Tsunade's lacklustre conditions in the fight and use that in their arguments.

I uh I brought that up myself, Ice.
 
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