[VS] Sasori versus Tobirama

[Veggie the Tormentor]

Chiyo was hyped sannin-level at old age. She couldn't keep up and she was aware of the tricks of Sasori, while he was going easy on her with an ally directly countering him. Tobirama loses. Sasori is a bad match for space-time users. He's got max speed in the databook almost, puppet allies to mitigate speed even more, and surprise attacks are especially good with Iron Sand that dull reaction speed further. Blitzing won't help Tobirama, as he died to a group of ninjas, and he'll get wounded at least once. Tobirama wouldn't know about the Kazekage. Edo Tensei is a non-factor, as they're weaker than even Orochimaru's early part 1 version. They get blitzed before they blow up, or even controlled if Tobirama can't make them go on really good auto-pilot with fluid thought patterns.

Chakra Enhanced Strength couldn't even pierce through Iron Sand I believe and Tobirama will get killed if he thinks he's killed the puppet body of Sasori. Sensory will lead to a lapse in reaction speed and get him killed. Sensory hasn't shown the ability to distinguish between body types.

He also flies away for fun.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Early Shippuden Sakura managed to avoid Sasori's attacks so this should be child's play for someone tiers & tiers faster than her.
Sasori ain't scratch Tobirama & Suiton Suindanha one shots his core.
Don't put fodders against High-Kage level Ninjas.

 

[Veggie the Tormentor]

Early Shippuden Sakura managed to avoid Sasori's attacks so this should be child's play for someone tiers & tiers faster than her.
Sasori ain't scratch Tobirama & Suiton Suindanha one shots his core.
Don't put fodders against High-Kage level Ninjas.

Early Shippuden Sakura avoided the attacks of Sasori after fighting for an hour, getting help from Chiyo, being underestimated, and having fought a guy who was going easy on her. A bloodlusted guy with poison isn't somebody whom you're going to understand their pattern in a drawn out fight and you'll die fast.

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[Great Master Minato]

Early Shippuden Sakura avoided the attacks of Sasori after fighting for an hour, getting help from Chiyo, being underestimated, and having fought a guy who was going easy on her. A bloodlusted guy with poison isn't somebody whom you're going to understand their pattern in a drawn out fight and you'll die fast.

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Doesn't matter since Tobirama is tiers faster & smarter than Sakura & when it comes to analytical skills Sakura is just a mere child in front of him...he can figure out Sasori's pattern with ease.
Sasori won't touch Tobirama specially when FTG comes into play...

 

[Veggie the Tormentor]

Doesn't matter since Tobirama is tiers faster & smarter than Sakura & when it comes to analytical skills Sakura is just a mere child in front of him...he can figure out Sasori's pattern with ease.
Sasori won't touch Tobirama specially when FTG comes into play...

Tobirama isn't figuring out multitudes of attack patterns instantly without fighting for an extended period of time, no matter how smart he is. Sasori has 4.5 speed, puppets reduce Tobirama's speed, Iron Sand can't all be dodged, and FTG won't help against a surprise attack from Iron Sand. Tobirama died to a group of ninjas who somehow tagged him. Sasori has all of the best ways to tag a FTG user. Iron Sand just needs a tiny prick without Tobirama even noticing it, and he dies to poison. None of the factors that saved Chiyo and Sakura apply here. Tobirama doesn't know the Kazekage, Sasori's not friendly with Tobirama, Tobirama's not a master puppet user, Tobirama hasn't seen the attack patterns of Sasori before, and Tobirama doesn't have an ally.

 

[super yang]

Tobirama isn't figuring out multitudes of attack patterns instantly without fighting for an extended period of time, no matter how smart he is. Sasori has 4.5 speed, puppets reduce Tobirama's speed, Iron Sand can't all be dodged, and FTG won't help against a surprise attack from Iron Sand. Tobirama died to a group of ninjas who somehow tagged him. Sasori has all of the best ways to tag a FTG user. Iron Sand just needs a tiny prick without Tobirama even noticing it, and he dies to poison. None of the factors that saved Chiyo and Sakura apply here. Tobirama doesn't know the Kazekage, Sasori's not friendly with Tobirama, Tobirama's not a master puppet user, Tobirama hasn't seen the attack patterns of Sasori before, and Tobirama doesn't have an ally.

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[Great Master Minato]

Tobirama isn't figuring out multitudes of attack patterns instantly without fighting for an extended period of time, no matter how smart he is. Sasori has 4.5 speed, puppets reduce Tobirama's speed, Iron Sand can't all be dodged, and FTG won't help against a surprise attack from Iron Sand. Tobirama died to a group of ninjas who somehow tagged him. Sasori has all of the best ways to tag a FTG user. Iron Sand just needs a tiny prick without Tobirama even noticing it, and he dies to poison. None of the factors that saved Chiyo and Sakura apply here. Tobirama doesn't know the Kazekage, Sasori's not friendly with Tobirama, Tobirama's not a master puppet user, Tobirama hasn't seen the attack patterns of Sasori before, and Tobirama doesn't have an ally.

I didn't say he'll figure it out instantly but he most definitely can do it way faster than Sakura.
Sasori ain't tag Tobirama considering he had a hard time tagging Sakura.
@bold No! A superior FTG user (Minato) stomps Sasori so hard.

 

[Veggie the Tormentor]

Sasori can fly.

Tobirama won't have the time to figure it out over a period of time. The fight won't be extended, as all of the factors that made Sasori vs Sakura and Chiyo extended aren't here. Abusing FTG over small chakra manipulations of puppets and Iron Sand manipulation will make him lose in stamina.

• Tobirama needs to use reaction speed to use FTG. Sasori has 4.5 speed combined with puppets reducing Tobirama's reaction speed.
• Not understanding unique attack patterns and the unique fighting style reduces reaction speed more.
• Tobirama using hand seals or a Water Release reduces it even more.
• Iron Sand will be everywhere. Iron Sand can't be reacted to if there's no knowledge about it.
• Tobirama died to a group of ninja, even with teleportation.
• Tobirama will die once he thinks Sasori is dead through his puppet body, as he has 0 knowledge.
• Minato has 0 ways to harm Sasori and isn't relevant to this fight.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Sasori can fly.

Tobirama won't have the time to figure it out over a period of time. The fight won't be extended, as all of the factors that made Sasori vs Sakura and Chiyo extended aren't here. Abusing FTG over small chakra manipulations of puppets and Iron Sand manipulation will make him lose in stamina.

• Tobirama needs to use reaction speed to use FTG. Sasori has 4.5 speed combined with puppets reducing Tobirama's reaction speed.
• Not understanding unique attack patterns and the unique fighting style reduces reaction speed more.
• Tobirama using hand seals or a Water Release reduces it even more.
• Iron Sand will be everywhere. Iron Sand can't be reacted to if there's no knowledge about it.
• Tobirama died to a group of ninja, even with teleportation.
• Tobirama will die once he thinks Sasori is dead through his puppet body, as he has 0 knowledge.
• Minato has 0 ways to harm Sasori and isn't relevant to this fight.

First of all Tobirama doesn't need FTG to avoid Sasori's attacks...
Only a retard would think Tobirama can't keep up with Sasori when Sakura could do it.

Seriously now? Are you really compare Sasori's reaction speed to Tobirama? PLEASE :lol

Iron sand's speed is literally nothing for Tobirama...reread the Juubito fight.

The same group that killed Tobirama would gang bang Sasori so...

Sasori is never ever gonna touch someone who's faster than him by miles so no scratch = Tobirama is not gonna die via poison.

The bold is enough for me to don't take you seriously anymore.

 

[Veggie the Tormentor]

First of all Tobirama doesn't need FTG to avoid Sasori's attacks...
Only a retard would think Tobirama can't keep up with Sasori when Sakura could do it.

Seriously now? Are you really compare Sasori's reaction speed to Tobirama? PLEASE :lol

Iron sand's speed is literally nothing for Tobirama...reread the Juubito fight.

The same group that killed Tobirama would gang bang Sasori so...

Sasori is never ever gonna touch someone who's faster than him by miles so no scratch = Tobirama is not gonna die via poison.

The bold is enough for me to don't take you seriously anymore.

It's not just Iron Sand or any of those alone.

LAWL, I already went over why Sakura keeping up is a bad comparison.

Tobirama, again, has no reason to see Iron Sand coming from the ground.

Rasengan isn't piercing Iron Sand and Minato is again not relevant to this fight.

 

[Great Master Minato]

It's not just Iron Sand or any of those alone.

LAWL, I already went over why Sakura keeping up is a bad comparison.

Tobirama, again, has no reason to see Iron Sand coming from the ground.

Rasengan isn't piercing Iron Sand and Minato is again not relevant to this fight.

Tobirama doesn't need intel to avoid Iron Sand & he won't get caught considering his superior reaction time & footspeed.

Your only argument is Tobirama will die before he can figure out Sasori's pattern while nothing in Sasori's arsenal is fast enough to tag Tobirama...so how is he gonna kill The 2nd?

@bold Tobirama won't get surprised by Iron Sand as it's too slow for him.

What Iron Sand? Minato will blitz & one shot Sasori before he can do anything (I don't want to continue this either, as you said it's irrelevant but if you want make a thread about it)

 

[Veggie the Tormentor]

One shot him with what? His two forms have survived Chakra Enhanced Strength and Minato has no intel on puppetry, or how Sasori would have a fake body.

Tobirama...Has no reason...To know...That Iron Sand exists in the area.

Tobirama's speed is diminished by there being a group of 100 puppets. A fast person gets caught by 10 people.

The difference in speed isn't gigantic. His reaction speed is lowered further by having to deal with constant surprise attacks.

AoE of Iron Sand will hit any fuinjutsu in the area. Tobirama won't be able to dodge, as it'll come from all directions. He's shown no defensive jutsu.

Tobirama beating Sasori's main body will get him killed, as he has no reason to believe that he's not dead, and will start to walk away.

 

[Great Master Minato]

One shot him with what? His two forms have survived Chakra Enhanced Strength and Minato has no intel on puppetry, or how Sasori would have a fake body.

Tobirama...Has no reason...To know...That Iron Sand exists in the area.

Tobirama's speed is diminished by there being a group of 100 puppets. A fast person gets caught by 10 people.

The difference in speed isn't gigantic. His reaction speed is lowered further by having to deal with constant surprise attacks.

AoE of Iron Sand will hit any fuinjutsu in the area. Tobirama won't be able to dodge, as it'll come from all directions. He's shown no defensive jutsu.

Tobirama beating Sasori's main body will get him killed, as he has no reason to believe that he's not dead, and will start to walk away.

Rasengan one shots the core...FCD one shots Sasori's whole body...Sasori can have thousands of fake bodies...Minato will just destroy him over & over again while he can't even touch Minato. (let's continue this somewhere else)

He doesn't need to know it exists...from the moment Iron Sand comes out he can dance around it with ease.

2 slugs (Sakura & Chiyo) were able to deal with those those puppets...keep the speed difference in mind...Tobirama is way faster than them...he just dance around the puppets.

Except he'll dodge as Iron Sand is too slow for him.

Sasori can attempt sneak attacks all he want but he gets wrecked due to sensory ability & superior speed.

 

[Veggie the Tormentor]

...Why would he go for the core? Gamabunta isn't crushing Sasori's body that took CES, rofl.

Iron Sand coming out from under and behind him in a blindspot isn't magically being dodged. Thousands of particles that don't require much chakra manipulation are going to catch somebody eventually. Speed doesn't matter with sand users. Tobirama has no reason to avoid all of the Iron Sand.

....Aaaaand still mentioning Sakura and Chiyo...Chiyo is actually fast with a 4 in the databook and I've already stated many times now what slows down Tobirama, and why he has none of the things that made Chiyo able to react with an ALLY to the puppets.

...Except, Iron Sand has no reason to be seen by him and simply needs to be in an elevated area.

This'll be my last post. Just repeating the same bits and pieces of my initial points against your lolblitz silliness.

 

[Great Master Minato]

...Why would he go for the core? Gamabunta isn't crushing Sasori's body that took CES, rofl.

Iron Sand coming out from under and behind him in a blindspot isn't magically being dodged. Thousands of particles that don't require much chakra manipulation are going to catch somebody eventually. Speed doesn't matter with sand users. Tobirama has no reason to avoid all of the Iron Sand.

....Aaaaand still mentioning Sakura and Chiyo...Chiyo is actually fast with a 4 in the databook and I've already stated many times now what slows down Tobirama, and why he has none of the things that made Chiyo able to react with an ALLY to the puppets.

...Except, Iron Sand has no reason to be seen by him and simply needs to be in an elevated area.

This'll be my last post. Just repeating the same bits and pieces of my initial points against your lolblitz silliness.

Sakura & Chiyo didn't have intel on the core either but they figure out the trick in the battle & don't even dare to compare their intelligence to Minato! Aside from that you didn't say anything to counter the fact that Sasori can't touch him while Minato destroy him over & over again.

Tobirama is capable of dodging that slow sand any day.

She's still far inferior to Tobirama, you basically claim that Tobirama is gonna fail to react to something that someone way slower than him could react to which is ridiculous.

Tobirama's sensory capabilities & reflexes make any sneak attack futile.

You can't understand the simple fact that nothing in Sasori's whole arsenal is fast enough to tag Tobirama yet you're the one who call me silly :lol

 

[NormalDez]

Tobirama has incredible speed which can distract Sasori. And don't forget to mention the jutsu that Tobirama carries along with him.

Tobirama wins this battle.

 

[shelke]

Wow, this thread popped up on my Usercp. Yeah, Tobirama is surely winning with that pitiful spit of a Suiton and one sole technique that uses ET, but is a suicide technique. I can't believe people are even making a case for him. He loses, and I mean badly.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Does Kishi need to spoonfeed you this information? What do you think it's made out of.. Rock? Wood? Plastic? Please.. Lets not be dumb. If you're going into war, of course you're going to wear a metallic armor. I suppose that the ninja headbands aren't made out of metal because Kishi didn't spoonfeed us this information.​

why cant it be made out of steel like his STEEL headband... also by ur logic he shouldve soloed sakura and chiyo by munipulating them... cuz they had headbands on them