Sasori V.s Kakashi

[Shodaime]

If the battle was on for ever Kakashi would lose because low chakra.

with that.

 

[DarkShadowM99]

I'm gonna go with Kakashi, he has been severely underestimated in this thread.
If he lost I absolutely disbelieve that he would've gotten whooped

-D-

 

[Shodaime]

but is sharingan always make him exhausted after he used it.

 

[DarkShadowM99]

Kakashi has copied over 1000 jutsu's, he has plenty of techniques to use b4 he would have to resort to the Sharingan, let alone a MS

-D-

 

[QwertyHero]

Sasuke couldnt read hakus moves, halfway through hakus jutsu sasuke ACTIVATES his sharingan, and can instantly see how hakus movements work, despite being incredibly fast.

Naruto didnt save his ass, it was the other way around, if you remember, because sasuke ended up with needles everywhere and naruto crying saying "why did you step in front of me?" and you think hes dead for 10 or so minutes.

Skills and strength is two different things, gai has amazing skill, if he had amazing strength he wouldve used it by now, also stating that gai can use that kind of strength means kisame must have at least 3-5x more strength than gai as he was only using 30% of his chakra and gai got his ass whooped, the only reason kisame lost was because he used the gate openers, which was stated in original naruto as a forceful way to release all your chakra in one massive attack to gain very temporarily the power of a hokage.
we wouldve seen kisame use this strength.

I think gai is very strong, but i honestly cant see him holding the hokages strength skills.

Each sannin has a unique power, and tsunades is massive strength, sakura is merely a student nowhere near tsunades strength.




If kakashi is 3-4 times more powerful then how come naruto and sakura could battle him quite well in shippuuden?

they sucked against him as genin, they got, on average 3-4 times stronger, if kakashi then got 3-4 times stronger surely itd be a similar type of match?

The only extra thing he appears to have in the 2.5 year gap is the MS, which while a terrifying attack, is still in its "beta" as it were.


Admittedly the sharingan would see through the chakra strings etc etc

Yes, Sasuke jumped in front of the needles, but without Naruto going 1-Tails, Sasuke would've been killed by Haku.
So, in a way, they saved each other.
Well, Naruto and Sakura were battling him well because he wasn't really attacking with his full power.
If he was, he would've surely killed them both.
I mean, he didn't even pull out his Chidori, so you know he wasn't trying.
Kakashi has gotten atleast 2-3 times stronger, some evidence to that is the number of times he can use Chidori.
In the Genin days, he stated he could only use it 3 times before being exhausted.
Now, I'm not sure if there even is a limit to how many times he can use it.
Also, it's stated that his hand signs are almost as fast as Itachi's hand signs.
But for the most part, it seems that you kicked my ass in this discussion but I'll still say that Kakashi would atleast get him close to death, and I think he could escape with his life.

 

[leafeater]

Kakashi could've taken Sasori, but it would've been one hell of a fight. A couple of things not mentioned as far as Kakashi's arsenal are the following. His summoning jutsu could've easily been dispersed to find Sasori even without Sharingan. Second, Kakashi can activate some of the inner chakra gates. Not as many as Gai, but he demonstrated it while climbing a cliff with one hand one his way to train Sasuke before the Chuunin fight. Kakashi has a lot of chakra; however, he uses jutsu that are extemely draining. If he had to, he could've used MS to suck in Sasori, his puppets, or the iron sand, or all of them. Sasori was very powerful, but obviously his strength was limited to only being a puppeteer.

 

[Shig]

kakashi is much stronger than Sasori.... MS wouldve suck him in the dimensional rift..sasori and his puppets... U_U

 

[twistedlink]

There is some serious overestimation of kakashi here

Remember this is the guy who couldnt even defeat a armless deidara with minimal weapons left, and lack of chakra, yet somehow he can defeat a fully equipped sasori no problem?

Am i the only one who finds that incredibly contradictory?

Not to mention kakashi has severe trouble fighting other akatsuki when he has many team-mates helping him.

Akatsuki are all S-rank ninjas, i love kakashi really i do, he is powerful and i believe he has great potential, i hope loads there is another 2-3 year gap in the series because i can imagine kakashi becoming the new hokage and being awesomely powerful.

But there is no way he could beat sasori single handedly, chiyo and sakura had trouble and she knows how he fights, she knows his moves.

One poison dart and youre out, and no matter about his sharingan, sharingan sees chakra, not needled, hes spraying out hundreds of needles everywhere, kakashi is good, but meh...kakashi and chiyo i can see sasori being beaten...

 

[TC9tails]

sasori is strong but i think kakashi can take him because sharingan can see all his moves and than he can use his mangekyo sharingan and just finish it up

 

[twistedlink]

sasori is strong but i think kakashi can take him because sharingan can see all his moves and than he can use his mangekyo sharingan and just finish it up

No it cant, sharingan sees chakra, it then sees how a jutsu works by looking at the formation of chakra and hand seals.

Sasori uses hidden poisoned darts, which have no chakra at all, and the fire spread would require knowledge of how he attacks to dodge.


His Mangekyou sharingan leaves him way open to attacks, yes he activated it when fighting tobi, however he didnt use any attacks with it, he only activated it, its using it thats the taxxing part.

If it was as simple as having the sharingan then the sharingan could beat anything, which it cant, it has been shown skilled ninjas can beat elite EMS users.

 

[QwertyHero]

There is some serious overestimation of kakashi here

Remember this is the guy who couldnt even defeat a armless deidara with minimal weapons left, and lack of chakra, yet somehow he can defeat a fully equipped sasori no problem?

Am i the only one who finds that incredibly contradictory?

Not to mention kakashi has severe trouble fighting other akatsuki when he has many team-mates helping him.

Akatsuki are all S-rank ninjas, i love kakashi really i do, he is powerful and i believe he has great potential, i hope loads there is another 2-3 year gap in the series because i can imagine kakashi becoming the new hokage and being awesomely powerful.

But there is no way he could beat sasori single handedly, chiyo and sakura had trouble and she knows how he fights, she knows his moves.

One poison dart and youre out, and no matter about his sharingan, sharingan sees chakra, not needled, hes spraying out hundreds of needles everywhere, kakashi is good, but meh...kakashi and chiyo i can see sasori being beaten...

But remember, Diadara was flying on his bird atleast 2 or 3 times faster then they were running.
That's why Kakashi used his MS because they was no other way to damage him.
Naruto could have reached him, due to his Kyubbi chakra enhancing his abilities, but he wouldn't have done anything except get killed or captured, so Kakashi took it upon himself to use his MS to defeat Diadara.
And remember, if his MS is in it's ''Beta'' stage now, back then, it was in it's ''Alpha'' stage.
He had a hard time controlling his aim with the MS and focusing his eye on one single point.

 

[twistedlink]

if his MS is in it's ''Beta'' stage now, back then, it was in it's ''Alpha'' stage.
He had a hard time controlling his aim with the MS and focusing his eye on one single point.

He has not used that MS since deidara, youre correct he activated it with tobi but he didnt unleash any attack, his focus is yet to be seen whether it has increased, kakashi is a super genius yes, but to have better aim on something like an MS technique after a few go's i wouldve thought would be even out of kakashis league surely?

I see him getting a lot better with his MS and using it to great use, but for now i think its in its infancy...

 

[QwertyHero]

He has not used that MS since deidara, youre correct he activated it with tobi but he didnt unleash any attack, his focus is yet to be seen whether it has increased, kakashi is a super genius yes, but to have better aim on something like an MS technique after a few go's i wouldve thought would be even out of kakashis league surely?

I see him getting a lot better with his MS and using it to great use, but for now i think its in its infancy...

Yea, definitely correct.
But weather or not his accuracy with the MS would decrease over usage, is unknown to me.
But, like all things, I would imagine that using MS two or more times would, for one, exhaust most ninja to the point where they couldn't use another MS jutsu [Although the same can't be said for obviously Itachi and (If he had one) Naruto] [Also, Kakashi has stated that he doesn't have a ton of stamina but he has a lot of chakra so, frankly, I don't think he can use the MS three times in a row without exhausting himself to the point of death.]
and for two, I would think that he would become EXTREMELY inaccurate after the second usage to the point of it being almost totally ineffective.
But, at this point, we really have no clue just HOW powerful Kakashi has gotten over the past few arks.
If Kishi sticks to his word, I think we'll be finding out how powerful he REALLY is very soon.

 

[twistedlink]

Yes, he used the MS technique twice in a short space of time, and in the original naruto he could only use chidori 3 times max, so his chakra supply has certainly increased vastly.

Which makes me think...in yondaime gaiden kakashi could use chidori, in fact, he used it twice in the space of theoretically-hours, yet years and years later he still only increased its shot by 1??

sounds...strange to me lol....

I think the reason he could MS deidaras massive bomb was because it was a large mostly stationary target, deidara was flying and weaving around on a bird going quite fast while he was beam hopping, whereas the bomb just originated from one point which doesnt move-making it easier for him to do.

Though he ends up in hospital for ages doing it hahaha.

 

[QwertyHero]

Yes, he used the MS technique twice in a short space of time, and in the original naruto he could only use chidori 3 times max, so his chakra supply has certainly increased vastly.

Which makes me think...in yondaime gaiden kakashi could use chidori, in fact, he used it twice in the space of theoretically-hours, yet years and years later he still only increased its shot by 1??

sounds...strange to me lol....

I think the reason he could MS deidaras massive bomb was because it was a large mostly stationary target, deidara was flying and weaving around on a bird going quite fast while he was beam hopping, whereas the bomb just originated from one point which doesnt move-making it easier for him to do.

Though he ends up in hospital for ages doing it hahaha.

Lol, I think you mean Kakashi Gaiden.
But yea, I think the reason that is because remember his jutsu that he used during the whole ''Chunnin Exam saga'' wasn't a Chidori, it was a Raikiri.
I don't know the exact difference between them, but I'm positive Raikiri is more powerful.
I guess the upgrade to Raikiri took more chakra to use?

[Taken from NarutoWikia]

* Name: Lighting Blade (雷切, Raikiri)
* Rank: S-rank, Offensive, Short range (0-5)
* Users: Kakashi Hatake
* Hand seals: Ox, Rabbit, Monkey

The Lightning Blade is an enhanced form of the Chidori with the same effects and drawbacks, but more power. Kakashi learned how to perform this ninjutsu before Kakashi Gaiden but was not able to sustain it long enough to connect. He finally made it work after a lightning bolt struck him and gave him enough power to use it and take revenge for Obito Uchiha's death. It is also said that Kakashi cut a lightning bolt in half with this technique. The first time he used it and the legend of him splitting said lightning bolt are speculated to be the origin of its name. Because the Chidori is already powerful on its own, the Raikiri requires much more chakra and better chakra control, which is examplfied in its appearance. The Chidori appears as simply a mass of white electrical chakra in the user's hand, the Raikiri is more focused and blue. Like the Chidori, Kakashi can use the technique four times a day, which is an incredible feat, considering the intensity and chakra requirements. As seen when Orochimaru was talking to Kakashi after he used the Evil Sealing Method on Sasuke, he can apparently form the Raikiri at will without any hand seals. Somewhere in the time-skip, Kakashi developed the ability to cast the technique on both of his hands, which has only been seen while fighting the Akatsuki member Kakuzu.
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I think this might be a bit out of date because I'm pretty sure he can use it more than four times a day now, as he can use his MS atleast twice a day.

 

[twistedlink]

then how come when kakashi taught sasuke chidori he said he could only use it 3 times??

chidori being the lesser powerful, quite honestly ive never seen the manga or anime state theyre different attacks, in fact ive seen the contrary, theyre the same but have two names...