Sasori Deidara and Kisame vs Pain

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ST does damage if the target hits the ground or a solid structure like it always has.

Shinra Tensei blows it all away along with the other team.

-Kisame being able to counter CT doesn't matter since he himself is the only one who can survive it like that, and if he comes out of the dome on his own then he gets fodderized. There is no saving them because the rest would've been crushed by then.

-Everything but the Cerberus is pointless to mention, not to mention the only way Kisame will absorb it's chakra is if he gets close, and getting close=getting murked by Asura, Deva and Preta path.

CST is just an auto one shot. The team loses outside of that.



At the very least it's better at breaching defenses.

True, isn't Hiding like a mole jutsu viable as well?

Would ST really blow away ISWO if its held by a strong magnetic force though? Idk it is just seeming weird blowing that shit back but it probably can.

Kisame isn't getting wrecked by Asura, and I'm saying he would absorb the chakra when Deva's cool-down is active.

They probably lose though.
 

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Let's not forget Preta Path has an absorbption limit. Madara couldn't fully absorb Rasenshuriken; GSB, and the majority of Kisame's jutsu are > Rasenshuriken's chakra.
 
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What are you disliking my post for? Do you not realize Preta Path has a set limit? Madara clearly presented Preta Path's weakness when Naruto threw Rasenshuriken, and he attempted to absorb the technique:

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At the bottom of the page, you can clearly see Rasenshuriken detonating, hence the lighting increase on the three bottom panels.

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Madara then goes on to evaluate why this happened (i.e. "too much energy.") meaning too much chakra; meaning Preta Path has a set limit of how much chakra is can absorb at a time.

And if your dislike was from me saying Kisame's GSB is more chakra potent than Naruto's Rasenshuriken then you need to reevaluate your mindset.
 

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What are you disliking my post for? Do you not realize Preta Path has a set limit? Madara clearly presented Preta Path's weakness when Naruto threw Rasenshuriken, and he attempted to absorb the technique:

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At the bottom of the page, you can clearly see Rasenshuriken detonating, hence the lighting increase on the three bottom panels.

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Madara then goes on to evaluate why this happened (i.e. "too much energy.") meaning too much chakra; meaning Preta Path has a set limit of how much chakra is can absorb at a time.

And if your dislike was from me saying Kisame's GSB is more chakra potent than Naruto's Rasenshuriken then you need to reevaluate your mindset.

Preta already showed it could absorb 6-tails of chakra so your point is irrelevant, not to mention I believe that scan is Madara merely denouncing the fact that he had to use the rinnegan against such opponents.

"Too much energy" = Too much wasted effort. Would make zero sense if he said too much energy and then absorbed it lol
 

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Preta already showed it could absorb 6-tails of chakra so your point is irrelevant, not to mention I believe that scan is Madara merely denouncing the fact that he had to use the rinnegan against such opponents.

"Too much energy" = Too much wasted effort. Would make zero sense if he said too much energy and then absorbed it lol

Preta Path's capacity more than likely is set by its host's overall reserves. Link the scan of Preta Path absorbing six tails of chakra.

No, too much energy refers to it was too much for Preta Path to absorb, meaning Rasenshuriken was in fact too potent. You can clearly see that by Madara's hand smoking. When has Preta Path ever been seen to radiate smoke? Never. Unless a clear capacity was reached.

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Preta Path's capacity more than likely is set by its host's overall reserves. Link the scan of Preta Path absorbing six tails of chakra.

No, too much energy refers to it was too much for Preta Path to absorb, meaning Rasenshuriken was in fact too potent. You can clearly see that by Madara's hand smoking. When has Preta Path ever been seen to radiate smoke? Never. Unless a clear capacity was reached.

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Naruto's FRS has smoked before.





How was it too potent if he absorbed it though? Makes no sense, didn't Pain absorb it easily before?
 

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Naruto's FRS has smoked before.





How was it too potent if he absorbed it though? Makes no sense, didn't Pain absorb it easily before?

Your first scan is linking to Jiraiya's fight against the paths. Jiraiya doesn't have FRS.

Your second panel stresses what I've already said: "Preta Path's capacity limit is dependent on its user's own reserves." Nagato's base reserves are > Madara's from my understanding.

Regardless, it was a simple shroud so even then, I could be wrong. A six-tailed shroud isn't equivalent to six tails of chakra correct me if I'm wrong with manga scans.

Madara didn't absorb the entire FRS, or there wouldn't be blow back/energy recoil (i.e. the smoke from his hand). Smoke wouldn't occur if Madara completely absorbed FRS, that wouldn't make sense, because any of the jutsu's properties wouldn't have been shown if the entirety was absorbed.

Smoking clearly shows Madara did not/could not absorb the full brunt of FRS.
 

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Your first scan is linking to Jiraiya's fight against the paths. Jiraiya doesn't have FRS.

Your second panel stresses what I've already said: "Preta Path's capacity limit is dependent on its user's own reserves." Nagato's base reserves are > Madara's from my understanding.

Regardless, it was a simple shroud so even then, I could be wrong. A six-tailed shroud isn't equivalent to six tails of chakra correct me if I'm wrong with manga scans.

Madara didn't absorb the entire FRS, or there wouldn't be blow back/energy recoil (i.e. the smoke from his hand). Smoke wouldn't occur if Madara completely absorbed FRS, that wouldn't make sense, because any of the jutsu's properties wouldn't have been shown if the entirety was absorbed.

Smoking clearly shows Madara did not/could not absorb the full brunt of FRS.

There is smoke coming after Pain absorbed Jiraiya's jutsu.......Your smoke argument is dumb, it absorbs chakra not heat nor does it absorb friction which FRS creates heavily.


What? So you're saying Nagato has more chakra reserves than an Edo-Madara? Don't answer that question as it will make you sound extremely dumb.

- V2 Bee has even more chakra actually so it absorbed more chakra than Samehada could by quite a bit with no backlash.
 

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There is smoke coming after Pain absorbed Jiraiya's jutsu.......Your smoke argument is dumb, it absorbs chakra not heat nor does it absorb friction which FRS creates heavily.


What? So you're saying Nagato has more chakra reserves than an Edo-Madara? Don't answer that question as it will make you sound extremely dumb.

- V2 Bee has even more chakra actually so it absorbed more chakra than Samehada could by quite a bit with no backlash.

Rasengan, and FRS are two entirely different jutsu. Seriously? One incorporates wind, while the other is plain chakra. I'm surprised you're even reaching like that, considering your avid fascination for the Zombie Duo arc. You know, with the whole FRS soloing your favorite character. Terrible, terrible comparison. Don't ever say something like that again.

The chakra put into FRS to make the jutsu creates the properties (i.e. energy = heat) if the full technique was absorbed, none of that would've been present. That literally isn't hard to comprehend.

You do realize that was Edo Nagato correct? Pay attention to your own scans. Nagato has higher base chakra than the Madara who went up against the Gokage if you retire the Edo status. Edo Nagato > Edo Madara in chakra reserves. This isn't hard to comprehend either.

Edo Tensei doesn't grant the user infinite chakra, merely unlimited (i.e. their chakra reserves are the same as they were alive, it's just it doesn't run out). A clear testament of this is Madara's meteor technique. If he truly had infinite amounts of chakra more than two meteors would've been dropped. That's a fact.

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This scan clarifies it further. Six tails of shroud chakra isn't equivalent to literally six tails of whole chakra. If that were the case, B would've been near exhaustion seeing as he would've only had two tails left. Which he wasn't as can be seen here:

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Rasengan, and FRS are two entirely different jutsu. Seriously? One incorporates wind, while the other is plain chakra. I'm surprised you're even reaching like that, considering your avid fascination for the Zombie Duo arc. You know, with the whole FRS soloing your favorite character. Terrible, terrible comparison. Don't ever say something like that again.

The chakra put into FRS to make the jutsu creates the properties (i.e. energy = heat) if the full technique was absorbed, none of that would've been present. That literally isn't hard to comprehend.

You do realize that was Edo Nagato correct? Pay attention to your own scans. Nagato has higher base chakra than the Madara who went up against the Gokage if you retire the Edo status. Edo Nagato > Edo Madara in chakra reserves. This isn't hard to comprehend either.

Edo Tensei doesn't grant the user infinite chakra, merely unlimited (i.e. their chakra reserves are the same as they were alive, it's just it doesn't run out). A clear testament of this is Madara's meteor technique. If he truly had infinite amounts of chakra more than two meteors would've been dropped. That's a fact.

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This scan clarifies it further. Six tails of shroud chakra isn't equivalent to literally six tails of whole chakra. If that were the case, B would've been near exhaustion seeing as he would've only had two tails left. Which he wasn't as can be seen here:

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Dear god :lol it was absorbing Jiraiya's Goamon jutsu not FRS,which doesn't really matter my point is that smoke was present when preta was absorbing it why are you bringing up anything else? :lol

I know what edo means, but what you said was a bunch of nothing as you stated Madara went up against the Gokage yet you said Nagato has higher chakra reserves which was never proven :lol.

Obviously its not as much chakra as the entire 6 tails bijuu ...... I didn't think I needed to say that lol, 6 tails of chakra is still quite a bit in a cloak though obviously.
 

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Dear god :lol it was absorbing Jiraiya's Goamon jutsu not FRS,which doesn't really matter my point is that smoke was present when preta was absorbing it why are you bringing up anything else? :lol

I know what edo means, but what you said was a bunch of nothing as you stated Madara went up against the Gokage yet you said Nagato has higher chakra reserves which was never proven :lol.

Obviously its not as much chakra as the entire 6 tails bijuu ...... I didn't think I needed to say that lol, 6 tails of chakra is still quite a bit in a cloak though obviously.

It's like you're legit slow, and can't comprehend basic sentence structure. No where did I say Jiraiya had FRS. Do you not pay attention to the same scans you link?

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Here, at the bottom page you can blatantly see the cloud of smoke rising. Smoke was present before the Preta Path had stepped in, not after. Irregardless that wasn't the point. Smoke can still reside, I'm talking about smoke radiating from Preta Path from absorbing FRS.

In the scan you linked Preta Path isn't radiating smoke. Do you see it? Clearly it's not there. The reason FRS caused Madara's Preta Path to exude smoke was from the inability to absorb the full brunt of energy FRS possesses, clearly Preta Path here was capable, as Jiraiya states he got rid of the oil (i.e. the jutsu).

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So now you think the Madara who went up against the Gokage has more chakra than Nagato, an Uzumaki? Oh my. Let's just leave it at that if you truly believe such nonsense.

Knowing the nonsense you spout out of your mouth I couldn't be too sure. SM FRS > Bijuu cloak in potency. This is clear as day. If Nagato was capable of fully absorbing it, while Madara wasn't able to absorb an enhanced SM FRS. I pray you don't try to say SM didn't increase the potency of FRS when manga states that's what SM does.

There's no point in even arguing with you, especially when you're incapable of understanding basic implications.

 

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It's like you're legit slow, and can't comprehend basic sentence structure. No where did I say Jiraiya had FRS. Do you not pay attention to the same scans you link?

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Here, at the bottom page you can blatantly see the cloud of smoke rising. Smoke was present before the Preta Path had stepped in, not after. Irregardless that wasn't the point. Smoke can still reside, I'm talking about smoke radiating from Preta Path from absorbing FRS.

In the scan you linked Preta Path isn't radiating smoke. Do you see it? Clearly it's not there. The reason FRS caused Madara's Preta Path to exude smoke was from the inability to absorb the full brunt of energy FRS possesses, clearly Preta Path here was capable, as Jiraiya states he got rid of the oil (i.e. the jutsu).

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So now you think the Madara who went up against the Gokage has more chakra than Nagato, an Uzumaki? Oh my. Let's just leave it at that if you truly believe such nonsense.

Knowing the nonsense you spout out of your mouth I couldn't be too sure. SM FRS > Bijuu cloak in potency. This is clear as day. If Nagato was capable of fully absorbing it, while Madara wasn't able to absorb an enhanced SM FRS. I pray you don't try to say SM didn't increase the potency of FRS when manga states that's what SM does.

There's no point in even arguing with you, especially when you're incapable of understanding basic implications.


You're a moron :lol THERE IS STILL SMOKE THAT WAS CLEARLY CREATED BY PRETA SO YOUR INCREDIBLY STUPID PHYSICS IGNORING POINT IS INVALID. There is no smoke in the first scan you posted just liquid, hence why the "smoke SFX" isn't until the second scan.

I meant COR not FRS lol I don't put in much effort arguing with known idiots.

-SFX literally states smoke and there is no smoke visible in the scan you just posted lol

-FRS is known to have rapidly vibrating properties which causes friction

-Madara who went up against Gokage should be > EMS Madara in terms of chakra reserves as he has the Hashi cells, and why the hell are you even arguing this? This is a Pain thread :lol
 
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You're a moron :lol THERE IS STILL SMOKE THAT WAS CLEARLY CREATED BY PRETA SO YOUR INCREDIBLY STUPID PHYSICS IGNORING POINT IS INVALID.

I meant COR not FRS lol I don't put in much effort arguing with known idiots.


Hilarious. How can smoke be created by Preta Path when it merely absorbs chakra. Smoke was created by the oil + fire combination, clearly seen in the panels. FRS's energy created the smoke radiating from Madara's palm due to overcapacity.

I literally laughed at your belligerent stupidity regarding the bold/underlined. Physics ignoring? Says the one claiming Preta Path created smoke, when it's only capability is siphoning chakra.

It's quite hilarious that you're comparing a Katon to a Fuuton, when the two canonically execute themselves differently/genetic makeup is different.

You shouldn't call someone a moron/idiot when you post fallacious nonsense such as: Doton: Domu tanks Night Guy.

Domu tanks.

Undoubtedly that's sarcasm, as I've seen you horrendously hype this technique.
 

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You're a moron :lol THERE IS STILL SMOKE THAT WAS CLEARLY CREATED BY PRETA SO YOUR INCREDIBLY STUPID PHYSICS IGNORING POINT IS INVALID. There is no smoke in the first scan you posted just liquid, hence why the "smoke SFX" isn't until the second scan.

I meant COR not FRS lol I don't put in much effort arguing with known idiots.

-SFX literally states smoke and there is no smoke visible in the scan you just posted lol

-FRS is known to have rapidly vibrating properties which causes friction

-Madara who went up against Gokage should be > EMS Madara in terms of chakra reserves as he has the Hashi cells, and why the hell are you even arguing this? This is a Pain thread :lol

Get errrr.
 

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Hilarious. How can smoke be created by Preta Path when it merely absorbs chakra. Smoke was created by the oil + fire combination, clearly seen in the panels. FRS's energy created the smoke radiating from Madara's palm due to overcapacity.

I literally laughed at your belligerent stupidity regarding the bold/underlined. Physics ignoring? Says the one claiming Preta Path created smoke, when it's only capability is siphoning chakra.


It's quite hilarious that you're comparing a Katon to a Fuuton, when the two canonically execute themselves differently/genetic makeup is different.



You shouldn't call someone a moron/idiot when you post fallacious nonsense such as: Doton: Domu tanks Night Guy.


Undoubtedly that's sarcasm, as I've seen you horrendously hype this technique.

Because absorbing techniques that have smoke creating properties doesn't absorb the smoke that is my entire point you complete moron, you're literally proving my point here. You're sitting here telling me that the smoke Madara emitted was from the excess energy of FRS but how does that make sense? How did this energy get converted into smoke :lol this would mean that Preta not absorbing FRS converted the leftover chakra to smoke which makes zero sense.

Quite hilarious that you're contradicting yourself every sentence, smoke wasn't present until Preta absorbed the jutsu because it is a jutsu with smoke creating properties, just like FRS and its friction.

If you actually believe I think Domu tanks you're an absolute BEYOND COMPREHENSIABLE moron :lol

What? You just said that you know its sarcasm so why are you even bringing it into this thread (which I see you like to stalk people's posts when you are butt hurt) I don't need to bring up all the times you've been called a moron in the one week you've been present in the VS section :lol

This mf who thinks Suigetsu = V1 Ay in speed over one striking scan thinks I'm a moron lol I'm in tears.
 
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-SFX literally states smoke and there is no smoke visible in the scan you just posted lol

-FRS is known to have rapidly vibrating properties which causes friction



Use your eyes child. You're literally arguing a technique that uses oil + fire combination vs a energy based construct. Two entirely different things; you're probably confusing your feeble mind with this.

Preta Path clearly wasn't emitting smoke when it absorbed the Jiraiya's technique.
Preta Path clearly was emitting smoke when it absorbed Naruto's SM FRS.

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Realize you're wrong quickly, before you make yourself look like more of a moron than you already are.


 

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Because absorbing techniques that have smoke creating properties doesn't absorb the smoke that is my entire point you complete moron, you're literally proving my point here. You're sitting here telling me that the smoke Madara emitted was from the excess energy of FRS but how does that make sense? How did this energy get converted into smoke :lol this would mean that Preta not absorbing FRS converted the leftover chakra to smoke which makes zero sense.

Quite hilarious that you're contradicting yourself every sentence, smoke wasn't present until Preta absorbed the jutsu because it is a jutsu with smoke creating properties, just like FRS and its friction.

If you actually believe I think Domu tanks you're an absolute BEYOND COMPREHENSIABLE moron :lol

What? You just said that you know its sarcasm so why are you even bringing it into this thread (which I see you like to stalk people's posts when you are butt hurt) I don't need to bring up all the times you've been called a moron in the one week you've been present in the VS section :lol

This mf who thinks Suigetsu = V1 Ay in speed over one striking scan thinks I'm a moron lol I'm in tears.

You are absolutely, positively moronic. No one is talking about absorbing the smoke; like I said previously your comprehension is terrible.

FRS is pure energy, the molecules vibrating excessively together create thermal energy similar to a TBB. TBB create heat (i.e. thermal energy), smoke is a byproduct of heat.

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How stupid do you look? You couldn't even comprehend the basic concept of energy, yet you yourself stated why FRS makes the sound it does (i.e. vibrating molecules).

You need reading comprehension as I never stated Suigetsu >/= V1 Ei because he reacted to his strike. You saying such a moronic statement is clear enough to me that you're not worthy of continuing this "argument" with. You're hilariously stupendous.



 

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You are absolutely, positively moronic. No one is talking about absorbing the smoke; like I said previously your comprehension is terrible.

FRS is pure energy, the molecules vibrating excessively together create thermal energy similar to a TBB. TBB create heat (i.e. thermal energy), smoke is a byproduct of heat.

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How stupid do you look? You couldn't even comprehend the basic concept of energy, yet you yourself stated why FRS makes the sound it does (i.e. vibrating molecules).

You need reading comprehension as I never stated Suigetsu >/= V1 Ei because he reacted to his strike. You saying such a moronic statement is clear enough to me that you're not worthy of continuing this "argument" with. You're hilariously stupendous.




You literally just contradicted you're whole argument and proved my point, no shit Preta can't absorb the smoke as it absorbs chakra and nothing else and since the smoke is a byproduct of heat/friction its not chakra clearly :lol

You clearly need comprehension as you're the one who's been arguing "preta didn't absorb smoke so it must have overwhelmed Madara"

I'll dislike you're idiotic posts anytime I please lol


I UNDERSTAND HOW THE SMOKE WAS MADE I'M NOT ARGUING PRETA CREATED THE SMOKE AND if I used the word created earlier its because I was watching the game and arguing this at the same time. I'm saying Preta didn't absorb the smoke here so no shit its not going to absorb it against FRS either that produces smoke for other reasons.

Preta absorbs chakra smoke=/=chakra so its not absorbed end of story.


Edit- Did this mf just call me stupendous trying to insult me? Do you not know the English language as that is twice you've misused words hilariously lol.
 
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Wait only Kisame can survive CT, but Sasori, who can make a Iron Shield, cant?

Can someone explain this to me?
 

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You literally just contradicted you're whole argument and proved my point, no shit Preta can't absorb the smoke as it absorbs chakra and nothing else and since the smoke is a byproduct of heat/friction its not chakra clearly :lol

You clearly need comprehension as you're the one who's been arguing "preta didn't absorb smoke so it must have overwhelmed Madara"

I'll dislike you're idiotic posts anytime I please lol


I UNDERSTAND HOW THE SMOKE WAS MADE I'M NOT ARGUING PRETA CREATED THE SMOKE AND if I used the word created earlier its because I was watching the game and arguing this at the same time. I'm saying Preta didn't absorb the smoke here so no shit its not going to absorb it against FRS either that produces smoke for other reasons.

Preta absorbs chakra smoke=/=chakra so its not absorbed end of story.


Edit- Did this mf just call me stupendous trying to insult me? Do you not know the English language as that is twice you've misused words hilariously lol.

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You literally have not understood anything. No one is talking about absorbing smoke. At all.

Wait only Kisame can survive CT, but Sasori, who can make a Iron Shield, cant?

Can someone explain this to me?

It's doubtful Sasori or Deidara will get caught in CT, seeing as they have aerial capabilities.
 
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