Sasori Deidara and Kisame vs Pain

[Unorthodox]

Info - Manga
Distance - 65m
Location - Juubi vs SA
Conditions - Pain starts with all his paths out.
Restrictions - C,0

 

[Tantalus Thief]

They have no counter to CT.

Otherwise the trio would probably win.

 

[Byakuren]

They have no counter to CT.

Otherwise the trio would probably win.

Yeah they do. GSB > CT Core.

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[EZQ]

GSB absorbs the CT core if it's fired before it absorbs the rocks and they act as a shield to the orb. I doubt the teams have manga knowledge on CT. They die crushed

 

[Byakuren]

GSB absorbs the CT core if it's fired before it absorbs the rocks and they act as a shield to the orb. I doubt the teams have manga knowledge on CT. They die crushed

Itachi, and co. had time to fire off their strongest techniques, while chatting. I'm sure Kisame, and co. can do the same.

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[EZQ]

Itachi, and co. had time to fire off their strongest techniques, while chatting. I'm sure Kisame, and co. can do the same.

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But it's different. Itachi and Co didn't need to do it before the rocks covered all over the core, making it impossible for the GSB to absorb the orb.

 

[KidGamer65]

Pain wins regardless of intel and restrictions on Deidara's C0.

-Animal, Deva and Asura all have the ability to block Iron Sand, though only Deva and Asura will be able to manage the stronger structures. Reaction isn't an issue as Sakura and Chiyo can both react.

-Deidara's bombs can also be repelled, or they can be tanked by the Cerberus. FRS can't put it down so no bomb Deidara has in his arsenal will do any better bar C4, which can be blown away using Shinra Tensei.

-Almost Kisame's entire arsenal is fodder for Preta Path, and any attempt to use non chakra based techs like IS and Deidara's bombs are thwarted by Shinra Tensei, Asura's bombs, or Cerberus's body.

They won't exploit the 5 second limit due to the fact that Animal Path along with Asura Path have the capability to block any attacks launched within that timeframe. Even if a Pain dies they can be revived by Animal Path. If Kisame uses the Water Dome he only makes it worse on his teammates, not to mention Preta Path would suck it up in a matter of seconds.

-Shinra Tensei tossed Bunta out of the village and broke almost every bone in his body. Kisame is the only one on this team who will survive an impact like that, Sasori too assuming his core isn't destroyed, but his puppets will be wrecked. They can't overpower it, they can't predict it, and they can't do anything to soften their landing. Only thing that comes to mind is Kisame, and all his Ninjutsu is food for Preta. CST is an automatic one shot.

-CT is an automatic one shot.

Pain wins mid-high diff.

 

[Byakuren]

But it's different. Itachi and Co didn't need to do it before the rocks covered all over the core, making it impossible for the GSB to absorb the orb.

But it's not. Kisame's GSB would destroy the gathered debris. The technique from the databook entry: Sution Daikoudan no Jutsu The shark's roar eats and shreds to pieces the enemy jutsu, while one's own power restores!! A massive chakra bullet in the shape of a large shark, the Jutsu bursts towards the target it's aimed at. It has the ability to absorb the enemies chakra and change that into ones own power. The large shark stores the opponents chakra in it's belly, it's bottomless appetite is sated by it's fangs shredding the enemy to pieces. The opponent's and this jutsu clash, the chakra is eaten which results in a massive release. GSB should be able to easily gnaw through the gathered debris, especially if executed early, similar to how Itachi, and co. did. If that's the case, CT ceases.

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[Edogawa]

Yeah they do. GSB > CT Core.

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Tangible gravity can't be absorbed.

OT: Pain with utter ease. CT is one-shot; aside from that, the paths counter their abilities.

Sasori's puppet's are demolished with rockets. Iron Sand is absorbed since, unlike Gaara's natural sand, Iron Sand is stated to be Ninjutsu copycat of Shukaku, which can be absorbed. Sasori's poisons don't work on dead manipulated corpses. Deidara's bombs are constructed from Chakra, so they are victim of absorption. Asura Path's rockets are also superior in explosive power. They clays can also be shut down with black rods. Kisame's Suiton is absorbed by Preta Path, which has superior absorption consumption than Samehada, analyzing that Samehada can only absorb 6 tails worth of Hachibi's Chakra, whereas Preta can absorb the entire V2 cloak in sec.

Pain destroyed all of Konoha singlehandedly. Sasori lost to Chiyo and Shippuden Sakura. Deidara lost to Hebi Sasuke. Kisame lost to Gai.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Team wins. Pains reaction hardly react to FRS launch speed and IS is much faster. And we know Chiyo had experience facing both jutsus, as she can avoid FRS with ease but couldn't FULL POWER against IS. 6 spikes is all it takes to put some bodies down. The only one that would survive here is Deva, via ST, and the next shot takes him out by being pressure from the Atatsuki Team.

Asura Path is a nonfactor based on the fact he, and his move-set, can be manipulated by the Kazekage magnetic field. So Asura being on the field helps Akatsuki Team.

Summons on the field gets poisoned and useless, if somehow that Path survive IS launch, which she isnt.

Once Preta is taken out, Kisame can be a factor and take out CT. But even then Deva gets pressured so bad he wont even get a chance to pull this out.

 

[EZQ]

Tangible gravity can't be absorbed.

OT: Pain with utter ease. CT is one-shot; aside from that, the paths counter their abilities.

Sasori's puppet's are demolished with rockets. Iron Sand is absorbed since, unlike Gaara's natural sand, Iron Sand is stated to be Ninjutsu copycat of Shukaku, which can be absorbed. Sasori's poisons don't work on dead manipulated corpses. Deidara's bombs are constructed from Chakra, so they are victim of absorption. Asura Path's rockets are also superior in explosive power. They clays can also be shut down with black rods. Kisame's Suiton is absorbed by Preta Path, which has superior absorption consumption than Samehada, analyzing that Samehada can only absorb 6 tails worth of Hachibi's Chakra, whereas Preta can absorb the entire V2 cloak in sec.

Pain destroyed all of Konoha singlehandedly. Sasori lost to Chiyo and Shippuden Sakura. Deidara lost to Hebi Sasuke. Kisame lost to Gai.

My eyes hurt so bad

 

[Byakuren]

Tangible gravity can't be absorbed.

Tangible gravity? The orb is simply chakra. Anywho: Chibaku Tensei's core is created through chakra, initially through the same mechanics as Magnetism Release. Spoiler You must be registered for see images You must be registered for see images You must be registered for see images If the core wasn't created through chakra (which is asinine to believe), Itachi, and co. wouldn't have performed their strongest ninjutsu-based attacks aimed at the object. They clearly overpowered the chakra induced inside of the core, ceasing the technique.

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[Edogawa]

Tangible gravity? The orb is simply chakra. Anywho: Chibaku Tensei's core is created through chakra, initially through the same mechanics as Magnetism Release. Spoiler You must be registered for see images You must be registered for see images You must be registered for see images If the core wasn't created through chakra (which is asinine to believe), Itachi, and co. wouldn't have performed their strongest ninjutsu-based attacks aimed at the object. They clearly overpowered the chakra induced inside of the core, ceasing the technique.

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Don't copy a stupid irrelevant existence humanoid creature like EZQ. Tangible gravity is a gravity that is seen and felt, in the case like CT orb. Rinnegan techniques can't be absorbed because they are physical existence, unlike majority of Ninjutsu. The Databook IV states ST and BT both utilize earth's gravity in an attractive and repulsive manners, meaning they are NV's gravity attacks, which cannot be absorbed by any means. CT isn't going to be absorbed.

GSB has a 2nd mechanic part and that it gets stronger after absorbing an attack. Let's say that CT can be absorbed (which it can't), how will GSB get stronger?

 

[Byakuren]

Don't copy a stupid irrelevant existence humanoid creature like EZQ. Tangible gravity is a gravity that is seen and felt, in the case like CT orb. Rinnegan techniques can't be absorbed because they are physical existence, unlike majority of Ninjutsu. The Databook IV states ST and BT both utilize earth's gravity in an attractive and repulsive manners, meaning they are NV's gravity attacks, which cannot be absorbed by any means. CT isn't going to be absorbed.

GSB has a 2nd mechanic part and that it gets stronger after absorbing an attack. Let's say that CT can be absorbed (which it can't), how will GSB get stronger?

Never. I was generally curious, as many debates have been had in regards to: If gravity truly is tangible. How do you think those techniques are mustered Edogawa? Through chakra. This is clearly shown when Nagato had resorted to CT. Konan blatantly stating his body couldn't take much more, worried he would die. A body without chakra, is a deceased one, as Kakashi firmly ensured to Sasuke in Pt.I. Spoiler You must be registered for see images You must be registered for see images Further evidence shown when Nagato exerted so much chakra he began to bleed, and heavily sweat from the amount of strenuous activity he'd forced upon his body, despite low on reserves. Spoiler You must be registered for see images You must be registered for see images You must be registered for see images Clearly chakra exhaustion. __ GSB absorbs chakra induced into an attack, I'm not sure what you mean by "how it gets stronger" when canonical evidence portrays CT has chakra, and GSB would absorb it.

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[Edogawa]

Never. I was generally curious, as many debates have been had in regards to: If gravity truly is tangible. How do you think those techniques are mustered Edogawa? Through chakra. This is clearly shown when Nagato had resorted to CT. Konan blatantly stating his body couldn't take much more, worried he would die. A body without chakra, is a deceased one, as Kakashi firmly ensured to Sasuke in Pt.I. Spoiler You must be registered for see images You must be registered for see images Further evidence shown when Nagato exerted so much chakra he began to bleed, and heavily sweat from the amount of strenuous activity he'd forced upon his body, despite low on reserves. Spoiler You must be registered for see images You must be registered for see images You must be registered for see images Clearly chakra exhaustion. __ GSB absorbs chakra induced into an attack, I'm not sure what you mean by "how it gets stronger" when canonical evidence portrays CT has chakra, and GSB would absorb it.

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Nobody said CT doesn't require Chakra. Its magnitude is a process of Chakra doesn't mean the orb itself is Chakra. I already gave you evidence that Deva techniques utilize earth's gravity (physical and not Chakra). Can GSB absorb earth's gravity? No, it can't.

Spoiler

Pain Tendou uses this jutsu, utilizing the generated from the users hands repulsive (gravity) force to repel targets away. The number of targets that can be repelled and their size are irrelevant . In addition by stopping the utilization of other Pain paths the amount of chakra put in the jutsu, its strength and area of effect can be greatly increased. With one strike of its power entire Konoha no sato (Konoha village) was turned to smoldering ash. But after this jutsu has been triggered there is a small five second window it can't be used again. The originating repulsion force generated by the power of all creation”shinra obiki” (something that binds all together,so likely gravitation) forces its targets to collide together with a great force and put out additional damage, combined together with the initial force (shock wave) it puts up even more damage. Only those who can manipulate all chakra transformation properties (seishitsu) legendary “Rinnegan” wielders are allowed to posses this jutsu that has all rights to be called “crystally perfect”.
Picture: Its repulsion force is so strong that even ninjutsu and taijutsu are equally ineffective against this jutsu, with an unexpected discharge of the invisible force, it is very easy to catch opponents off guard .
So it seems that shinra tensei uses natural gravitational force, and only the one who has all chakra transformation (including yin-yang) can manipulate natural gravity field (shinra obiki).

Not to mention before even attempting to absorb the orb, it has to destroy the surrounding objects - being mountain range which are shielding the orb, and it isn't accomplishing it. GSB has no destructive power.

 

[EZQ]

Don't copy a stupid irrelevant existence humanoid creature like EZQ. Tangible gravity is a gravity that is seen and felt, in the case like CT orb. Rinnegan techniques can't be absorbed because they are physical existence, unlike majority of Ninjutsu. The Databook IV states ST and BT both utilize earth's gravity in an attractive and repulsive manners, meaning they are NV's gravity attacks, which cannot be absorbed by any means. CT isn't going to be absorbed.

GSB has a 2nd mechanic part and that it gets stronger after absorbing an attack. Let's say that CT can be absorbed (which it can't), how will GSB get stronger?

Lmao at the underlined

Anyways... there's no such thing as tangible gravity. The mass of the orb is very high, and the orb itself is very low. The density approachs a black hole (a lot less of course) and that's how it sucks things.

 

[Zexion~]

Pain wins regardless of intel and restrictions on Deidara's C0.

-Animal, Deva and Asura all have the ability to block Iron Sand, though only Deva and Asura will be able to manage the stronger structures. Reaction isn't an issue as Sakura and Chiyo can both react.

-Deidara's bombs can also be repelled, or they can be tanked by the Cerberus. FRS can't put it down so no bomb Deidara has in his arsenal will do any better bar C4, which can be blown away using Shinra Tensei.

-Almost Kisame's entire arsenal is fodder for Preta Path, and any attempt to use non chakra based techs like IS and Deidara's bombs are thwarted by Shinra Tensei, Asura's bombs, or Cerberus's body.

They won't exploit the 5 second limit due to the fact that Animal Path along with Asura Path have the capability to block any attacks launched within that timeframe. Even if a Pain dies they can be revived by Animal Path. If Kisame uses the Water Dome he only makes it worse on his teammates, not to mention Preta Path would suck it up in a matter of seconds.

-Shinra Tensei tossed Bunta out of the village and broke almost every bone in his body. Kisame is the only one on this team who will survive an impact like that, Sasori too assuming his core isn't destroyed, but his puppets will be wrecked. They can't overpower it, they can't predict it, and they can't do anything to soften their landing. Only thing that comes to mind is Kisame, and all his Ninjutsu is food for Preta. CST is an automatic one shot.

-CT is an automatic one shot.

Pain wins mid-high diff.

So you're saying ST does damage now?

How do they counter ISWO?

I can see the team taking this until the one shot moves come into play although Kisame already has a known counter to CT being his Voyage jutsu which allows him to move through the rocks until he can absorb the orb directly.

Summons aren't a problem as they can have their chakra removed via Kisame and C2 takes everything down but the Cerberus.'

Besides CST I don't see how pain wins here as long as the trio knows to go for Naraka sooner rather than later.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Pain wins here. KG Basically explained it all.

-Deidara's bombs can also be repelled, or they can be tanked by the Cerberus. FRS can't put it down so no bomb Deidara has in his arsenal will do any better bar C4, which can be blown away using Shinra Tensei.

Boy you still think FRS>C3 LMAO

 

[KidGamer65]

So you're saying ST does damage now?

How do they counter ISWO?

I can see the team taking this until the one shot moves come into play although Kisame already has a known counter to CT being his Voyage jutsu which allows him to move through the rocks until he can absorb the orb directly.

Summons aren't a problem as they can have their chakra removed via Kisame and C2 takes everything down but the Cerberus.'

Besides CST I don't see how pain wins here as long as the trio knows to go for Naraka sooner rather than later.

ST does damage if the target hits the ground or a solid structure like it always has.

Shinra Tensei blows it all away along with the other team.

-Kisame being able to counter CT doesn't matter since he himself is the only one who can survive it like that, and if he comes out of the dome on his own then he gets fodderized. There is no saving them because the rest would've been crushed by then.

-Everything but the Cerberus is pointless to mention, not to mention the only way Kisame will absorb it's chakra is if he gets close, and getting close=getting murked by Asura, Deva and Preta path.

CST is just an auto one shot. The team loses outside of that.

Pain wins here. KG Basically explained it all.



Boy you still think FRS>C3 LMAO

At the very least it's better at breaching defenses.

 

[TRE MERCER]

At the very least it's better at breaching defenses.

True that's if it's using it's slicing power. However the claim you made with the dogs is inaccurate as slicing power doesn't do anything but make them multiple. C3 would be far more useful to use on them then a FRS.