Sasori and Deidara vs The Gokage.

[AGoodBoy]

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Bee doesn't look like he is getting shocked.

Juugo didn't look like he was getting electrocuted when he had a V2 fist inside himself.

And since he rode Onoki like Seabiscuit wearing V2, and Onoki not getting electrocuted, you can deduce that the shroud just increases physical qualities and actually has no electrical qualities.

Are you trying to be a comedian?

All i'm going to say is bee's a raiton user. I don't even need to say more.
Lol ,suddenly electricity no longer does it's job of being electricity because someone didn't get 'shocked'.... Mysides. Yea, Bro, the raiton's for show.

EDIT: Obito got

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a raikiri but he wasn't paralyzed, does that mean only sasuke's raiton works like electricity now? [

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onoki messes with their molecular structure thereby reducing gravity's hold - reason for flight, whichever method he uses for flight, it messes with the general gravitational effect on their bodies meaning they wont be able to move as freely on the ground as they did before, especially without proper training

there is a sideaffect to every jutsu

damn the ass kissing on the base is unbelievable

i've been practicly saying the same for hours

Ground? Why would they be on the ground now If deid's flying away? I see no reason for ay to even need to run on the ground. He can easily battle sasori by flying at him.

 

[Shura]

^ Didn't even read the rest of Penguin's post..

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

Are you trying to be a comedian?

All i'm going to say is bee's a raiton user. I don't even need to say more.
Lol ,suddenly electricity no longer does it's job of being electricity because someone didn't get 'shocked'.... Mysides. Yea, Bro, the raiton's for show. :coffe:


Ground? Why would they be on the ground now If deid's flying away? I see no reason for ay to even need to run on the ground. He can easily battle sasori by flying at him.

the point is deidara would still have the advantage one way or the other.

 

[AGoodBoy]

^ Didn't even read the rest of Penguin's post..

I read it all. It doesn't negate the fact that just because it didn't shock some people doesn't mean it's not raiton. He still has lightning channeling through his body. He still paralyzed madara with lightning. You can have electricty that doesn't even make you flinch or electricity that kills you on the spot; doesn't mean it's not electricity in the former.

the point is deidara would still have the advantage one way or the other.

I'm lost. If he's flying how does deid have any advantage? Deid's a flier, now ay's flying, dodging him, doing what not yada yada. deid's not even a ground fighter.

 

[Penguin]

Are you trying to be a comedian?

All i'm going to say is bee's a raiton user. I don't even need to say more.
Lol ,suddenly electricity no longer does it's job of being electricity because someone didn't get 'shocked'.... Mysides. Yea, Bro, the raiton's for show.

EDIT: Obito got

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Ground? Why would they be on the ground now If deid's flying away? I see no reason for ay to even need to run on the ground. He can easily battle sasori by flying at him.

In the scan you posted, Kakashi's Raikiri went completely through Obito, which means the electricity no longer would touch Obito. In the other scan, the electrical item was in their opponent letting the Raiton flow through their body.

 

[shelke]

Considering the fact that the Third Raikage has to actually focus the Chakra on his fingers to create a Chidori-like Raiton attack to spear through Doton walls, proves to me that Raiton shroud and Chidori are not the same at all. One is a focused Raiton attack, whilst the other simply surrounds the user, enhancing Reflex rate and defense.

 

[Penguin]

Considering the fact that the Third Raikage has to actually focus the Chakra on his fingers to create a Chidori-like Raiton attack to spear through Doton walls, proves to me that Raiton shroud and Chidori are not the same at all. One is a focused Raiton attack, whilst the other simply surrounds the user, enhancing Reflex rate and defense.

And does not have raiton like properties.

 

[AGoodBoy]

In the scan you posted, Kakashi's Raikiri went completely through Obito, which means the electricity no longer would touch Obito. In the other scan, the electrical item was in their opponent letting the Raiton flow through their body.

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Explain? Ay touched water, madara got paralysed by lightning from his shroud.

Considering the fact that the Third Raikage has to actually focus the Chakra on his fingers to create a Chidori-like Raiton attack to spear through Doton walls, proves to me that Raiton shroud and Chidori are not the same at all. One is a focused Raiton attack, whilst the other simply surrounds the user, enhancing Reflex rate and defense.

And does not have raiton like properties.

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Sasuke focuses raiton into his finger tips to do chidori.

 

[shelke]

^ So, you are basically agreeing with me? In the first image, the Raiton was only made effective by running it through Mei's Suiton technique. Ae didn't attempt it otherwise, nor does it state that it's concentrated enough to numb the user otherwise, as Penguin already proved. I am not sure what you are trying to prove through Sasuke, as I have been saying all along that Chidori and Raiton Shroud are not the same.

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

I read it all. It doesn't negate the fact that just because it didn't shock some people doesn't mean it's not raiton. He still has lightning channeling through his body. He still paralyzed madara with lightning. You can have electricty that doesn't even make you flinch or electricity that kills you on the spot; doesn't mean it's not electricity in the former.


I'm lost. If he's flying how does deid have any advantage? Deid's a flier, now ay's flying, dodging him, doing what not yada yada. deid's not even a ground fighter.

deidara can fight both ways, and hes smart enough to tell the jutsu's weakness


bottomline unless Ay, Mei and Tsunade can properly fly and move about, they will be at a disadvantage against deidara, and honestly that flight share onoki does is more for show than action
remember deidaras agility and manuevering in the sky against gaara - i doubt they'd even be able to touch him

 

[AGoodBoy]

^ So, you are basically agreeing with me? In the first image, the Raiton was only made effective by running it through Mei's Suiton technique. Ae didn't attempt it otherwise, nor does it state that it's concentrated enough to numb the user otherwise, as Penguin already proved. I am not sure what you are trying to prove through Sasuke, as I have been saying all along that Chidori and Raiton Shroud are not the same.

In other words, it was still raiton.
Ergo, All the point you've all made up till now are completely useless because raiton > clay bombs. Water doesn't magically make electricity 'start to shock'.

Who cares about numbing the victim? I didn't know clay bombs needed to be numbed. Well, you learn more science everyday I guess... You do realize the main use of raiton-coating is for increased sharpness, not paralysis, right? Why you're trying to push the idea that Ay needs to worry about increasing the current, to paralyze people with holes in their head, is beyond me.

"the Third Raikage has to actually focus the Chakra on his fingers to create a Chidori-like Raiton"
Chidori uses the exact same mechanism as nukite, just without covering your entire body in raiton. They do the same thing, in the same way. 3rd just figured out that less fingers = more penetration. closed Fist = concussion.

deidara can fight both ways, and hes smart enough to tell the jutsu's weakness


bottomline unless Ay, Mei and Tsunade can properly fly and move about, they will be at a disadvantage against deidara, and honestly that flight share onoki does is more for show than action
remember deidaras agility and manuevering in the sky against gaara - i doubt they'd even be able to touch him

Guy, Gaara's controls the ground. If deidara touches the floor, gaara crushes him. All these excuses you're making are pretty pointless when it's manga already manga fact that ay is fast enough to blitz him, ay can tank most his arsenal, Gaara can counter almost his entire arsenal, and he couldn't even defeat onoki while alive.

@bold: They don't even need to touch him. Deid has limited clay until he's useless. Not like onoki can just keep up with him in any other case anyway. Onoki's not even needed for sasori. Gaara clogs his joints with sand and he's literally immobile the entire fight because everything of his uses jointed puppets.

 

[shelke]

^ I don't ever remember saying his Shroud is not Raiton. It would actually, as water is a conductor - poor though - of electricity. Nothing was made up, as you have yet to disprove Third Raikage's actions or how you are comparing Chidori to Raiton Shroud, when both are not the same at all. No i;s not the same thing, the fact you yourself created the distinction that one is focused and is not a defensive technique and the other simply surrounds the user prove to me how outlandish your claims are. Ae's Guillotine Drop touched sand and it didn't affect it, whist Sasuke's chidori tore through his strongest defense. That is a clear cut difference, right there.

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

In other words, it was still raiton.
Ergo, All the point you've all made up till now are completely useless because raiton > clay bombs. Water doesn't magically make electricity 'start to shock'.

Who cares about numbing the victim? I didn't know clay bombs needed to be numbed. Well, you learn more science everyday I guess... You do realize the main use of raiton-coating is for increased sharpness, not paralysis, right? Why you're trying to push the idea that Ay needs to worry about increasing the current, to paralyze people with holes in their head, is beyond me.

"the Third Raikage has to actually focus the Chakra on his fingers to create a Chidori-like Raiton"
Chidori uses the exact same mechanism as nukite, just without covering your entire body in raiton. They do the same thing, in the same way. 3rd just figured out that less fingers = more penetration. closed Fist = concussion.


Guy, Gaara's controls the ground. If deidara touches the floor, gaara crushes him. All these excuses you're making are pretty pointless when it's manga already manga fact that ay is fast enough to blitz him, ay can tank most his arsenal, Gaara can counter almost his entire arsenal, and he couldn't even defeat onoki while alive.

@bold: They don't even need to touch him. Deid has limited clay until he's useless. Not like onoki can just keep up with him in any other case anyway. Onoki's not even needed for sasori. Gaara clogs his joints with sand and he's literally immobile the entire fight because everything of his uses jointed puppets.

1-youre talking as if deidara is alone
2-secondly I allowed you to include onoki on sheer whim considering our argument concerns deidara vs Ay - i did mention in my first post that 5 vs 2 would be a great disadvantage for akatsuki resulting in their defeat, now since you have nothing to add about Ay himself you keep bringing the other kages into play - youve brought up 4 against deidara so far

I must be a better debater than I thought lol, damn and I wasnt even trying

To conclude, I believe ive long since proven my point: Ay loses against Deidara

 

[Penguin]

Kishi's abilities for the shroud are inconsistent then. u.u

 

[Zavage10]

Only Ay can stop C4.

 

[Avinash012]

Lmao,this is even worse than a stomp. Ay,Onoki and Gaara any two of these 3 guys can beat them let alone Gokage.

 

[genii96]

Gokae low diff,for those saying Ay's shroud wont ffdect the bombs,what happened when sasuke used his sword infused with raiton to attack Ay?

 

[AGoodBoy]

1-youre talking as if deidara is alone
2-secondly I allowed you to include onoki on sheer whim considering our argument concerns deidara vs Ay - i did mention in my first post that 5 vs 2 would be a great disadvantage for akatsuki resulting in their defeat, now since you have nothing to add about Ay himself you keep bringing the other kages into play - youve brought up 4 against deidara so far

I must be a better debater than I thought lol, damn and I wasnt even trying

To conclude, I believe ive long since proven my point: Ay loses against Deidara

1. Please tell me how sasori does anything when his

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2. You really are confusing at times. I used the other kages to illustrate why this is low diff.
Anyway, back to Ay vs deidara, then. Ay dodges all of deidara's attacks. Deidara runs out of clay. Ay then proceeds to roll all over him. Unless you're going to come imply that deid has any attack that's fast enough to touch ay, when it's canon even sasuke could outspeed the bombs.
Even without any kage's help, or flight. Ay still wins. He just

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deid, even kcm naruto couldn't evade and, just look at how high those guys are.

>Hasn't said how any bomb of Deid's affects Ay.
>Hasn't said how deid hits ay.
>Hasn't said how deid reacts to ay.
>Hasn't said how deid avoids bombs getting disabled on contact with ay.
Sure, you've proven ay loses against deid. Lol.

Kishi's abilities for the shroud are inconsistent then. u.u

Not really. It's pretty factually accurate. Not all electricity 'shocks'/'paralyses', it depends on the current. It's like touching a AAA battery or touching a power generator. If Ay knows he has a cripple on his back, there's no reason at all to bring the current to paralyzing levels. Like i already said, the main point of raiton, in this manga, is to improve 'sharpness', by creating

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, not to paralyze anyone. We've only ever seen raiton paralyze someone once and that was yamato, when sasuke specifically channeled it to do that.

Don't forget these people can control their chakra. Naruto can turn wind from some large, useless, shitty blades into cell sized needles that cut nerves. No reason to believe raiton users can't also control properties of their raiton.

Anyway, all this to say that, even though the raiton doesn't 'shock' doesn't mean it's not raiton. It still does the job of defusing the bombs at the end of the day.

 

[~Sky~]

The notion of Raiton not defusing Deidara's bombs when it's canonically been shown to do so is pure fan fiction. >____>