Sarada >> Sakura

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It is actually in that part of the series.

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Sasuke was so fast that she couldn't even track his movement.

And..

Yamato was freaking worried about his eyes. Having to block the eye sight between them and actually save Sakura from who knows what..

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This is the earliest part II possible.

Sakura was in awe and daydreaming at that time. She wasn't even using her tracking skills. Later on the her Sasori fight she was able to read Sasori movements. Which are either > or on par with Diedera's movemnts who Sasuke needed his Sharingan to track.
Even when Sakura went to kill Sasuke his speed was never a factor for her eyes, Sakura just doesn't fight Sasuke pack. Even in the scan you showed, in that fight, Sakura was fast enough to read his Chidori stream attack and avoid it. Sakura eye are on par with Uchiha precog, manga fact.

fake Sakura fan



Thats not the point of the comment i want to destroy this fucking thread

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Baby gurl, Im the Sakura fan.

 

[Nerosmoke]

Like it's obvious but I wanted to share my opinion regardless.

Sarada is already better written than part 1 and early part 2 Sakura. She actually receives character development, has a great goal and more importantly: her team needs her.

You could literally erase part 1 Sakura from the story and no one would notice the difference. But with Sarada it's different. Her strength contributes a lot to the team. Sarada defeated so many opponents by now and doesn’t seem to be pairing fodder like the entire female cast of part 1 (with the exception of Temari?).

In terms of character development part 1 Sarada definitely out-shines Sakura. And I believe that part 1 Sarada will also catch up to early part 2 Sakura in strength too. The potential is there.

in every possable way, she is even stronger then shippuden sakura.

 

[Shruikan]

Based on what is Salad better? Sakura was useful for comic relief moments. Salad is too bland and I find nothing about her enjoyable.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Lmao, I take you are at a loss for words here and cannot corroborate or make any auxiliary input to substantiate without fucking up. Good choice staying on the safe side.

wtf

They're still productively the same, by-products of the same idea, if you will. Even Naruto's KCM is nothing past an attempt at subtle emulation with hope it will go unnoticed. Too bad, we saw it for what it blatantly is, a copy-paste job done well by Kishimoto in order to invigorate the series. Most arsenals in Naruto in fact are copies, which finds us where the point was being emphased. Naruto and Sasuke aren't exempt from the extraordinarie permeating the series. They are just as guilty as Sakura, if not worse, as the more Kishimoto gets inspired with a character, the more copy-paste shit he pumps into it. Luckily for Sakura, she wasn't of tantamount interest and lucked out as a result. But it seems like for some fans, her lacking Pikachu-reminiscent skill-sets and some Dragonball Z cash-milking concept makes her a bland comparison, as you have said many times before.

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Himawari? You just put her in there because no way could there be development with her that I could call development? Lmao. Talk about trying to elongate facts just to make a point more eye-popping

Her bond with Naruto shows his growth as a parent.

And Naruto really actually isn't interesting. I.e after he's ascertained to be what you would call, an extremely developing character with almost no noticeable development at second glance due to its inconsequential impact. Naruto staying the same throughout the series makes veritably no difference for how it's just how it should be. He never makes decisions out of which calamity could take place, out of which lives could be put in danger. Everything he does or whatever decision he makes is what you would expect from Goku, even if it might be slightly peculiar to him. It's nonetheless a shoe-fit thing, where he's just filling the characteristics most found in Shounen protagonists. Same for the deuteragonist, Sasuke, but at least you are on the edge of your seat when a moment of decision-making presents itself like when he talks with Hashirama and is left to decide whether he wants to protect Konoha or resume his plans with destroying it. But at the end, he's still very much what we expected him to turn out to be; not a single moment was I not guessing and getting it right with these two, except a few moments I slacked with my guesses. For Sakura, at least I wasn't expecting Byakugou to pop up, or for her to be pivotal to Sasuke's rescue from the desert dimension. She had me guessing, despite there not being some giant Chakra humanoid doing amazing sword slashes and Kurama clones flying around all over the place.

lol Sorry but you didn't prove anything here. I know Sasuke is flawed. I know Naruto is flawed. I know Hinata, Neji, Bolt, and so on are all flawed. Still better than Sakura as character's though, as she is the most flawed, though Obito does give her some competition.

There's a good analysis on what that really signifies I read last year. I should be able to make a thread on it with personal insight if I ever find the points brought up which should steer it towards the right direction; but that's not really why the friendship was compromised. Ino always mocked Sakura for her dependency on her, and how she didn't seem to grow out of her shell.

Ino never mocked Sakura, what fanfiction did you read? She told her she needs to be more independent in a positive way, like how a parent wants to see their kid be more independent. It isn't mocking ffs. Do your eyes just skewer panels to see what you want?

When Sakura breaks up the friendship, she's breaking out of her cacoon and showing to Ino that she can stand alone with the same air of confidence she has. The friendship from the way it's told Sakura aspired to become like Ino because she admires her, this before Sakura finds her confidence, and grows some balls under Ino's courageous demeanor. It all ties up with some manga scans for visual presentation, but I'm not too energetic at the moment.

She doesn't need to be an ass about it and no, she broke the friendship over someone she didn't and still doesn't know, not to "break out of her cocoon"

It's not really her fault she's voiced by a really annoying, naggy voice in the dub version and got Konohamaru'd for most of the series.

Implying that's the only reason people hate her.

The difference only really exists in combat ability, and that's where my point with Konohamaru has been contributing to that point, which to this point you have been ignoring. Hasn't Konohamaru been getting incessant hate and being constantly called names? This is exactly what makes characters universally hated, it's actually not for how the characters may be badly written. Do your own research, if you are capable, and ask exclusively fans who aren't exposed to the internet poison how they personally feel about certain characters in Naruto. It's unlikely you'll get answers along the lines of Sakura being useless, because there isn't anyone to ingrain it in them.

lol Because you would know? Anyways, I don't care. A series wouldn't be succesful if the main character was shit. A character's awful reputation wouldn't reach the author's own ears if they weren't the #1 most hated.

Which character doesn't get cocky when they're escatic about their own improvement in power even in the slightest bit? Neji, got cocky and thought he could brawl with Kidoumaru without getting scathed. Sasuke got cocky after attaining Chidori before he got humbled by Naruto upon ascertaining its destructive power, then enraged. Naruto, your majestic hero, got so cocky after attaining KCM that Itachi blatantly warned him about shouldering roles he cannot carry alone. Sakura getting cocky for a moment has no bearing on her character overall, and that's not even cocky when the whole truth to why she was so forward with showing-off was to prove she wasn't a burden anymore. Her not succeeding on that part that was the author's decision, but for your enquiry on that, you have been answered as Sakura enjoys standing back to back with Sasuke and Naruto more than when she was smashing the mini-Juubi's around, as foolproofed by her tearing smile.

Those characters have more to them then what Sakura has to offer, so her short comings become that more jarring. And this has nothing to do with the original point we were arguing in that Sakura's character always gets negative development as soon as she gets positive development, so stop trying to derail.

So? Sasuke is still stoic and standoffish, and Naruto still smiles almost unnecessarily. You can't take away a large part of what makes up a character and then hope for fans to think that's going to be impactful. Switch Sasuke and Naruto's personalities and that will enrage a lot of fans. For Sakura that might have been the way to go, that might have been not, but for the most part, she's calm and doesn't act impetuously, which is why in the Anime she doesn't charge up at Shin when they're found in a very sticky situation, and is calm enough to find a way around it with Sasuke non-verbally, that's a different Sakura to the one you would have encountered in early pt.1.

lmao Comparing an extrovert and an introvert remaining as such to a mother destroying her house when their kid asks a simple question. And lmao @ Sakura being calm when the first chapter of Gaiden says otherwise.

Kishimoto wasn't interested in developing her power-wise obviously, and was probably running out of ideas at the near end, considering he gave Naruto RSM which he later on takes away, then gives Sasuke Rinnegan powers of which only one is ever really used. Talk about redundant gimmicks.

Irrelevant to my point

Sakura is actually a depth character.

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You are just stuck ups that can't get over the fact she got some respect from Obito

Implying I care about the 2nd worst character in the series.

and made Kaguya a punching bag for a moment.

About as relevant as Lee splitting Madara or Hinata landing a hit on Pain (since you want to keep bringing up anime feats)

If you can enjoy Hinata with how boring she is, then let Sakura fans enjoy her for what she brings out on the table, instead of being salty about it and going for a doctorate in the subject.

Speaking manga facts isn't being salty, you're just being insecure about them. Enjoy Sakura all you want, but stop trying to undermine Naruto, Sasuke, Kushina, Ino, etc just to do so. Shit character is shit character as even Kishimoto himself acknowledged this.

That's all on what you think it came from, but it's factually true that Sakura churned good reaction in terms of the fight,

That's what good animation does in a mundane series like Part3.

I honestly don't know when you got off track there. You could get all preachy, but you're just as guilty of getting moist over impressive feats as Sakura stans, as you fervently call them. You still got moist over Hinata inheriting some purple chakra that turned out completely useless used independently.

I was talking of shipping. Don't change topics.

Right, so all fights with Sasuke and Naruto cannot be seen as their fights and just choreography that should be credited to the workforce of SP, and when has your idea of development suddenly shifted from cool fights? I see double-standards here.

Naruto and Sasuke's fights have emotional weight and story relevance. Even Pain V Hinata in the anime had emotional weight to it as it expanded on Hinata's struggles and growth. Sakura V Shin was literally nothing short of a firework display. No weight, no plot relevance, no characterization.

The point stays the same. No need to get on the emotional side, I've only been approaching this dispassionately, don't try to make it a heart-to-heart about poor Hinata.

Me: Sakura has more negative character development than positive.

Zack: Answers with a 30 sentence paragraph of irrelevance

Me: Scan of Kushina punching the ground over a question?

Zack: Answers with a 30 sentence paragraph of irrelevance

Me: Naruto has more to him than just power development.

Zack: Answers with a 30 sentence paragraph of irrelevance.

Also Zack: I'm dispassionate! I don't care about this!! I don't CARE!!! I am the prince of all sayains, Vegeta! I don't care about anything! Daily dosage of Zack!!!

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Lmao, how would I know, but Kushina is portrayed to be punchy like Sakura, so take a guess. I don't really know about smashing the ground without the strength though. The likehood exists with her having the balls and CES to grand that possibility. You don't think she can throw a punch at her son or do anything comically harmful when she throws a fit? Temaru whooped Shikadai's ass too and she's somewhat your tsundere, like Kushina, or tsunda, I might have them mixed up, but you got 3 mothers with fiery hearts and violent tendencies and Hinata is the only one seeming to not go the physical route when portraying feelings of disagreement with the child? You know, it's more weird Hinata doesn't touch any of her children than Sakura or Temari or Kushina doing it. She does it psychologically, so I give her props for that. What stays in the mind is always more impactful and could terrify the child, so she's winning the fierce battle.

Being punchy like Sakura doesn't make her the same person. Ino, Karui, Tsunade, and so on.

Lmao. How are Kushina and Sakura any different when Minato sees the resemblence? Are you denying the observation of a once-in-a-life-time genius? I don't reckon.

Resemblance =/= The same.

Lmao, you're such a dumb-ass, you know damn well this can't be justified with physical evidence. It's plain obvious Temari would whoop a child's ass or have Shikadai blown away with her fan if it was to make fun or make a comical scene out of it. In the end, it comes down to context, and you always miss that completely. No wonder the comprehension lessons advised comments that pile up in all threads with you and salamander, your comprehension abilities only goes as far as your subjective view dictitates it, or could just be plain moronic.

Guy who capes the #1 clown Salamander and claims Tobirama needed kinjutsu to beat Izuna, and even now keeps bringing up irrelevant tangents like Goku or whatever tf, is talking to me about comprehension.

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Which female in the Naruto series has actually soloed? I might have forgotten.

Plenty, and you know this, so I won't bother. But if you insist, there's always Mirai :th:

 

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Lmao, the meme usage in that post. So this continues.

 

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Her bond with Naruto shows his growth as a parent.

When does she actually grow alone, anyway? Without Naruto dicking his way in. Literally, all the progress she's got has Naruto getting a slice of it somehow. In fact, Naruto ends up having a brighter show-off.

1. VS Neji. (Naruto was there to pick up where she left off with his fist oath)
2. VS Pain (She's in fact used as a tool to give Naruto a reason for him to go on a rampage and beat Pain to a pulp)
3. Neji's death (Again, Naruto has a piece of whatever that minuscule development, if it was at all, considering she then audaciously gets high off of Naruto's encompassing chakra). Lmao, and Hinata is this character who can exist outside Naruto's bubble and her own development which can exist without Naruto.

lol Sorry but you didn't prove anything here. I know Sasuke is flawed. I know Naruto is flawed. I know Hinata, Neji, Bolt, and so on are all flawed. Still better than Sakura as character's though, as she is the most flawed, though Obito does give her some competition.

I've proved all characters have shitty flaws some of which is over-lacked for the mere fact they perform. Sasuke and Naruto would be hell of a lot shitter if not for power bestowals that barricaded them from the fandom's toxic hate. Hell, both were still hated, and only got pardoned for their power-ups making up for the trash writing. Like I said, the relationship between Sasuke and Naruto can be reduced to a simplistic and mundane monotony that echoes a friend ship call that never is amended until at the end. People were honestly tired of that shit, and only the war saved, but then we got plunged right back in again towards the end, confirming what the series essentially was for Sasuke and Naruto outside their dreams. This is where Sakura is actually refreshing, since she gets out of that rubble for some parts, like in the Chiyo fight, and going further to her showed contributions as a Medical Ninja, while Naruto is constantly on Sasuke's tail 24/7 and is even talking about Sasuke more than everyone else. Even the dude's Sage Mode training had some "I want to be strong enough to beat Sasuke's ass" theme despite that being primarily for Jiraiya's vengeance.
Naruto is really annoying, besides all the power-ups making up for it, and Sakura only gets diminished because she doesn't have the same shield Sasuke and Naruto got excused for. Regardless, she still puts out an interesting story, her humane qualities and relatable selfish emotions can easily be taken in with empathy, for how the selfishness is naive and seeks out comfort, yet accumulating sadness and grief meanwhile. You just gotta read Sakura Shinden to get some fog out of your eyes and see, from Sakura's POV how really humane she is, and breath of fresh air out of the mumbled jumble wee get thrown in for most of the series. She brings awe into realistic context.

Ino never mocked Sakura, what fanfiction did you read? She told her she needs to be more independent in a positive way, like how a parent wants to see their kid be more independent. It isn't mocking ffs. Do your eyes just skewer panels to see what you want?

She never really mocked her, but teased her on low confidence and insecurity about her forehead and would constantly tell her not to hide. Hence Sakura starting to gain more confidence after she starts acting on Ino's advice. The relationship in the beginning was based on Sakura being the timid girl trying to break out of her shell and Ino radiating with confidence and being more courageous, and Sakura being dependent on Ino for confidence support. In that context, it makes sense for Sakura to break the relationship off, at that point she's gaining a fighting spirit which she had never found before and proving to Ino that she can stand on her own.

She doesn't need to be an ass about it and no, she broke the friendship over someone she didn't and still doesn't know, not to "break out of her cocoon"

Why doesn't Ino ever bring it up bitterly if Sakura ever did anything wrong and only ever admire her more? Like I said, you simply don't have the comprehension skills. I'll bring out the manga scans when I get time, it gets clearer with no fog in your eyes and some glasses to amplify your reading skill.

Implying that's the only reason people hate her.

Largely contributed to it. Factually speaking, Bolt's character is suffering because his voice actor is just bad.

lol Because you would know? Anyways, I don't care. A series wouldn't be succesful if the main character was shit. A character's awful reputation wouldn't reach the author's own ears if they weren't the #1 most hated.

Moot point since half the fans were distributed between their fondness for other characters. Conduct your own research on this again, people aren't watching Naruto just to see Naruto, and I personally didn't continue watching Naruto because I still was interested in the dream unfolding. At the point of the war no one really cares, and for the most part, are interested in seeing cinematic fights and more Uchiha brawling surfacing and Madara raping everyone's ass wit majestic Katon and zealous rape-faces while brutalizing the entire shinobi force. Beyond that point, it goes downhill again, and everyone's merely watching because they are just so used to watching. It's clear as day the story is no longer what it was anymore and as evolved into a mass narrative that bears on more than just one struggle that has been spanning for a decade long period. There are already more interesting characters and dynamics that could be focused on.

Those characters have more to them then what Sakura has to offer, so her short comings become that more jarring. And this has nothing to do with the original point we were arguing in that Sakura's character always gets negative development as soon as she gets positive development, so stop trying to derail.

Simply because they were more fleshed out and had backstories to boot. Sakura without all of that managed to amass a loyal fanbase that took a load of bullshit from Sasuke and Naruto fans obsessed with power growth and nothing else, as well as Hinata fans who just couldn't see past Hinata's real etiquette and only saw her for the development she could offer with her Hyuuga lineage.

lmao Comparing an extrovert and an introvert remaining as such to a mother destroying her house when their kid asks a simple question. And lmao @ Sakura being calm when the first chapter of Gaiden says otherwise.

Still not as hostile as throwing your child out with his dad to freeze in the cold and catch a flu.

Lmao, what's really funny is the other cares so much about the daughter that she doesn't give a shit about the house, and the other cares so much about the house that she kicks her child and husband out so she can have peace in the undestroyed home.

Implying I care about the 2nd worst character in the series.

You keep throwing out normative statements continuously. They aren't going to become facts from stating them too many times.

About as relevant as Lee splitting Madara or Hinata landing a hit on Pain (since you want to keep bringing up anime feats)

Might be as relevant as Lee, and even then Lee splitting Madara was still ultimately useless, but definitely not on the same level of uselessness as Hinata landing a hit on Pain. You shouldn't even be comparing since Hinata landing a hit on Pain does nothing on its own and the real catalyst being her existence alone that puts her in enough danger for Naruto go on his rampage. Meanwhile, Sakura lands the fateful punch that restores hope for the world, with Sasuke and Naruto acknowledging her efforts by doing their duty with the sealing process.

Speaking manga facts isn't being salty, you're just being insecure about them. Enjoy Sakura all you want, but stop trying to undermine Naruto, Sasuke, Kushina, Ino, etc just to do so. Shit character is shit character as even Kishimoto himself acknowledged this.

No one has to undermine characters until someone else has to try to drag a character down with their favorite. Lay off trying to downplay obvious good characterization and stop forcing your views on others, and look at you saying Kishimoto said such a thing. I'll say bring the quote where Kishimoto says word-for-word that Sakura is a shit character instead of amazing and you'll try to cop out like you always do.

What's what good animation does in a mundane series like Part3.

Would still have been good animation, especially juxtaposed against that stupid animation Obito got when he became a Jinchuriki and Naruto against Pain in the climax of the fight, there's plethora more, which Sakura tops with ease.

I was talking of shipping. Don't change topics.

Lmao...

Naruto and Sasuke's fights have emotional weight and story relevance. Even Pain V Hinata in the anime had emotional weight to it as it expanded on Hinata's struggles and growth. Sakura V Shin was literally nothing short of a firework display. No weight, no plot relevance, no characterization.

Nothing about the Pain fight really had weight, except for Naruto and Pain's ultimate talk in the cave. The entire Hinata brave point was mostly comical and created gifs that today are still retaining their effect on our lungs.

Sakura's fight against Sasori despite not being entirely connected to Sakura still had some weight on her, with Chiyo's death putting grief in her heart and making her a strong shinobi than she had grown out to be. It was impactful if you weren't filled with bias and had some windows open for Sakura's real character gleaming into a fine line for the first time.

Me: Sakura has more negative character development than positive.

Zack: Answers with a 30 sentence paragraph of irrelevance

Me: Scan of Kushina punching the ground over a question?

Zack: Answers with a 30 sentence paragraph of irrelevance

Me: Naruto has more to him than just power development.

Zack: Answers with a 30 sentence paragraph of irrelevance.

Also Zack: I'm dispassionate! I don't care about this!! I don't CARE!!! I am the prince of all sayains, Vegeta! I don't care about anything! Daily dosage of Zack!!!

I can't tell whether you are trying to impress me with your dialogue skills or are really trying to make a point here.

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Being punchy like Sakura doesn't make her the same person. Ino, Karui, Tsunade, and so on.

Lmao, all still in the same ball park. Hinata is this weird fraction in the equation, she tortures her children pyschologicllly. She's no better with her non-physical ways that induce worry on the mental instead.

Resemblance =/= The same.

They are about the same. If dark blue and light blue are still fundamentally blue.

Guy who capes the #1 clown Salamander and claims Tobirama needed kinjutsu to beat Izuna, and even now keeps bringing up irrelevant tangents like Goku or whatever tf, is talking to me about comprehension.

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Talks about irrelevance then proceeds to bring this up.

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Plenty, and you know this, so I won't bother. But if you insist, there's always Mirai :th:

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When does she actually grow alone, anyway? Without Naruto dicking his way in. Literally, all the progress she's got has Naruto getting a slice of it somehow. In fact, Naruto ends up having a brighter show-off.

1. VS Neji. (Naruto was there to pick up where she left off with his fist oath)
2. VS Pain (She's in fact used as a tool to give Naruto a reason for him to go on a rampage and beat Pain to a pulp)
3. Neji's death (Again, Naruto has a piece of whatever that minuscule development, if it was at all, considering she then audaciously gets high off of Naruto's encompassing chakra). Lmao, and Hinata is this character who can exist outside Naruto's bubble and her own development which can exist without Naruto.

The point was on Himawari, where's this coming from? Are you this upset to be saying things everyone is already well aware of?

I've proved all characters have shitty flaws some of which is over-lacked for the mere fact they perform. Sasuke and Naruto would be hell of a lot shitter if not for power bestowals that barricaded them from the fandom's toxic hate. Hell, both were still hated, and only got pardoned for their power-ups making up for the trash writing. Like I said, the relationship between Sasuke and Naruto can be reduced to a simplistic and mundane monotony that echoes a friend ship call that never is amended until at the end. People were honestly tired of that shit, and only the war saved, but then we got plunged right back in again towards the end, confirming what the series essentially was for Sasuke and Naruto outside their dreams. This is where Sakura is actually refreshing, since she gets out of that rubble for some parts, like in the Chiyo fight, and going further to her showed contributions as a Medical Ninja, while Naruto is constantly on Sasuke's tail 24/7 and is even talking about Sasuke more than everyone else. Even the dude's Sage Mode training had some "I want to be strong enough to beat Sasuke's ass" theme despite that being primarily for Jiraiya's vengeance.
Naruto is really annoying, besides all the power-ups making up for it, and Sakura only gets diminished because she doesn't have the same shield Sasuke and Naruto got excused for. Regardless, she still puts out an interesting story, her humane qualities and relatable selfish emotions can easily be taken in with empathy, for how the selfishness is naive and seeks out comfort, yet accumulating sadness and grief meanwhile. You just gotta read Sakura Shinden to get some fog out of your eyes and see, from Sakura's POV how really humane she is, and breath of fresh air out of the mumbled jumble wee get thrown in for most of the series. She brings awe into realistic context.

All this text yet it amounts to nothing but you bitching about Naruto to make Sakura look better :lol

She never really mocked her, but teased her on low confidence and insecurity about her forehead and would constantly tell her not to hide. Hence Sakura starting to gain more confidence after she starts acting on Ino's advice. The relationship in the beginning was based on Sakura being the timid girl trying to break out of her shell and Ino radiating with confidence and being more courageous, and Sakura being dependent on Ino for confidence support. In that context, it makes sense for Sakura to break the relationship off, at that point she's gaining a fighting spirit which she had never found before and proving to Ino that she can stand on her own.

Sorry, but no matter how hard you try to push your own narrative onto why Sakura broke their relationship, the manga makes it clear it was because of someone crush and not confidence or whatever nonsense theory you are trying to push.

Why doesn't Ino ever bring it up bitterly if Sakura ever did anything wrong and only ever admire her more? Like I said, you simply don't have the comprehension skills. I'll bring out the manga scans when I get time, it gets clearer with no fog in your eyes and some glasses to amplify your reading skill.

Who knows? Maybe Ino is a forgiving person, unlike Sakura? Maybe that's why she doesn't bring up all the BS Sakura did when they were kids?

Largely contributed to it. Factually speaking, Bolt's character is suffering because his voice actor is just bad.

where are these facts?

Moot point since half the fans were distributed between their fondness for other characters. Conduct your own research on this again, people aren't watching Naruto just to see Naruto, and I personally didn't continue watching Naruto because I still was interested in the dream unfolding. At the point of the war no one really cares, and for the most part, are interested in seeing cinematic fights and more Uchiha brawling surfacing and Madara raping everyone's ass wit majestic Katon and zealous rape-faces while brutalizing the entire shinobi force. Beyond that point, it goes downhill again, and everyone's merely watching because they are just so used to watching. It's clear as day the story is no longer what it was anymore and as evolved into a mass narrative that bears on more than just one struggle that has been spanning for a decade long period. There are already more interesting characters and dynamics that could be focused on.

So the main character of a 20 year series isn't popular in his own series? Try main heroine and you may have a point though

Simply because they were more fleshed out and had backstories to boot.

Which makes them better characters

Sakura without all of that managed to amass a loyal fanbase that took a load of bullshit from Sasuke and Naruto fans obsessed with power growth and nothing else, as well as Hinata fans who just couldn't see past Hinata's real etiquette and only saw her for the development she could offer with her Hyuuga lineage.

What fanbase? TF???? Half the people that stanned Sakura back in those days were NS fans who no longer care, but rather hate, her. Just take a look at the "The Last of Sakura's Character" thread on here when Chapter 700 came out. The mental break down of NS fans was a sight to behold.

How blind do you have to be to go saying that the most hated anime character who is the face of the word "useless character" has a loyal fanbase when the majority of them dropped her on a whim based on whether she chose the Naruto or Sasuke.

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Still not as hostile as throwing your child out with his dad to freeze in the cold and catch a flu.

What kind of dimension did you come from where breaking your house over a question is below removing noise where a sick person is resting? I want to visit that world.

@ bold, Nice fanfic.

Lmao, what's really funny is the other cares so much about the daughter that she doesn't give a shit about the house,

Sakura fainted over seeing the house destroyed though??? What the actual **** do you mean she doesn't care for the house? Wh wha.... what the shit. I am shaking at this idiocy. Holy shit, what?.

and the other cares so much about the house that she kicks her child and husband out so she can have peace in the undestroyed home.

When were Bolt and Naruto going to destroy the house? I think you're trying to push your fanfic theories here once again like you tried to do with Ino.

Also, yeah, Hinata cares for the house, not the fact they are causing loud noises while her sick daughter is trying to rest. Sure got me there

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You keep throwing out normative statements continuously. They aren't going to become facts from stating them too many times.

Do you even believe what you say? Only that 123Filler guy thinks Obito is well written, and we all know how bipolar he is. No one enjoys what became of Tobi the mastermind in seeing him as Obito the pedo.

Might be as relevant as Lee, and even then Lee splitting Madara was still ultimately useless, but definitely not on the same level of uselessness as Hinata landing a hit on Pain. You shouldn't even be comparing since Hinata landing a hit on Pain does nothing on its own and the real catalyst being her existence alone that puts her in enough danger for Naruto go on his rampage. Meanwhile, Sakura lands the fateful punch that restores hope for the world, with Sasuke and Naruto acknowledging her efforts by doing their duty with the sealing process.

This isn't about usefulness. Your dumbass tried to claim I was mad at Sakura landing a hit on Kaguya, which means nothing in the context of how it happened, just as it is with Lee and Hinata. Stop trying so hard to get wins in just because you don't know what you're even arguing. And in the context of being useful, Shin Vs Sakura amounted to nothing of the sort, so I suggest you stop flip flopping your already-tangent arguments just to "win".

No one has to undermine characters until someone else has to try to drag a character down with their favorite.

lol You are trying to pain Kushina, Naruto, and Ino in bad lighting with your wishful theories of what ifs and but theys just to defend Sakura.

Lay off trying to downplay obvious good characterization and stop forcing your views on others, and look at you saying Kishimoto said such a thing. I'll say bring the quote where Kishimoto says word-for-word that Sakura is a shit character instead of amazing and you'll try to cop out like you always do.

Kishimoto:

>Sakura
>Regrets her existence

Zack:

>Sakura
>Good characterization

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also lmfao I'm not forcing jack shit of my views on others. My views just happen to be the same as 99% of the people who have watched Naruto, Kishimoto included

:th:

Would still have been good animation, especially juxtaposed against that stupid animation Obito got when he became a Jinchuriki and Naruto against Pain in the climax of the fight, there's plethora more, which Sakura tops with ease.

Talking about animation in Part 3's anime.

Nothing about the Pain fight really had weight

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except for Naruto and Pain's ultimate talk in the cave. The entire Hinata brave point was mostly comical and created gifs that today are still retaining their effect on our lungs.

Cute attempt at shade, but it doesn't change the fact that the anime's version of Pain V Hinata was more emotional and helped Hinata in the developmental department as a character, and did a far better job using the concept of slow burning to build up to Hinata's ultimate loss against Pain, making her struglle that much more impactful, much like with Gaara V Lee, and that's not even talking of cinematic shots like here.

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Kishimoto himself loved the anime's version of Hinata's confession he downright remade it in The Last, like with Hinata being saved from bullies by Naruto. but what Zack on Narutobase says apparently constitiues for something I should care about.

Sakura's fight against Sasori despite not being entirely connected to Sakura still had some weight on her, with Chiyo's death putting grief in her heart and making her a strong shinobi than she had grown out to be. It was impactful if you weren't filled with bias and had some windows open for Sakura's real character gleaming into a fine line for the first time.

Yeah, it was so impactful that Chiyo is never mentioned by Sakura after that arc. Might as well have been filler.

I can't tell whether you are trying to impress me with your dialogue skills or are really trying to make a point here.

Obviously, trying to impress you Vegeta-sama

Lmao, all still in the same ball park. Hinata is this weird fraction in the equation, she tortures her children pyschologicllly. She's no better with her non-physical ways that induce worry on the mental instead.

hinata "tortures her children psychologically" by disciplining them, but Sakura is okay for causing Salad to awaken Sharingan in her wake, an eye that is literally caused by psychological pain.

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They are about the same. If dark blue and light blue are still fundamentally blue.

Anyways, still no proof Kushina would break her house over a question. Concession accepted.

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Her losing doesn't change the fact that she solo'd Salad and she had to be saved by Bolt :salt:

 

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sarada is sasuke's talent and sakura's power so she can be really good ninja later in life!

 

[Uverdore9]

Sakura would have slapped Juubi Style like Garbage, was Madara going to attack her without his private invisible wall.This, stupid ass, fanbase will always be mad Sakura took a dump on thier, trash RSM garbage Rikudo fave, without any buffs plus chakra exhaustion.And what else?They got nothing to whine about her powerwise so obviously what do they target?Character.That is right when another housewife, a main heroine, aka Hero's wife, had the most garbage character devolopment among each and everyone in this series.My rear end has better devolopment than her, literally.Look who is talking, you people.Fact is Sakura exceeded thier butthurt expectations in terms of power so they need,a needle, to prick on her abilities, some how any how, which is something a brat would do.

OT: Part 2 early sakura had better devolopment than each and every female in Boruto and Naruto.

 

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The point was on Himawari, where's this coming from? Are you this upset to be saying things everyone is already well aware of?

So you're aware that Hinata barely has concrete development that doesn't drink out of Naruto's cup.

Concession accepted.

All this text yet it amounts to nothing but you bitching about Naruto to make Sakura look better :lol

Concession accepted.

Sorry, but no matter how hard you try to push your own narrative onto why Sakura broke their relationship, the manga makes it clear it was because of someone crush and not confidence or whatever nonsense theory you are trying to push.

It wouldn't really matter since Ino was okay with it. Sakura only grew in the way Ino wanted, your brickered way of seeing it has nothing to do with facts.

Who knows? Maybe Ino is a forgiving person, unlike Sakura? Maybe that's why she doesn't bring up all the BS Sakura did when they were kids?

Maybe Ino is just too straightforward not to bring it up and wouldn't keep it all to herself, therefore, she never took any offense, besides admiring it her for it.

So the main character of a 20 year series isn't popular in his own series? Try main heroine and you may have a point though

Automatically, he is, but his popularity would have gone down if not for the series being named after him and it never deviating it from his story.

What fanbase? TF???? Half the people that stanned Sakura back in those days were NS fans who no longer care, but rather hate, her. Just take a look at the "The Last of Sakura's Character" thread on here when Chapter 700 came out. The mental break down of NS fans was a sight to behold.

How blind do you have to be to go saying that the most hated anime character who is the face of the word "useless character" has a loyal fanbase when the majority of them dropped her on a whim based on whether she chose the Naruto or Sasuke.

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I frankly don't care for the stans argument, and you have no statistical proof to back that up, just blabbing your own skewed insight into reality.

Sakura fainted over seeing the house destroyed though??? What the actual **** do you mean she doesn't care for the house? Wh wha.... what the shit. I am shaking at this idiocy. Holy shit, what?.


When were Bolt and Naruto going to destroy the house? I think you're trying to push your fanfic theories here once again like you tried to do with Ino.

Do you even know why she even fainted? Let's begin there. She gets mad, smashes the house and feints when she sees it's gone down, that part would steer you towards that answer if you lacked insight, but you know damn well, the sequence of events isn't necessarily the causation of each other.. Sakura expressed symptoms of being under stress, the sweat on the forehead, and the fact she was basically oveestraining herself. Even Seizure points this out and attributes to to the load of stress, and we see Shizune is the one Sakura confides in about Salad, and the flashback enforcing that, so I really have to ask you how the **** you think her seeing the house destroyed is fundamentally why she fainted?

What sort of bs are you asking? You are stooping lower by the minute, you must have forgotten to put your thinking hat on.

Also, yeah, Hinata cares for the house, not the fact they are causing loud noises while her sick daughter is trying to rest. Sure got me there

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Why couldn't she just tell them to shut the **** up. No, she just has to get her stress off by shoving them out of the door and closing it on them so they rot in the cold so Bolt also gets the flu. Nice one, Hinata, really smart choice when you don't want sick kids in the house.

Do you even believe what you say? Only that 123Filler guy thinks Obito is well written, and we all know how bipolar he is. No one enjoys what became of Tobi the mastermind in seeing him as Obito the pedo.

Obito still top 5 in chatacter depth with his story prolonging for nearly the entire series and being the main villain to posing thread to Naruto before Madara stepped in and stole the shine. All before that, Obito is regarded as one of the best villains since his debut as the mastermind behind the Akatsuki. Him being a pedo, or whatsoever has nothing to do with the prior development sustained before.

This isn't about usefulness. Your dumbass tried to claim I was mad at Sakura landing a hit on Kaguya, which means nothing in the context of how it happened, just as it is with Lee and Hinata. Stop trying so hard to get wins in just because you don't know what you're even arguing. And in the context of being useful, Shin Vs Sakura amounted to nothing of the sort, so I suggest you stop flip flopping your already-tangent arguments just to "win".

How does it not mean shit when both Hinata and Sakura got equal amount of opportunity, one up against an omnipotent all-seeing god and another against a pseudo deity, and yet, Sakura could land the blow while Hinata was completely out of her depth and got absolutely no redemption besides for inadvertently triggering Naruto's rampage?

Lmao, I'm not flipping any tangents here, just throwing down all the facts and hope you finally see the clearer view. Sakura VS Shina was still done well, for a heroine technically still under Kishimoto's indolence.

lol You are trying to pain Kushina, Naruto, and Ino in bad lighting with your wishful theories of what ifs and but theys just to defend Sakura.

It's just facts. You can't deal with them, that's why you single out Sakura as a variable as though she exists within a different community with women that aren't practically the same. Hinata is the real out lier who diverges from the series' correct portrayal of the modern day Nihongo woman. They beat the crap out of their children if need be, and Hinata, with her boneless ways opts for psychological torture. Ino would be worse for even denying he son and husband of their dinner, but over direct punches in the head. Now, Sakura never touched Salad's hair and never denied her dinner, and never kicked Salad out in the wake of the night for her to get cold to the bone, and she's the worst monstor there is. Lmao, get the **** out.

Kishimoto:

>Sakura
>Regrets her existence

Zack:

>Sakura
>Good characterization

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also lmfao I'm not forcing jack shit of my views on others. My views just happen to be the same as 99% of the people who have watched Naruto, Kishimoto included

Sakura left the author's pen when she became her own character existing outside the confines of his shallow writing. She still turned out fairly well despite Kishimoto not ever having shown interested all that much; now imagine if Kishimoto had had more balls with her and had fleshed her out, given her actual parents and went somewhere with the Clan symbol embroiled on her back that was speculatively originally an idea about her being from a clan of sorts with fine Chakra control.

Talking about animation in Part 3's anime.

Still better than some of the shit-level anime we got in prior instances.

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Cute attempt at shade, but it doesn't change the fact that the anime's version of Pain V Hinata was more emotional and helped Hinata in the developmental department as a character, and did a far better job using the concept of slow burning to build up to Hinata's ultimate loss against Pain, making her struglle that much more impactful, much like with Gaara V Lee, and that's not even talking of cinematic shots like here.

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Your English is still as unimpressive as it was before I left it to stale. Anyway, no, it wasn't, hence why most threads at the episode's release were really only scorns at Hinata's acrobatics coming into play, and her being ragdolled to the point Naruto seemed bloodshot. It was all the more emotional because of Pain since it was a fight between Jiraiya's treasured disciples. They did the fight good with the music too, so it pulled the heartstrings the right way with al the effort that went into bringing out the emotional weight. The variables involved out weight the fact Hinata was even there, and mostly makes he looks terrible with her intricate performance in the air.

Kishimoto himself loved the anime's version of Hinata's confession he downright remade it in The Last, like with Hinata being saved from bullies by Naruto. but what Zack on Narutobase says apparently constitiues for something I should care about.

So cute, Kishimoto even forgot Naruto's practically immune to genjutsu meanwhile just because he was desperate to make up for Hinata's misfortune with her long unrequited love that had finally got a crack of light. Lmao. He even forgets Hinata cannot levitate and Naruto can't fly at Base either. Love how much forgetting that went on with the remake of this heart-wrenching romance anecdote.

Yeah, it was so impactful that Chiyo is never mentioned by Sakura after that arc. Might as well have been filler.

It's so impactful that Naruto cries his eyeballs out too when he finds out Chiyo's passed on.

Obviously, trying to impress you Vegeta-sama

I am indeed your Sama, my underling.

"hinata "tortures her children psychologically" by disciplining them, but Sakura is okay for causin Salad to awaken Sharingan in her wake, an eye that is literally caused by psychological pain.

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Says this knowing Salad's sharingan awakening had nothing to do with Sakura and more to do with Sasuke's absence and at meeting him again and feeling euphoric. I also don't see how psychological pain correlates when Salad's awakening is conspicuously shown to be from positive feelings. Comprehension lessons are desperately needed at this point.

Anyways, still no proof Kushina would break her house over a question. Concession accepted.

Still no proof Kushina's personality isn't a ripoff of Sakura's and therefore a replica who would make decisions treading along the same line as Sakura's. Concession accepted.

Her losing doesn't change the fact that she solo'd Salad and she had to be saved by Bolt :salt:

She didn't solo anyone when the fight wasn't Salad VS her to begin with. It was Team 7 against her and she lost. Bolt even got solo credit from Konohamaru so what do we know, it could have been Bolt VS Mirai all the way and Bolt had clones transformed into Salad and Mitsuki. :salt:

 

[Conspirator.]

It's pretty obvious that Sarada is a much better character than Sakura, although that isn't saying much given how badly Kishi mismanaged Sakura's character development throughout the manga.

 

[Team7monaa]

Nope, Sakura does have positive character development, but when you combine it with her massive yet useless panel time, in tandem with her FAR greater negative character development, it's hard to notice the good.

What screentime sweetie? She wasn’t present for any of the arcs after Sasuke rescue and after the Five Kage Summit disappeared until the middle of the war arc, unless you’re hallucinating to be seeing Sakura so often.

Those are the most important parts of her character. NaruHina > SasuSaku? Right? I'm sure you've said this before, so Hinata > Sakura naturally.

Sorry, but Sakura unlike Hinata has other relevant relationships and character developments is a larger spectrum.

First off, you can't become a pioneer in something that has been around for 30 years. Has Sakura even created anything in medical ninjutsu to go claiming she's pioneered anything?

Sorry, but the same and only panel you keep shoving down everyone’s face to prove that Hinata is gentle fist master also states that Sakura is a pioneer of medical ninjutsu, the databooks also states she has a medical ninjutsu technique known as “Yuryoku Hensei no Jutsu” that’s only known user is her.

Second, Hinata's became a Gentle Fist master and according to Kishimoto himself, "stole the role of heroine" from Sakura. Point #1 where side character Hinata has the same development as main character Sakura with 1/10 the panel time.

Sorry, it’s one thing thing to say she claimed she stole the heroine role from Sakura but it’s another thing to actually do so. Tell me, since her first appearance Shippuden she has not contributed to the story at any point whatsoever until she got knocked the **** out by pain and fought a few zetsu in the war arc and air-palmed a juubi palm.

Whilst Sakura was defeating an Akatsuki member with Chiyo, saving people’s lives during Konoha’s destruction, Stopping the Kazekage’s brother from duing reducing casualties in war by exposing Zetsu’s technique etc. Hinata was not recognised for her talents unlike Sakura, Hinata did not play any role that could even put her into heroine status until The Last and even that wasn’t comparable to the list Sakura has. So your point as usual Lady Byakugan is irrelevant.

And Hinata did the same with Neji. Wow, look at that Point #2 where side character-chan has the same development level as the main heroine.

There’s so many panels of Sakura relationship with Naruto and it’s an obvious growth between the two, Hinata and Neji have like two panels together where they tolerate each other and it’s in the war arc, neither have a panel that shows the development between these two as much as this.

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And Hinata did so with Toneri. Point #3 where side character with 50 chapters = main heroine with 700 chapters.

Did hinata defeat an Akatsuki member, provide crucial information that reduced casualties in the Ninja war, Heal the ninja war alliance 2x, save Indra’s reincarnation from an unknown dimension thus saving the world? Nope lol.

no clouds here fam. Just truth.

ok sweaty.

Because she got rejected. Again.

It’s her fault? omg this is getting pathetic so getting rejected by husband = fangirling over 12 year old boy?

•She ended her relationship with her first and best friend, the person who reached out to her when no one else would, over a boy who has shown no interest in her ever. Ino had to be the one to fix their bond even though Sakura broke it. Even in Part 2, she is still petty and wants to see Sai insult and hurt her so-called "friend's" feelings just because she's salty Sai called her an ugly dog. Ino hasn't even done jack shit to her since day 1, unprovoked.

Loool, sorry it’s a bit embarassing that you’re using Part 1 panels to discredit an adult sakura. Anyway, Sakura was like 11, her and Ino never completely cut each other off, they just declared themselves rivals. Obviously, you wouldn’t understand that as you love to make scenario’s seem deeper than they actually are.

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The Sai incident was comic relief because they both are still rivals and obviously they’ll still have some minor heat between them, it’s not that hard to comprehend. If I recall they are both very close and work together and Ino herself recalls lots of Sakura’s memories with Sasuke so you tried.

Meanwhile, Hinata rekindled and strengthened her bond with Hiashi, Neji, and Hanabi, and as said by Hiashi, was, alongside Neji, helping to change the Hyuga Clan, despite the fact that the abuse was primarily, if not completely, from their end of the relationship.

Didn’t Hinata brush off her fathers abusive behaviour as “strict” in Boruto? rofl off-panel developments is so cute we didn’t even see them interact like that until War arc.

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•She’s inconsiderate of other people’s feelings and always acts like the victim. Case in point, in Gaiden she acts like Salad is at fault for what went down, calling her silly, when it all could have been avoided if Sakura just talked to her kid instead of destroying the house.

Ok sweetie.

Hinata has empathy in spades. As stated by the databooks and shown in the manga and anime.

I’m not denying that lol

• She's very shallow and cares only for appearances, as shown by her relations with Sai, Sasuke, and Lee. Even married, she knows nothing of Sasuke emotionally, unlike Hinata with Naruto, she knows nothing of his past, unlike Hinata with Naruto, and she has never once been able to support or be there for Sasuke in his times of need, unlike Hinata with Naruto. Sakura is so shallow that she couldn’t even fully remember if her husband even wore glasses, which is why Salad became questionable about whether or not her own mother is even married to her father.

Any proof for these statements? I’m pretty sure since the beginning she has looked up to Lee and even in Part 1 when she was at her most selfish she still thanked Lee for standing up and protecting her, The novel states that Sakura does know about Sasuke’s past and she recalls a dream of his to be in the Konoha Police and compares it to the journey he is on now in which prompts Sasuke to return to the village.

Say also is the only member who notices sakura’s intentions. she always comments on his development as a person and considers him a member of the team. His and Sakura’s interactions are also commonly comic relief which I wouldn’t expect you to understand.

• She lied to Naruto, someone who she knows has been emotionally isolated and abused for years, about loving him just to ease her own guilt. You can say she had good intentions, and yes she did, but to manipulate one's emotions, as shown with Madara doing the same to Obito, is nothing short of vile.

Naruto is thick asf if he kept going after a rogue ninja who is capable of killing someone like Danzo hed end up dying, there’s no other way Naruto would listen and Sakura out of all people knew. Comparing Madara’s situation to Sakura’s just goes to show you have nothing to bring to the table here.

• She's arrogant as hell and doesn't know her own limits, as shown when she knocked Kiba, Lee, and Sai out to go kill Sasuke even though they were only trying to help her, and yet ended up failing to kill a blind, tired Sasuke because of her crush.

I’ll give you that but that’s a trait of hers.

Sakura kept Karin’s identity completely hidden from Salad for no reason and Karin was the one who helped deliver her when Sakura was giving birth and Karin is the one who supplies Salad the prescription glasses that she uses. Meanwhile, Hinata is more than open about her family's history.

Ok, Sasuke dosen’t even trust Orochimaru. You know the same guy who physically and mentally mentally tortured Sarada’s dad, so you really think Sakura is going to somewhat start telling Sarada about one of his subordinates who’s location is also off-limits to Konoha?

Sakura lies out of her ass to Sasuke by claiming she THOUGHT she made things clear with Salad, despite never telling him why he’s on a mission. There’s literally no reason why Sakura couldn’t tell her that her father wants to make sure no traces of a powerful enemy they had faced exists. Not to mention, based on how much Salad asked Naruto about Sasuke, Sakura evidently didn’t say jackshit about Sasuke’s past self. And Sakura thought she had made things clear for Salad? What a liar.

Sorry, you do realise that at the 5 Kage summit Sakura and Sasuke were asked to disclose information regarding the Otsutsuki and White Zetsu, so do you honestly think Sakura is going to give out disclosed information to a little girl who was barely 13 at the time?

There is so much more I can pull on Sakura's shit ass development from Gaiden and the War alone, so don't get me started. Sakura in no way is a better written character than Hinata.

By so much you mean like 6 panels max imfao. Anyway, that’s enough for today. I don’t even hate Hinata but your attempts at undermining Sakura is annoying.

 

[Made in Heaven]

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So you're aware that Hinata barely has concrete development that doesn't drink out of Naruto's cup.

Concession accepted.

lol What concession? This is a point you brought up when we were talking about Himawari, I point I never argued against. all you did was bring up an argument and pat yourself on the back :lol

It wouldn't really matter since Ino was okay with it. Sakura only grew in the way Ino wanted, your brickered way of seeing it has nothing to do with facts.

Ino was not okay with it, hence her guilt, and hence why Ino was the one who fixed their bond later. Nice try though, keep at it with the attempts to undermine other characters.

Maybe Ino is just too straightforward not to bring it up and wouldn't keep it all to herself, therefore, she never took any offense, besides admiring it her for it.

Yep, and that is why Ino is better.

Automatically, he is, but his popularity would have gone down if not for the series being named after him and it never deviating it from his story.

Speculation, and in turn, irrelevant.

I frankly don't care for the stans argument, and you have no statistical proof to back that up, just blabbing your own skewed insight into reality.

NaruSaku.com's reaction in regards to it, let alone all the NS fans here dying out, is all the proof needed. but I don't expect you to see it either way.

Do you even know why she even fainted? Let's begin there. She gets mad, smashes the house and feints when she sees it's gone down, that part would steer you towards that answer if you lacked insight, but you know damn well, the sequence of events isn't necessarily the causation of each other.. Sakura expressed symptoms of being under stress, the sweat on the forehead, and the fact she was basically oveestraining herself. Even Seizure points this out and attributes to to the load of stress, and we see Shizune is the one Sakura confides in about Salad, and the flashback enforcing that, so I really have to ask you how the **** you think her seeing the house destroyed is fundamentally why she fainted?

Speculation, and in turn, irrelevant. She saw the house, she fainted. Thus, unlike your wishful theories, she did in fact care for the house, a lot.

Why couldn't she just tell them to shut the **** up. No, she just has to get her stress off by shoving them out of the door and closing it on them so they rot in the cold so Bolt also gets the flu. Nice one, Hinata, really smart choice when you don't want sick kids in the house.

"rot in the cold so Bolt gets a flu"

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Why you gotta lie?

Obito still top 5 in chatacter depth with his story prolonging for nearly the entire series and being the main villain to posing thread to Naruto before Madara stepped in and stole the shine. All before that, Obito is regarded as one of the best villains since his debut as the mastermind behind the Akatsuki. Him being a pedo, or whatsoever has nothing to do with the prior development sustained before.

So you just ignore the last 100 chapters of his character where everything Tobi stood for is destroyed for "Rin rin rin"?

How does it not mean shit when both Hinata and Sakura got equal amount of opportunity, one up against an omnipotent all-seeing god and another against a pseudo deity, and yet, Sakura could land the blow while Hinata was completely out of her depth and got absolutely no redemption besides for inadvertently triggering Naruto's rampage?

Again, Your dumbass tried to claim I was mad at Sakura landing a hit on Kaguya, which means nothing in the context of how it happened, as she could never do that alone, just as it is with Lee and Hinata. I don't care about this opportunity or redemption nonsense you are talking about as this is nothing short of a tangent.

Lmao, I'm not flipping any tangents here, just throwing down all the facts and hope you finally see the clearer view. Sakura VS Shina was still done well, for a heroine technically still under Kishimoto's indolence.

you keep trying to make points and win arguments I am or was not arguing against. Those are tangents. Stop it.

It's just facts. You can't deal with them, that's why you single out Sakura as a variable as though she exists within a different community with women that aren't practically the same. Hinata is the real out lier who diverges from the series' correct portrayal of the modern day Nihongo woman. They beat the crap out of their children if need be, and Hinata, with her boneless ways opts for psychological torture. Ino would be worse for even denying he son and husband of their dinner, but over direct punches in the head. Now, Sakura never touched Salad's hair and never denied her dinner, and never kicked Salad out in the wake of the night for her to get cold to the bone, and she's the worst monstor there is. Lmao, get the **** out.

"correct portrayal of the modern day Nihongo woman. They beat the crap out of their children if need be"

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Anyways, ignoring that cringe as **** racist-ass line, fact remains that Salad said Sakura caused her suffering when fighting Buntan. When have Bolt or Himawari said such things about Hinata? Until you can show me such a scan, keep your fanfiction to yourself. I know you just love to be over dramatic what with your Vegeta roleplaying, but there's no need to stretch "Hinata disciplining her kids" to "Hinata psychologically tortures her kids". Don't lie for a universally hated shit stain of a charact. Don't be like Melanin. No one wants that.

Sakura left the author's pen when she became her own character existing outside the confines of his shallow writing.

"Her own character" ? What does this even mean?

She still turned out fairly well despite Kishimoto not ever having shown interested all that much;

Must be why everyone hates her.

now imagine if Kishimoto had had more balls with her and had fleshed her out, given her actual parents and went somewhere with the Clan symbol embroiled on her back that was speculatively originally an idea about her being from a clan of sorts with fine Chakra control.

Speculation, and in turn, irrelevant.

Also, stop going on tangents ffs!!! LOL! Kishimoto regrets her existence, yet your ass is here trying to spew shit about her being well characterized and making up wishful day dreams about fanfic Chakra Control clans.

Still better than some of the shit-level anime we got in prior instances.

Good for you. It doesn't change the fact that it was the first well done fight since Bolt VS Nue.

Your English is still as unimpressive as it was before I left it to stale. Anyway, no, it wasn't, hence why most threads at the episode's release were really only scorns at Hinata's acrobatics coming into play, and her being ragdolled to the point Naruto seemed bloodshot. It was all the more emotional because of Pain since it was a fight between Jiraiya's treasured disciples. They did the fight good with the music too, so it pulled the heartstrings the right way with al the effort that went into bringing out the emotional weight. The variables involved out weight the fact Hinata was even there, and mostly makes he looks terrible with her intricate performance in the air.

I don't care about other people's opinions on the matter, I care for how the writing went down for that episode in comparison to the manga equivalent. And even someone as thick as you, hopefully, won't deny that the anime draws more emotion from the viewer as well as increase the impact of Hinata's efforts and confession.

@ bold. Hinata is part of the emotional weight of the fight, and her struggles being extended in the anime help push that notion. So I'm done arguing this point.

So cute, Kishimoto even forgot Naruto's practically immune to genjutsu meanwhile just because he was desperate to make up for Hinata's misfortune with her long unrequited love that had finally got a crack of light. Lmao. He even forgets Hinata cannot levitate and Naruto can't fly at Base either. Love how much forgetting that went on with the remake of this heart-wrenching romance anecdote.

Kishimoto forgets a lot of things in the manga too, don't go trying to act like the problem is isolated to The Last. Key example is Sakura saying she has no Chakra left when Naruto is dying only to magically have it again to save Sasuke.

It's so impactful that Naruto cries his eyeballs out too when he finds out Chiyo's passed on.

Nope. It's not impactful just because Naruto cried lmao! Her fight with Sasori explored her medical ninjutsu feats, but it had no barring on her as a person.

I am indeed your Sama, my underling.

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Says this knowing Salad's sharingan awakening had nothing to do with Sakura and more to do with Sasuke's absence and at meeting him again and feeling euphoric. I also don't see how psychological pain correlates when Salad's awakening is conspicuously shown to be from positive feelings. Comprehension lessons are desperately needed at this point.

Sakura was the one she was with when she awakened her Sharingan at 5, right? In the same anime where Sakura VS Shin was even a thing, yes? And yes, Sakura is responsible, as if she simply told Salad about Sasuke, she would have greatly calmed down and accepted what was going on, as we can see her doing jsut that in the current manga after finding out about Sasuke's situation

Still no proof Kushina's personality isn't a ripoff of Sakura's and therefore a replica who would make decisions treading along the same line as Sakura's. Concession accepted.

I still see you have no proof for your fanfiction. Good to know.

She didn't solo anyone when the fight wasn't Salad VS her to begin with. It was Team 7 against her and she lost. Bolt even got solo credit from Konohamaru so what do we know, it could have been Bolt VS Mirai all the way and Bolt had clones transformed into Salad and Mitsuki. :salt:

So Pain didn't solo Hinata because the fight wasn't Hinata VS Pain to begin with? lmao What a clown!!

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[Made in Heaven]

Also, you gotta love how Zack's all like "I'm arguing dispassionately!!!" yet he's the one that not only started this whole argument over a one-sentence post of mine, but he is so desperate to be right he makes up lies, demeans other characters, pushes his fanfiction and speculation as fact, writes paragraph after paragraph of tangents, and even ignores Kishimoto's own words.

 

[Jinrou]

lmao.. unbelievable thread. Zack is clearly arguing just for arguments sake. Dude's just pushing fanfic after fanfic and mostly doesn't know what he's talking about or his comprehension actually got worse from the previous year. Lmfao.. Gotta hand it to Made in Heaven though.

Bonus: Funniest highlight i came across :lol

Zack of Narutobase: Still not as hostile as throwing your child out with his dad to freeze in the cold and catch a flu.

Lmfao.. How on Earth does one get to that conclusion?

 

[Reboryushon]

lmao.. unbelievable thread. Zack is clearly arguing just for arguments sake. Dude's just pushing fanfic after fanfic and mostly doesn't know what he's talking about or his comprehension actually got worse from the previous year. Lmfao.. Gotta hand it to Made in Heaven though.

Bonus: Funniest highlight i came across :lol

Zack of Narutobase: Still not as hostile as throwing your child out with his dad to freeze in the cold and catch a flu.

Lmfao.. How on Earth does one get to that conclusion?

Zack is a freaking keyboard warrior. He needs our love ..

 

[Reviewing Logic]

I like the pics though

thanks guys for the laughs ( saved some pics for myself)

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

lol What concession? This is a point you brought up when we were talking about Himawari, I point I never argued against. all you did was bring up an argument and pat yourself on the back :lol

Lmao.

Ino was not okay with it, hence her guilt, and hence why Ino was the one who fixed their bond later. Nice try though, keep at it with the attempts to undermine other characters.

What guilt, show me a manga scan or concession accepted.

NaruSaku.com's reaction in regards to it, let alone all the NS fans here dying out, is all the proof needed. but I don't expect you to see it either way.

And you think they logically shouldn't when NS isn't the perennially existential pairing while SS and NH are? It's like your wits deteriorate with each attempt at a rebuttal.

Speculation, and in turn, irrelevant. She saw the house, she fainted. Thus, unlike your wishful theories, she did in fact care for the house, a lot.

Events leading up to that disagree with your fanfic and Shizune's confirmation.

"rot in the cold so Bolt gets a flu"

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Concession... Accepted.

So you just ignore the last 100 chapters of his character where everything Tobi stood for is destroyed for "Rin rin rin"?

So you just ignore entire episodes of bad-assry?

Again, Your dumbass tried to claim I was mad at Sakura landing a hit on Kaguya, which means nothing in the context of how it happened, as she could never do that alone, just as it is with Lee and Hinata. I don't care about this opportunity or redemption nonsense you are talking about as this is nothing short of a tangent.

She sort of did it alone, as Naruto and Sasuke were no where to be seen when she charged down at Kaguya. Still trying to stoop her to Hinata's level, who's as low as the crawling coachroach on the ground.

You keep trying to make points and win arguments I am or was not arguing against. Those are tangents. Stop it.

Keep crying because you lost this battle.

"correct portrayal of the modern day Nihongo woman. They beat the crap out of their children if need be"

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[Anyways, ignoring that cringe as **** racist-ass line, fact remains that Salad said Sakura caused her suffering when fighting Buntan. When have Bolt or Himawari said such things about Hinata? Until you can show me such a scan, keep your fanfiction to yourself. I know you just love to be over dramatic what with your Vegeta roleplaying, but there's no need to stretch "Hinata disciplining her kids" to "Hinata psychologically tortures her kids". Don't lie for a universally hated shit stain of a charact. Don't be like Melanin. No one wants that.

Hinata goes for the mental while Ino, Sakura and Temari don't terrify their children. You can hate Sakura who's never laid a hand on Salad's hair while Temari have, because you just have double standards and not hate Hinata for kicking out Bolt to mentally torture him. The comment isn't even implied in a racistic way, just facts you can't take because they're too hard.


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Her own character" ? What does this even mean?

Exactly what it means. Go back to construe the meaning conveyed.


Must be why everyone hates her.[/QUOTE]If it's everyone then why is there even Sakura base? You have me beat with the moronicism.

Also, stop going on tangents ffs!!! LOL! Kishimoto regrets her existence, yet your ass is here trying to spew shit about her being well characterized and making up wishful day dreams about fanfic Chakra Control clans.

Proof, besides the twisted version of what he actually side? Still as less of a fanfic as Hinata being a part of Team 7 when it's 2018 and she's just a domesticated woman who never sees the light of day.

Good for you. It doesn't change the fact that it was the first well done fight since Bolt VS Nue.

I already won this.

I don't care about other people's opinions on the matter, I care for how the writing went down for that episode in comparison to the manga equivalent. And even someone as thick as you, hopefully, won't deny that the anime draws more emotion from the viewer as well as increase the impact of Hinata's efforts and confession.

Seriously, you would do us a favor by internalizing your bs, because you say you don't care for others' opinions, then go on to shove yours down our throats. I don't care about your Hinata either, at this point, I'm not wasting energy on conveying my POV anymore since it's pretty clear that you'll remain incorrigible.

@ bold. Hinata is part of the emotional wright of the fight, and her struggles being extended in the anime help push that notion. So I'm done arguing this point.

How is she? Lmfao! You are trying so hard to glue her in with what actually really was Naruto's epic moment. Hinata not being there wouldn't have changed anything than if it was Kiba or Shino or anyone close to Naruto if their lives got so threatened. Naruto generally cares about everyone, and it's further proven he didn't feel so much as a fraction of what he feels about Ramen when he later on forgets Hinata ever made that pathetic confession, and cemented even further when he compares the way he likes Hinata to the way he likes Ramen, and this after all the years Hinata desperately tried winning him over with her shyness and terrible clumsy demeanor.

Please stop trying to push it as though Hinata wasn't just a tool there so Naruto could get the W.

Kishimoto forgets a lot of things in the manga too, don't go trying to act like the problem is isolated to The Last. Key example is Sakura saying she has no Chakra left when Naruto is dying only to magically have it again to save Sasuke.

Not the same as the movie which its sole purpose was to patch up the cracks in NaruHina's unestablished relationship; instead, it raises questions such as whether the author ever really put thoughts into it, as he even forgets their own limited capacities.

Nope. It's not impactful just because Naruto cried lmao! Her fight with Sasori explored her medical ninjutsu feats, but it had no barring on her as a person.

Jiraiya's death wasn't impactful because he cried? Lmao. Seems your logic sounds even more retarded when spun around a little. It actually did, Sakura became a braver shinob afterwards, and got humanly possible courage, unlike the unrealistic unwavering one that Naruto has.

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Lmao, you aren't even allowed to cringe with all this logic I'm having to read.

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Sakura was the one she was with when she awakened her Sharingan at 5, right? In the same anime where Sakura VS Shin was even a thing, yes? And yes, Sakura is responsible, as if she simply told Salad about Sasuke, she would have greatly calmed down and accepted what was going on, as we can see her doing jsut that in the current manga after finding out about Sasuke's situation

The cause of it awakening is what exactly? Sakura just being there? Really are stooping low, just shut up, is my advice. The rest of the shit spewed doesn't even make it to the part of the brain where I give an attempt to bs.

I still see you have no proof for your fanfiction. Good to know.

Kushina and Sakura have similar personalities all around, no need to prove it when it's right there in your eyes. They both speak loudly, have violent tendencies, have been shown to clench fists when they feel strongly courageous, both have Naruto in common as the one they cared about, both get violent in their depictions, with Kushina almost the same as Sakura in the Movies.

So Pain didn't solo Hinata because the fight wasn't Hinata VS Pain to begin with? lmao What a clown!!

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Did Hinata fight Pain together with Naruto? Bolt, Salad and Mitsuki were working together, so I don't see what's so hard to construe here other than your double standards majoring again.

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[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Zack is a freaking keyboard warrior. He needs our love ..

Lmao, and what are you, a pyschophant trying to suck his way into Hyuuga base? I've been reminding you about your gay tendencies, seems you have given in.

What screentime sweetie? She wasn’t present for any of the arcs after Sasuke rescue and after the Five Kage Summit disappeared until the middle of the war arc, unless you’re hallucinating to be seeing Sakura so often.




Sorry, but Sakura unlike Hinata has other relevant relationships and character developments is a larger spectrum.




Sorry, but the same and only panel you keep shoving down everyone’s face to prove that Hinata is gentle fist master also states that Sakura is a pioneer of medical ninjutsu, the databooks also states she has a medical ninjutsu technique known as “Yuryoku Hensei no Jutsu” that’s only known user is her.



Sorry, it’s one thing thing to say she claimed she stole the heroine role from Sakura but it’s another thing to actually do so. Tell me, since her first appearance Shippuden she has not contributed to the story at any point whatsoever until she got knocked the **** out by pain and fought a few zetsu in the war arc and air-palmed a juubi palm.

Whilst Sakura was defeating an Akatsuki member with Chiyo, saving people’s lives during Konoha’s destruction, Stopping the Kazekage’s brother from duing reducing casualties in war by exposing Zetsu’s technique etc. Hinata was not recognised for her talents unlike Sakura, Hinata did not play any role that could even put her into heroine status until The Last and even that wasn’t comparable to the list Sakura has. So your point as usual Lady Byakugan is irrelevant.




There’s so many panels of Sakura relationship with Naruto and it’s an obvious growth between the two, Hinata and Neji have like two panels together where they tolerate each other and it’s in the war arc, neither have a panel that shows the development between these two as much as this.

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Did hinata defeat an Akatsuki member, provide crucial information that reduced casualties in the Ninja war, Heal the ninja war alliance 2x, save Indra’s reincarnation from an unknown dimension thus saving the world? Nope lol.




ok sweaty.




It’s her fault? omg this is getting pathetic so getting rejected by husband = fangirling over 12 year old boy?




Loool, sorry it’s a bit embarassing that you’re using Part 1 panels to discredit an adult sakura. Anyway, Sakura was like 11, her and Ino never completely cut each other off, they just declared themselves rivals. Obviously, you wouldn’t understand that as you love to make scenario’s seem deeper than they actually are.

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The Sai incident was comic relief because they both are still rivals and obviously they’ll still have some minor heat between them, it’s not that hard to comprehend. If I recall they are both very close and work together and Ino herself recalls lots of Sakura’s memories with Sasuke so you tried.



Didn’t Hinata brush off her fathers abusive behaviour as “strict” in Boruto? rofl off-panel developments is so cute we didn’t even see them interact like that until War arc.

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Ok sweetie.



I’m not denying that lol



Any proof for these statements? I’m pretty sure since the beginning she has looked up to Lee and even in Part 1 when she was at her most selfish she still thanked Lee for standing up and protecting her, The novel states that Sakura does know about Sasuke’s past and she recalls a dream of his to be in the Konoha Police and compares it to the journey he is on now in which prompts Sasuke to return to the village.

Say also is the only member who notices sakura’s intentions. she always comments on his development as a person and considers him a member of the team. His and Sakura’s interactions are also commonly comic relief which I wouldn’t expect you to understand.



Naruto is thick asf if he kept going after a rogue ninja who is capable of killing someone like Danzo hed end up dying, there’s no other way Naruto would listen and Sakura out of all people knew. Comparing Madara’s situation to Sakura’s just goes to show you have nothing to bring to the table here.



I’ll give you that but that’s a trait of hers.



Ok, Sasuke dosen’t even trust Orochimaru. You know the same guy who physically and mentally mentally tortured Sarada’s dad, so you really think Sakura is going to somewhat start telling Sarada about one of his subordinates who’s location is also off-limits to Konoha?



Sorry, you do realise that at the 5 Kage summit Sakura and Sasuke were asked to disclose information regarding the Otsutsuki and White Zetsu, so do you honestly think Sakura is going to give out disclosed information to a little girl who was barely 13 at the time?



By so much you mean like 6 panels max imfao. Anyway, that’s enough for today. I don’t even hate Hinata but your attempts at undermining Sakura is annoying.

I don't see a rebuttal this. You aren't worthy audaciously trying to rebut my faithfully presented opinions when you haven't rebutted this, Made in Heaven.

Get back in here first and finish what you started.

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lmao.. unbelievable thread. Zack is clearly arguing just for arguments sake. Dude's just pushing fanfic after fanfic and mostly doesn't know what he's talking about or his comprehension actually got worse from the previous year. Lmfao.. Gotta hand it to Made in Heaven though.

Bonus: Funniest highlight i came across :lol

Zack of Narutobase: Still not as hostile as throwing your child out with his dad to freeze in the cold and catch a flu.

Lmfao.. How on Earth does one get to that conclusion?

Lmao. You could step in for Made in Heaven since he clearly lost this battle with minimal effort from my side. He reiterates the same thing over and over without anything actually presented to corroborate and acts like it's gospel. I just love how you all jump in whenever LB gets handed some L's. Hilarious how none of you ever challenge anyone and just sit around like ducks and think you won anything when LB fights battles for you and still ends up taking L's. He took so many of them from salamander so much he went on hiatus, and now he's trying to take advantage of his absence.

PS. I'm confused about this moron's gender, so apologies if I'm switching between she and he.