But vergo cracked sanji legs without even trying. Zoro beat pica neg diff and he would beat vergo between mid and high diff. Sanji would lose to both. Zoro was able to clash with an admiral and even counter his attack while sanji got basically one shoted by doffy.
[Discussion] Sanji vs Capone incoming
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Vandenre1ch
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Everything I said was true. It didn't mean shit because you couldn't give a reason as to why sanji would be stronger than capone. I ask you to give me a reason to why you believe this and you don't answer. You are just blindly overestimating sanji's abilities because you think he has to be on zoro lvl because of some comical duels. You are asking people to disregard me because you are rustled that Sanji isn't as great as you think he is.
The difference in power between Vergo and Pica is unclear therefore you have no clue how Zoro would fare against Vergo or how easy someone with a brain would do against Pica.
Zoro was not able to clash with an admiral, he managed not to get himself killed. Zoro would suffer a same fate against doflamingo.
All your comparisons were shlt. and I really feel bad for the shlt to compare it with that.
Sorry, I had to. My toes were curling up just reading this garbage.
Emm.... talking about bounty posters... Don't you think usually the flashy ones get the bounty marked on their heads? Especially the captains... and first mates...
Just because Sanji isn't in Supernova list doesn't mean it does him justice to leave him out of the league. Zoro's first bounty is 60 mil (due to his former status and incident in Alabasta), while Sanji's first bounty is 77 mil (solely due to Enies Lobby incident). It's a given that Zoro's bounty goes up eventually, especially after EL (for 120 mil beli), and other big case since then have been covered up by WG so chances for their bounty to get higher have gone down the drain till they arrived at Sabaody. Sanji has the potential to be ranked among the Supernovas, again his low profile from the start isn't contributed much, and WG have no idea of his current strength & threat level.
Posing threat to WG doesn't necessary means the level of physical strength of the said pirate/individual which bring risk to WG and citizens, rather, it refers to the consequence/origin of the person's behaviour/deed/knowledge/lineage. And that's what bounty poster is all about. It's a tad subjective to use it as an article to the argument points for me.
Regarding to Sanji vs Capone (if that's how the event really turns out), no matter who wins in the end, the fight surely ends high diff. Unless Big Mom's crew giving a hand, for Sanji & co. to stall the time that long says a lot to their overall strength. Don't forget, before that Sanji has faced Viola's (and her subordinates') attacks with a slight handicap on his chivalry, and lastly fighting Doffy halfway. Nami's safety shall be one of his burdens during the battle, despite knowing Nami & co. can possibly take care of themselves.
Given that there are two trump cards with 'em; Caesar and Momo, Sanji may use a sort of strategy to escape from them, after putting up a hell of fight. He won't ask for permission from Luffy confidently to counter fire at Big Mom out of his whim.
Also, somebody tells me again why Zoro has something to do with Sanji's winning probability over Capone? Put Zoro in Sanji's place then, let him fight Pica instead, crushing that soprano stone guy to bits. Zoro can rush ahead Sunny and fight Doffy halfway... oh but without sky walk. But still... Zoro would manage, he can do long distance slash.
Just because Sanji isn't in Supernova list doesn't mean it does him justice to leave him out of the league. Zoro's first bounty is 60 mil (due to his former status and incident in Alabasta), while Sanji's first bounty is 77 mil (solely due to Enies Lobby incident). It's a given that Zoro's bounty goes up eventually, especially after EL (for 120 mil beli), and other big case since then have been covered up by WG so chances for their bounty to get higher have gone down the drain till they arrived at Sabaody. Sanji has the potential to be ranked among the Supernovas, again his low profile from the start isn't contributed much, and WG have no idea of his current strength & threat level.
Posing threat to WG doesn't necessary means the level of physical strength of the said pirate/individual which bring risk to WG and citizens, rather, it refers to the consequence/origin of the person's behaviour/deed/knowledge/lineage. And that's what bounty poster is all about. It's a tad subjective to use it as an article to the argument points for me.
Regarding to Sanji vs Capone (if that's how the event really turns out), no matter who wins in the end, the fight surely ends high diff. Unless Big Mom's crew giving a hand, for Sanji & co. to stall the time that long says a lot to their overall strength. Don't forget, before that Sanji has faced Viola's (and her subordinates') attacks with a slight handicap on his chivalry, and lastly fighting Doffy halfway. Nami's safety shall be one of his burdens during the battle, despite knowing Nami & co. can possibly take care of themselves.
Given that there are two trump cards with 'em; Caesar and Momo, Sanji may use a sort of strategy to escape from them, after putting up a hell of fight. He won't ask for permission from Luffy confidently to counter fire at Big Mom out of his whim.
Also, somebody tells me again why Zoro has something to do with Sanji's winning probability over Capone? Put Zoro in Sanji's place then, let him fight Pica instead, crushing that soprano stone guy to bits. Zoro can rush ahead Sunny and fight Doffy halfway... oh but without sky walk. But still... Zoro would manage, he can do long distance slash.
But your the one that just told me vergo is stronger than pica so how do you know that then? It clear vergo and Sanji are stronger than pica but they would be a bad match up unless vergo and Sanji is city level. Its safe to assume they are not. If they fought just regular pica they would both probably win low diff him. Im not saying they cant beat pica with his stone giant but because they can. It would just be hard since they don't have large scale attacks even luffy hand trouble with pica. Dont make it sound like zoro is not smart and couldn't figure out pica. It not just about knowing about his ability but also knowing how to get attacks on him. Pica seems to be an expert at running.
He definitely clashed with an admiral. Zoro wouldn't get one shoted by doffy. But he would still lose between low and mid diff
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KingHashirama
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I meant bounty poster that's not limited to supernovas.
For instance, Ace got bounty, even though he was a commander for 2nd division. Bounty value depended on WG's perspective.
If we're talking about eleven supernovas only right now, each supernova gained bounty in different occasion via variety of routes taken. It wasn't fair to flout Sanji out of the potential fighters line-up to be ranked together unofficially among supernovas.
KingHashirama
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Hmm now that you mention ACe, i wonder how much of a bounty Marco had.
There are plenty of fighters out of the supernova that can be lined up together with them. But Oda for some reason chose only to have 2 crew mates Zoro and Killer have big enough bounties to be on the supernova.. I'm taking it as a symbol for these guys being a level above their crewmates.
But it can also just be taken as a future rivalry of Luffy vs Kidd Zoro vs Killer, that might happen at the end for PK.
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Dude Sanji is almost as strong as Zoro but not enough people know that based off the bounty. Usopp is where he belongs pretty much. That's the difference, strength to bounty ratio nobody has it worse than Sanji, lets say this arc were to end right now, Once again Sanji wouldn't get a boost since he was nowhere on the island.
Also do you honestly believe Luffy can't mid diff some of the weakest Supernovas?? Lol Im pretty confident Law can nearly low diff some Supernovas with a single attack. The top Supernovas should be much stronger, Even the difference between Luffy and Zoro is pretty significant, let alone Luffy and Capone or Bonney......
this is because Oda doesn't want the spotlight to be on Sanji, its as simple as that he wants him to remain that one monster who wasn't really known in the eyes of the average citizen. Also 3 supernovas in one crew is overkill compared to the other crews, it doesn't feel right. Officially the most a crew has are 2 (Kidd, SH's), but unofficially Sanji is in their ranks no doubt.
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I sort of remember Zoro being intercepted and then sent 10+ feet underground without so much as a single gesture from Fuji. Then making a futile attempt at a counterattack which was also casually brushed aside. I recall him being out of breathe and reduced to one knee. Have mercy on his soul had Fuji wanted to harm him let alone actually attack him. You say "He clashed with an Admiral" in an attempt to single him out from Sanji as if him and Fuji were even remotely in the same spectrum of ability. As if he did something Sanji couldn't have done. He didn't do anything but get rag dolled the same way Sanji would have.
I agree with your overall point but now you're just resorting to complete nonsense. Zoro's confrontation with Fuji holds literally no relevance to this discussion.
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Zoro countered his gravity and sent a flying slash which stoped fujitora from keep his hold on him. Even law could not move under a little bit of gravity while Zoro was sent into the ground and could still send a flying slash against the gravity. Doffy one shoted sanji when he tried to fight him. These guys think zoro would get one shoted by doffy just like sanji but he wouldn't.
I didnt bring this stuff up but hurt sanji fans did when they started comparing him to zoro because of my thread.
KingHashirama
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Hmmm people know who black legged Sanji is...
He is no longer the "invisible" guy.. hell Ussopp is probably more invisible than Sanji, does Oda want him to stay low as well?? Or how about chopper?? lol
Still doesn't really changed the fact he was easily thrown down the hole by it, don't compare the gravity that was used on Law to Zoro. Law hadn't been beaten up Fuji and Doflamingo aswell. Doflamingo never one shotted Sanji, Doflamongo hit him with the 5 coloured strings and Sanji pretty much brushed off the attack. Zoro with no intel would get beat handily by Doflmaingo, fodderizing Pica isn't really changing the stance on that, epically if Zoro has no Intel just like Sanji.
again did you not read my post? I'm talking relative to strength, the fact that you're even comparing Sanji's notoriety to the likes of Usopp and not Zoro proves my point.
Also Usopp is the guy they're calling "GOD" on this island are they not? Its gotten so bad that even Zoro feels he's below Usopp (atleast on Dressrosa), when he mentions Luffy and Usopp ahead of him
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Jugram Haschwalth
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There aren't going to fight plus from what we've seen from Capone he's like a walking battleship i don't think Sanji could win a battle against him while also trying to keep Nami Chopper and the other weaker crew members out of danger.
Confirmed Usopp>sanji I believe that was supposed to be comedic. I remember getting a good laugh when I first read that.
It would seem so. I doubt sanji could win at all, he would lose high to diff.