[Discussion] Sanji surpasses Zoro in Wholecake Island

[MickNerks]

We have reached the conclusion of Whole Cake Island and I know a lot of us were expecting Sanji to display some fighting feats that gave him better standing as one of the Monster Trio of the Straw Hat pirates, but it seems that ODA has allowed Sanji to shine in another way.

In the conclusion of this arc I do believe that Sanji solidified himself as being Yonko Chef Level. What I mean by this is that as of this moment Sanji has demonstrated cooking ability and skill that surpasses a yonko's chef. If Luffy were to become pirate king tommorow Sanji seems to be fully prepared to be a cook that is worthy of the title pirate king's cheft (having KO'd a yonko with a cake that he prepared in mere hours, with nothing but his senses to confirm the ingredience.)

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Meanwhile, Zoro has yet to display that he is a swordsman worthy of being on a pirate kings ship. If we look at this as who has developed their talents via the role on the ship, sanji seem to be quite a bit ahead of Zoro at this point in time.

Thoughts?​

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[BusinessManTeno]

lol
I mean if you put it that way then... Sure
in terms of his Goals he is showing he has surpassed yonko chef level
but its hard to reach the best when you cant physically hold your own lol

Zoro would shit on sanji

 

[Passerby]

MickNerks in 2019
"Zoro surpasses every One Piece character in Wano Kingdom, I have officially dyed my hair green and slashed my eye."

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Agreed. Sanji is already the world's greatest chef. I can't wait until Luffy is Pirate King and Sanji feeds an attacking Yonko and the Yonko's entire crew.

 

[MickNerks]

lol
I mean if you put it that way then... Sure
in terms of his Goals he is showing he has surpassed yonko chef level
but its hard to reach the best when you cant physically hold your own lol

Zoro would shit on sanji

In terms of strength, you are right. I just wanted to give Sanji so recognition considering he did nothing battle wise that was impressive during this entire arc

MickNerks in 2019
"Zoro surpasses every One Piece character in Wano Kingdom, I have officially dyed my hair green and slashed my eye."

I will never be a Zoro Fanboy.
My favorite straw hat swordsman will always be Soul King Brook!!!

Agreed. Sanji is already the world's greatest chef. I can't wait until Luffy is Pirate King and Sanji feeds an attacking Yonko and the Yonko's entire crew.

Clearly sanji is not the greatest chef in one piece. This wasnt meant to call sanji the greatest chef, it was only mean to show how his talents in cooking paralled to a yonko's chef's (Which we can assume has far more years of experience than Sanji under his belt).

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Clearly sanji is not the greatest chef in one piece. This wasnt meant to call sanji the greatest chef, it was only mean to show how his talents in cooking paralled to a yonko's chef's (Which we can assume has far more years of experience than Sanji under his belt).

No one could possibly compete with Sanji at this point. It took Stensen days to make the cake he did, then Sanji walks in and tops it in 10 hours.

 

[Skull Knight]

Lol by that logic he surpassed Luffy as Luffy is still nowhere near Pirateking or Yonko lvl

 

[MickNerks]

Lol by that logic he surpassed Luffy as Luffy is still nowhere near Pirateking or Yonko lvl

This has nothing to do with strength.

And in terms of resources, Luffy is closer than any other supernova:

-Luffy has a enitre Grand Fleet and fleet commanders (similar to whitebeard)
- Luffy has Territory (similar to yonko)
- Luffy has a Road Poneglyph (similar to Roger)
- Luffy actively and openly challenges other yonko (He challenged Whitebeard, Kaido, and Big Mom)

So your observtaion is wrong.
Luffy is gaining the resources necessary to be called pirate king. In terms of strength he is still behind, but this thread was not created to talk about strength. Luffy and Sanji (possibly Brook and Nami) have demonstrated that they can fufill their ROLE on the ship at a high level (yonko crew level).

 

[Lord Tywin]

Fairly similar in level. High diff Zoro

 

[Skull Knight]

This has nothing to do with strength.

It has nothing to do with strength yet u assume Zoro hasn't shown anything Swordsman worthy???

And in terms of resources, Luffy is closer than any other supernova:

Supernova is not equal to Pirate king

Luffy has a enitre Grand Fleet and fleet commanders (similar to whitebeard)
- Luffy has Territory (similar to yonko)
- Luffy has a Road Poneglyph (similar to Roger)
- Luffy actively and openly challenges other yonko (He challenged Whitebeard, Kaido, and Big Mom)

So what's d point??? All random Pirates challenges Yonkos. Doesn't make them Yonko lvl worthy.

So your observtaion is wrong.
Luffy is gaining the resources necessary to be called pirate king. In terms of strength he is still behind, but this thread was not created to talk about strength. Luffy and Sanji (possibly Brook and Nami) have demonstrated that they can fufill their ROLE on the ship at a high level (yonko crew level).

Lol nice BS. Luffy gaining rss n Zoro doing nothing what manga u reading.

 

[WhistleBlower]

Nah i always go with the belief that zoro and sanji are equals . Their weaknesses and strengths cancel each other out. They just haven't showed their true strength post time skip, there hasn't been much time so just give it some time . Although i wager wano will be where everyone can bring their inner strengths out against a monstrous enemy aka KAIDOU of the HUUNDRED BEASTS!!!!

 

[Uverdore9]

Currently yes, but Zoro would wreck things up in Wano, earning his right to be on that ship.

 

[MickNerks]

It has nothing to do with strength yet u assume Zoro hasn't shown anything Swordsman worthy???

Zoro as a Swordsman has not competed or shown feats that would put him on or near the skill of Vista, Mihawk, Rayleigh, Fujitora or any other top tier swordsman in the Manga. This is also not Zoro's fault seeing how Oda has not given him a worthy challenger since the post TS started. Im sure Zoro's swordsmanship feats will be displayed heavily in Wano, we just havent gotten their yet.

Also, Strength has nothing to do with swordsmanship skill as seem when Mihawk embaressed zoro with skill alone:

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Supernova is not equal to Pirate king

Morgans litterally just made a statement in the Manga that one of the supernova will be pirate king. If you compare every supernova to each other based on who seems to be gaining the most resources and who has the biggest crew and/fleet, then from what we know, Luffy is ahead of everyone else in progress made to get to that level.

This is not about judging them by strength.

So what's d point??? All random Pirates challenges Yonkos. Doesn't make them Yonko lvl worthy.

Once again, Im not saying luffy is yonko level. Im saying he is the closest to that level amonsgt all of the other supernova. Luffy still has years before he is actually able to stand toe to toe with a Yonko.

This post was just to give credit to sanji's cooking feats and show that he was shown to be superior to a yonko chef in terms of skill. So it would seem at this point in time sanji's ROLE as a cook in the crew is so advanced that he could serve as a yonko's Top cook and or beat them in a cookoff.

Hence why I say, Sanji as a cook is Yonko Crew Level.

Lol nice BS. Luffy gaining rss n Zoro doing nothing what manga u reading.

I never said Zoro hasnt done anything. You are trying to make it seem like I am dissing zoro, when I am not. I am only pointing out that given both Zoro and Sanji's respective roles in the crew (NOT STRENGTH), Sanji has been shown to be ready the serve as a Top Yonko Staffer (IN SKILL), while Zoro has not recieved such feats yet.

This is not a VERSUS THREAD

 

[Skull Knight]

Zoro as a Swordsman has not competed or shown feats that would put him on or near the skill of Vista, Mihawk, Rayleigh, Fujitora or any other top tier swordsman in the Manga. This is also not Zoro's fault seeing how Oda has not given him a worthy challenger since the post TS started. Im sure Zoro's swordsmanship feats will be displayed heavily in Wano, we just havent gotten their yet.

Lol again if u have forgotten but Zoro needs to lift weights which is a part of Swordsman ship again which implies strength n he already sliced a mountain and defeated a full body Haki guy. For now he has display enough feats.

Also, Strength has nothing to do with swordsmanship skill as seem when Mihawk embaressed zoro with skill alone:

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Yes u need strength to slice. Without it u won't be able to cut those mountains lol. That's y Mihawk also said he wants to see how strong WB was during MF. He was measuring his strength with him not his skills

Morgans litterally just made a statement in the Manga that one of the supernova will be pirate king. If you compare every supernova to each other based on who seems to be gaining the most resources and who has the biggest crew and/fleet, then from what we know, Luffy is ahead of everyone else in progress made to get to that level.

Lol if we compare Supernovas then BB is d closest to become a Pirate king

This is not about judging them by strength.



Once again, Im not saying luffy is yonko level. Im saying he is the closest to that level amonsgt all of the other supernova. Luffy still has years before he is actually able to stand toe to toe with a Yonko.

To be honest Luffy is way behind. Guys like Capone n Drake already infiltrated Yonko camps while Luffy was still training with Rayleigh. They had much better chance to assassinate Yonkos if Luffy wasn't d main character.

This post was just to give credit to sanji's cooking feats and show that he was shown to be superior to a yonko chef in terms of skill. So it would seem at this point in time sanji's ROLE as a cook in the crew is so advanced that he could serve as a yonko's Top cook and or beat them in a cookoff.

Hence why I say, Sanji as a cook is Yonko Crew Level.

Lol this isn't a cooking manga.

I never said Zoro hasnt done anything. You are trying to make it seem like I am dissing zoro, when I am not. I am only pointing out that given both Zoro and Sanji's respective roles in the crew (NOT STRENGTH), Sanji has been shown to be ready the serve as a Top Yonko Staffer (IN SKILL), while Zoro has not recieved such feats yet.

This is not a VERSUS THREAD

Again what makes u think Zoro hasn't done anything???
We already hear twice by Urogue n Barto that Zoro is VC/FM of SHs. Now I don't want to start the old FM debate but I suppose u got my point.

 

[Ace of the fire fist]

It's early days to talk about what Zoro is and isn't. He hasn't broke into second gear yet.

This whole Sanji vs Zoro thing is pointless. Zoro is obviously stronger, but he should be stronger considering his entire life revolves around bettering his swordsmanship. Fighting is a secondary discipline to Sanji, he's a chef before anything else and that is what he prioritizes.

 

[MickNerks]

Lol again if u have forgotten but Zoro needs to lift weights which is a part of Swordsman ship again which implies strength n he already sliced a mountain and defeated a full body Haki guy. For now he has display enough feats.
Yes u need strength to slice. Without it u won't be able to cut those mountains lol. That's y Mihawk also said he wants to see how strong WB was during MF. He was measuring his strength with him not his skills

You are missing the point about what I am implying.

Im talking about zoro's SKILL compaired to other swordsman on Yonko crew or Admirals. Skill and strength are not the same, if thats the case then Big Mom with Napolean should be considered the worlds greatest swordsman because she has displayed more phyical strength than Mihawk and she carries a sword. The fact that she is not the WSS should indicate that SKILL WITH A SWORD is what is important.

And when talking about skill with a sword Zoro has not had an oppurtunity to be compaired to higher ranking swordsman, but Im sure this will change by the end of Wano.

Lol if we compare Supernovas then BB is d closest to become a Pirate king

You are absoluely right.. I forgot about BB. He is definetly ahead of Luffy.

To be honest Luffy is way behind. Guys like Capone n Drake already infiltrated Yonko camps while Luffy was still training with Rayleigh. They had much better chance to assassinate Yonkos if Luffy wasn't d main character.

They infiltrated yonko's territory and was placed in a situation where they had to serve the Yonko. Luffy has yet to submit to a Yonko and serve in their crew.

Lol this isn't a cooking manga.

Obviously... You missed the purpose of this thread. It was to give sanji a pat on the back for at least gaining developement in his cooking skills, becuase he didnt show developement in any other category this arc.

 

[MickNerks]

Nah i always go with the belief that zoro and sanji are equals . Their weaknesses and strengths cancel each other out. They just haven't showed their true strength post time skip, there hasn't been much time so just give it some time . Although i wager wano will be where everyone can bring their inner strengths out against a monstrous enemy aka KAIDOU of the HUUNDRED BEASTS!!!!

I wasnt refering to their strength, just how their skill has grown for their respective role in the crew. But I agree with you that everyone will more than likely get to display true strength during the wano arc.

 

[Skull Knight]

You are missing the point about what I am implying.

Im talking about zoro's SKILL compaired to other swordsman on Yonko crew or Admirals. Skill and strength are not the same, if thats the case then Big Mom with Napolean should be considered the worlds greatest swordsman because she has displayed more phyical strength than Mihawk and she carries a sword. The fact that she is not the WSS should indicate that SKILL WITH A SWORD is what is important.

U not getting d point. Swordsmanship revolves around Strength of a Swordsman. Without it he/she can't do the fancy stuff they show(slicing mountains etc). Strength- Stamina and Agility makes swordsmanship looks impressive n Zoro already showed it in Dressrosa when he was fighting Pica.I won't compare it with Admirals as they themselves haven't shown any swordsmanship skills(I mean u seriously don't count summoning meteors as skill o_0)

And when talking about skill with a sword Zoro has not had an oppurtunity to be compaired to higher ranking swordsman, but Im sure this will change by the end of Wano.

He has already defeated a full body Haki guy.

They infiltrated yonko's territory and was placed in a situation where they had to serve the Yonko. Luffy has yet to submit to a Yonko and serve in their crew.

Lol Urogue also successfully infiltrate Yonkos territory and he didn't submit.
Kid n Drake also did d same.
It's no big deal to infiltrate Yonkos territory.

Obviously... You missed the purpose of this thread. It was to give sanji a pat on the back for at least gaining developement in his cooking skills, becuase he didnt show developement in any other category this arc.

Lol cooking skills.
Just see how weird it sounds. Zoro-Law is preparing for a war in Yonko territory while Sanji was busy baking a Cake

 

[Our Lord Sasuke]

Okay.

 

[Love Cook]

Lol cooking skills.
Just see how weird it sounds. Zoro-Law is preparing for a war in Yonko territory while Sanji was busy baking a Cake

Half of the crew is alive thanks to cooking skills.