[Discussion] Sanji › Vergo

[Underdog ninja]

Ive'd rewatched the fight to manny times and realised in the long run Sanji would win


Reason's: Vergo was to cocky, he relies alot on his haki and lets his guard down plenty allowing sanji to land hits

2: Sanji had better techinque, sanji easily dodged and blocked vergos attacks using only observation haki, even when he knew nothing of his opponent.

3: if vergo used his full body armament sanji can use diable jambe and hell memories to increase his attack power like he did in ernies lobby, with vergo being a "rusher" sanji can easily dodge his attacks with observation haki and after a long fight defeat Vergo.

While vergo is truly strong Sanji wins MID -HIGH DIFF, law can easily defeat him once he sets room and only had a hard time cause vego used his heart and rushed him befor he could acvtivate "room", and smoker is just weak compered to "New world" characters.

Please disscuss and share your toughts, on why you think vergo would win or if you also belive sanji would win.

 

[Shinichi Izumi]

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[Zorø]

Vergo>>>>sanji fact..

 

[Underdog ninja]

Vergo>>>>sanji fact..

where is your Proof?

 

[David1996]

nah man...

 

[Skylar Knight]

From what we saw in the fight, it seems like Vergo is slightly stronger than Sanji. It doesn't seem like our favorite cook is all too experienced with haki yet.

 

[Kuzan]

People seem to forget that Sanji was already pretty beat up when Nami was in his body. Obviously he was not 100%. If he were 100% it would still be a high-diff fight, but a win nonetheless.

 

[Fireplay]

Sanji was already beaten up when he went against Vergo. Back in PH if Sanji was in perfect condition when he fought Vergo i don't know who would've won but end of Dressrosa when Sanji goes all out and shows his new moves he'll be>Vergo.

 

[shon93]

I sense a fanboy

Its simple Smoker lost to Vergo mid difficuly so what do you expect Sanji to do against Vergo. And when Vergo went full body COA smoker looked shocked like he was suprise Vergo wasn't going all out all that time

It doesn't matter who has better techniques Sanji got his leg cracked and Vergo wasn't even in full body COA. Also Vergo didn't even hit Sanji once and he damaged Sanji. Stop being a fanboy bro

 

[crono0929]

vergo's haki was just too much...

 

[ToshiZO]

Vergo was above Sanji, Zoro and Smoker. The only ones who could take him down in Punk Hazard were either Luffy or Law, and Luffy 's fight would be no less than extreme diff Lucci type fight.

 

[Underdog ninja]

I sense a fanboy

Its simple Smoker lost to Vergo mid difficuly so what do you expect Sanji to do against Vergo. And when Vergo went full body COA smoker looked shocked like he was suprise Vergo wasn't going all out all that time

It doesn't matter who has better techniques Sanji got his leg cracked and Vergo wasn't even in full body COA. Also Vergo didn't even hit Sanji once and he damaged Sanji. Stop being a fanboy bro

Lol, no, sanji was hurt, had no info on vergos haki, smoker would also lose to sanji, vergo did NOT land one hit, and sanji did, i think you just need to stop loking and evrything so plain, remeber when zoro and luffy first fought rob lucci? They got destroyed but then managed to beat him on a rematch, if you ask me its a similar scenario for sanji here.

 

[Shinichi Izumi]

Lol, no, sanji was hurt, had no info on vergos haki, smoker would also lose to sanji, vergo did NOT land one hit, and sanji did, i think you just need to stop loking and evrything so plain, remeber when zoro and luffy first fought rob lucci? They got destroyed but then managed to beat him on a rematch, if you ask me its a similar scenario for sanji here.

Read my previous post, Sanji's inner monologues

 

[TheHokage]

Lol, no, sanji was hurt, had no info on vergos haki, smoker would also lose to sanji, vergo did NOT land one hit, and sanji did, i think you just need to stop loking and evrything so plain, remeber when zoro and luffy first fought rob lucci? They got destroyed but then managed to beat him on a rematch, if you ask me its a similar scenario for sanji here.

Please Sanji is not stronger than Smoker...Sanji is the weakest of the monster trio, not by much but he's still the weakest and Luffy and Smoker are meant to be rivals, Smoker is around Zoro's level.

Anyway I agree ToshiOZ Vergo was the strongest enemy on Punk Hazard, Sanji's bones where just breaking from fighting him also Vergo held back he wasn't even using his advanced Haki on him nor was he using his bamboo stick. To be honest if it wasn't for the fact of Law's Haxed devil fruit Vergo wouldn't have been defeated he was Doflamingo's right hand man and I honestly believe if Luffy had battled him Luffy might not have won.

 

[shon93]

Please Sanji is not stronger than Smoker...Sanji is the weakest of the monster trio, not by much but he's still the weakest and Luffy and Smoker are meant to be rivals, Smoker is around Zoro's level.

Anyway I agree ToshiOZ Vergo was the strongest enemy on Punk Hazard, Sanji's bones where just breaking from fighting him also Vergo held back he wasn't even using his advanced Haki on him nor was he using his bamboo stick. To be honest if it wasn't for the fact of Law's Haxed devil fruit Vergo wouldn't have been defeated he was Doflamingo's right hand man and I honestly believe if Luffy had battled him Luffy might not have won.

Luffy would have slaughtered Vergo mid diff bro are we watching the same Luffy. This dude is faster than Vergo and is a more balanced haki user than Vergo because he has all 3 and Vergo only has one

The fight would have ended in a redhawk or a variant to it

 

[LitzSabr]

Just how many times.
Sanji was in a bad shape. Fatigued and damaged muscles>poor Shock absorbers>Direct pressure on bones which may cause them to break.
Sanji didn't go all out, neither did Vergo. But Sanji started to fight in a bad condition and no wonder he got his bone cracked. This thing can't be used to say that Vergo is stronger than Sanji. It is difficult to say who would win in a long run. Either way, it'd be a very high diff.

Luffy would have slaughtered Vergo mid diff bro are we watching the same Luffy. This dude is faster than Vergo and is a more balanced haki user than Vergo because he has all 3 and Vergo only has one

The fight would have ended in a redhawk or a variant to it

Luffy would win, but Red hawk can't take down Vergo. It took a mountain level cut from law to bypass Vergo's Haki. If redhawk has that much intensity, only then it can. Though it surely doesn't.

 

[shon93]

Just how many times.
Sanji was in a bad shape. Fatigued and damaged muscles>poor shock Shock absorbers>Direct pressure on bones which may cause them to break.
Sanji didn't go all out, neither did Vergo. But Sanji started to fight in a bad condition and no wonder he got his bone cracked. This thing can't be used to say that Vergo is stronger than Sanji. It is difficult to say who would win in a long run. Either way, it'd be a very high diff.

Luffy would win, but Red hawk can't take down Vergo. It took a mountain level cut from law to bypass Vergo's Haki. If redhawk has that much intensity, only then it can. Though it surely doesn't.

If red Hawk is so hot it can be light underwater it should be 5x stronger on land bro using logics. and going off of power scaling Sanji still would have lost to Vergo because Smoker did and he did mid diff. Again when we see Sanji he will be using powerful new techniques he didn't use against Vergo and DD an we will say why didn't he use them in the matches he lost its simple the fights ended quickly because Sanji's arnaments and COO was strong enough to fight those guys

 

[LitzSabr]

If red Hawk is so hot it can be light underwater it should be 5x stronger on land bro using logics. and going off of power scaling Sanji still would have lost to Vergo because Smoker did and he did mid diff. Again when we see Sanji he will be using powerful new techniques he didn't use against Vergo and DD an we will say why didn't he use them in the matches he lost its simple the fights ended quickly because Sanji's arnaments and COO was strong enough to fight those guys

I know it'd be more stronger. But is it still comparable to what law did.. I don't think so. If Luffy had to use G3 Elephant Thor against old Chinjao and then win after a little struggle. He is not going to defeat Vergo without using it.
Smoker did and so Sanji would lose. Why now? Sanji is now better than Smoker. Smoker Was above the M3. Wether he is supposed to be Luffy's marine rival or not, Now he's below Luffy by a good margin. Smoker and Sanji are nearly the Same in abilities though Sanji clearly has better striking strength, which puts him above Smoker.
And yeah, about his haki.. I've already explained what happened in his fight with Vergo, but with Doffy. The fight ended quickly because of a few reasons. Sanji didn't have any intel on his abilities which were in their own way more dangerous that way, and second is as clear as it gets that DD is Stronger than Sanji, better everything. And that is why the fight ended quickly. Though with Vergo, it's a different case.

 

[shon93]

I know it'd be more stronger. But is it still comparable to what law did.. I don't think so. If Luffy had to use G3 Elephant Thor against old Chinjao and then win after a little struggle. He is not going to defeat Vergo without using it.
Smoker did and so Sanji would lose. Why now? Sanji is now better than Smoker. Smoker Was above the M3. Wether he is supposed to be Luffy's marine rival or not, Now he's below Luffy by a good margin. Smoker and Sanji are nearly the Same in abilities though Sanji clearly has better striking strength, which puts him above Smoker.
And yeah, about his haki.. I've already explained what happened in his fight with Vergo, but with Doffy. The fight ended quickly because of a few reasons. Sanji didn't have any intel on his abilities which were in their own way more dangerous that way, and second that DD is Stronger than Sanji. And that is why the fight ended quickly. Though with Vergo, it's a different case.

Luffy beat DCJ easily he basically demolished DCJ in two punches and in low diff. DCJ was also knocked out and his head reshaped but I get what your saying Vergo would be a btter match up for Luffy than Law because he's hax. But I totally disagree with you Sanji is weaker than Smoker or equal theres no way he's stronger and Smoker is Luffy's rival think logically and put all fanboying aside

It was not about having intel on Vergo why he lost because its not like Vergo did anything special like taking oxygen out the air. He simple kicked Sanji and his leg cracked.

 

[LitzSabr]

Luffy beat DCJ easily he basically demolished DCJ in two punches and in low diff. DCJ was also knocked out and his head reshaped but I get what your saying Vergo would be a btter match up for Luffy than Law because he's hax. But I totally disagree with you Sanji is weaker than Smoker or equal theres no way he's stronger and Smoker is Luffy's rival think logically and put all fanboying aside

It was not about having intel on Vergo why he lost because its not like Vergo did anything special like taking oxygen out the air. He simple kicked Sanji and his leg cracked.

Smoker is supposed to be Luffy's rival. So what!? If we are going to ignore what we see just because of that then the one ignoring would be the one illogical. Having the same strength isn't a condition in the rivalry of Smoker and Luffy. Where was their rivalry before timeskip? Smoker still was Luffy's marine rival, but he was way above Luffy strength wise. And now he is below Luffy. See where I am going. Being Luffy's rival doesn't give us an exact measurment of Smoker's own strength for us to say that he has got to be stronger than Sanji,,, because the ratio between Smoker and Luffy has been changing.

First he didn't lost to Vergo. Though he would have in his condition. I didn't say that Vergo cracked his leg because of Sanji's lack of intel or anything, that was for his fight which ended quickly with DD. I have already explained why Sanji got his bone cracked.