Sanin.. and genjutsu wtf

[KingHashirama]

There are several problems with your assumptions.

1. Jiraiya is not immune to genjutsu. In fact, the only characters that have been said to be immune to genjutsu are Jinchuriki since one of their minds does not actually occupy a physical body. However, the person still needs to realize that they are under a genjutsu before they can break out of it. You assume that since Ma, Pa, and Jiraiya all share chakra, they are immune to genjutsu. However, it the caster is able to use multiple genjutsu techniques on different people (such as Itachi), then it is possible to catch all three of them in a genjutsu at the same time.

2. I don't even follow how you conclude that Tsunade's Yin Seal gives her an advantage against genjutsu. Is it because she can flush her system with a huge amount of chakra? If that's the case, then she still has to be able to recognize that she is trapped in a genjutsu in the first place. Therefore, she could probably break some basic genjutsu techniques, but there have also been some genjutsu users that are considered to be inescapable without some sort of outside intervention. For instance, Tayuya's flute, Jiraiya's Sage Mode genjutsu, and Itachi's Tsukiyomi all seem to require some sort of outside/physical intervention in order to escape.

In short, I agree that the Sannin, all of the Sannin, have some sort of counter to genjutsu (if you think about it Genin Sakura had a counter to genjutsu), but it is hard to conclude that any of them would fair well against true genjutsu masters.

1. SM Jiraiya has the same process as the Jinchurikis..... toads are connected to Jiraiya

2. Tsunade can stop/disrupt chakra from any part of her body.. just like Sakura can focus all of her chakra from the entire body into 1 single point. Chakra control is the best counter to genjutsu. ... Stated by Jiraiya himself. Yin seal, adds chakra from the brain, where genjutsu is at work. Also, the Yin seal is a gradual process hence why there are limits on the markings. Chakra can either be taken out gradually or at a time.

Sigh. Yeah, I'm "spouting"

Jiraiya, I never said they wouldn't notice. I said it would be too late. Things go like this this : tsukuymi takes effect > a moment later ( doesn't matter how long) toads will try to bust him out, but he's already collapsed because he's spent 3 days in a genjutsu for about 1 second real time. No way the toads are realistically noticing and breaking him out in less than 1 second....

Tsunade. What you said is not relevant to the fact that if she's caught in Tsukuyomi, she's a goner.

In SM, Kabuto is actively intaking nature energy and molding it into sage mode chakra; that's like a constant disturbance in his chakra. But he stll bothered to close his eyes, despite his sensing skills too...

The chakra flow can be disrupted the very moment they notice the change of the flow.. you aren't understanding that. You seem to think they will wait or something. They can be on the look out for chakra flow change , while adding on SM chakra.


What I said is in fact relevant.

Why state the Kabuto crap again, if you aren't going to bother countering what i stated? lol. I specifically said SM chakra is molded inside the stomach, the place where chakra flow starts.. so gathering energy wouldn't cause any disruption..

ALL GENJUTSU IS INSTANT..... don't know why you Tsukuyomi fans, keep saying Tsukuyomi is instant hence it solos.. no.

 

[Huzaifa]

Tsukuyomi in real time last 1 second. It truly cannot be broken immediately in real time. This was concluded when Kakashi fought Itachi for the first time.

Bee broke it like nothing haha. Perfect jins solo it. I can be wrong as sasuke sucked with it but good with the flames.

 

[raziel777]

1. SM Jiraiya has the same process as the Jinchurikis..... toads are connected to Jiraiya

2. Tsunade can stop/disrupt chakra from any part of her body.. just like Sakura can focus all of her chakra from the entire body into 1 single point. Chakra control is the best counter to genjutsu. ... Stated by Jiraiya himself. Yin seal, adds chakra from the brain, where genjutsu is at work. Also, the Yin seal is a gradual process hence why there are limits on the markings. Chakra can either be taken out gradually or at a time.



The chakra flow can be disrupted the very moment they notice the change of the flow.. you aren't understanding that. You seem to think they will wait or something. They can be on the look out for chakra flow change , while adding on SM chakra.


What I said is in fact relevant.

Why state the Kabuto crap again, if you aren't going to bother countering what i stated? lol. I specifically said SM chakra is molded inside the stomach, the place where chakra flow starts.. so gathering energy wouldn't cause any disruption..

ALL GENJUTSU IS INSTANT..... don't know why you Tsukuyomi fans, keep saying Tsukuyomi is instant hence it solos.. no.

All genjutsus are instant but none phucks up instantly but Tsukuyomi (and the sound one)

 

[KingHashirama]

All genjutsus are instant but none phucks up instantly but Tsukuyomi (and the sound one)

that depends on the user. Tsukuyomi user must stay in place also. =].

Sound one is easily countered if info is available.

 

[raziel777]

Do I have to post scans of Bee falling on the floor against Sasuke or getting caught in Itachi's basic genjutsu ? In both instances, it took Hachibi more than 1 sec to break in out of it. Same logic will apply to Tsunade

 

[raziel777]

that depends on the user. Tsukuyomi user must stay in place also. =].

Sound one is easily countered if info is available.

Who says they must stand still to cast it ? That's made up ish. And I was talking about Itachi's. He can cast it fast, insta look in his eye = insta loss for the 3 up there

 

[KingHashirama]

Do I have to post scans of Bee falling on the floor against Sasuke or getting caught in Itachi's basic genjutsu ? In both instances, it took Hachibi more than 1 sec to break in out of it. Same logic will apply to Tsunade

Hachibi wasn't on the look out mate.. Hachibi also could've switched with B...

And eh, i'm tired of arguing the samething over and over. Believe what you want mate.