Sandaime Raikage[EjBlack] vs. Jinchuriki Gaara[DrProof]

[DrProof]

Bout to hit up subway before it closes.

Btw we have our final judge Kifflom so we set.

Bruh don't get that apple-pulled pork bbq shit. Gross asf.

And dope, dope.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Bruh don't get that apple-pulled pork bbq shit. Gross asf.

And dope, dope.

Lel. na, nothing tops spicy italian

btw how many post we doing?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Subway is cross as shit, just go and eat at your local Quizno's

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Subway is cross as shit, just go and eat at your local Quizno's

Never tried that nor jimmy john's (smell bad when I walk in store), nor firehouse subs. What I really want to try is firehouse tho.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Never tried that nor jimmy john's (smell bad when I walk in store), nor firehouse subs. What I really want to try is firehouse tho.

I have honestly never heard of any of those places. You must live in a very strange place. If I had to guess, I'd say Kansas. . .

I wanted to try Popeyes once, but it looked like grease with a side of something that resembles food.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

I'd be careful, mods might close this for going off-topic.

Subway both tastes better, and is better for ones health then all the places aforementioned.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I have honestly never heard of any of those places. You must live in a very strange place. If I had to guess, I'd say Kansas. . .

I wanted to try Popeyes once, but it looked like grease with a side of something that resembles food.

Lel na im from FL.

And your right about Popeyes lol. Pretty much like KFC. I only go there fore like potato wedges or something.

Bojangles is where its at (unless you never heard of that spot too lel)

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Lel na im from FL.

And your right about Popeyes lol. Pretty much like KFC. I only go there fore like potato wedges or something.

Bojangles is where its at (unless you never heard of that spot too lel)

Florida? Good Lord, how do you survive in that heat? I don't go to KFC either, I was told to go to Chick Fil Ay's(?) instead, as it was where I belonged.

LOL? That's a hilarious sounding restaurant/take out name. I have not heard of it, but I wish there was one near me.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Florida? Good Lord, how do you survive in that heat? I don't go to KFC either, I was told to go to Chick Fil Ay's(?) instead, as it was where I belonged.

LOL? That's a hilarious sounding restaurant/take out name. I have not heard of it, but I wish there was one near me.

(Ok last reply on this topic lol) Bruh, the heat is just... its just.

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YESSS Chick fil a is the booomb. I have one like 2 mins drive away from my house. Its perfect.

Ya Bojangles is tight. I think it branches off in the south.

 

[Beans2]

I don't know about y'all but I live in the ATX and will forever be reppin ??????Thundercloud Subs?????? becayse they trump any other sandwich place. Case closed gg thundercloud wins low-mid diff ??????

 

[DrProof]

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[/CENTER] The Third Raikage is a calm and seemingly level-headed person. And a man who would do anything for his village. He will take down down his enemies wither it will last until his dying breath (via lasting 3 days and nights of fighting). Raikage isn't quick to act much like his hot headed son. With that said he will analyze Gaara and make a rationale conclusion that Gaara is much like his father[

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], so he will expect overwhelming sand techs. Gaara's Sand tech is no threat to the Raikage. Sorry to burst your bubble. With a man that was well known of his body like steel and blood like iron[

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] and being able to tank a devastating move like Rasenshirukin (both its cutting and explosive power), Gaara is basically fighting another Kimimaro by scenario. Or should I say a "super Kimimaro w/ super overwhelming speed lol". It was already canon that suppressing Raikage with sand will easily break out of it[

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]. Second, Gaara's sand speed still has trouble catching speed like characters proven when trying to capture Joki[

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]. With Raikage Raiton armor he moves faster then Joki, fact. So I can pretty much argue of replicating the same feat he was dealing when facing Joki. As he is faster is very agile with good reflexes[

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]. Raikage's fighting style is straight forward. Juggernaut through everything and uses his speed/reflexes when the time comes. That is all thats needed when facing Gaara. Raikage pulls out any variant of Nukite and proceed to juggernaut and pierce through any sand thats in front of him. If a Mass Doton Wall +Yonton Elastic prioritizes couldn't stop him from continually tackle through so Sand is going to stop him but only minor slow him down. If by chance he still gets bury, will only simply walk out much like Kimmaro walking out of desert requiem[

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]. Then proceed avoid what he failed the first time. Catching Gaara with Nukite wouldn't be a problem because 1) Gaara always fights at the opponents level shown to the likes of even against Madara. 2.) Gaara using Sand base to capture Raikage can end up being a new platform to use[

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]. In thee end, Gaara gets penetrated to death, as no shield is protecting him from Raikage's Nukite.

Your premise was very easy to counter as it as heavenly relied on Suna Bushin to further support Gaara. Unfortunate you premise holds no water to make that feat claim. Here is what Databook 1 says about Suna Bushin use:



Here it is bold and underlined. Kishimoto draw as a conclusion that Suna Bushin =/= Kage Bushin. Nor any other Bushin since every Bushin classes works differently in the Naruto verse.

So the claim of making 3-4 bushin is not supported. And the fact that a single bushin has the chakra to pull out these jutsu when it was strictly built for decoy/distractions. Thus I cant make a rebuttal to something that does not support the manga.

Now you might bring up arguments that this book is waaaaay outdated for me to use it to disprove you as this is shippuden now. Unfortunately for you the same description Kishimoto showed was demonstrated in the war arc too. TWICE: [

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]. Thus invalid claim is invalid.

So fooling him once[

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] sure, next attempt gameover.

GG​

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All of that is refuted due to your misconception, and clever, but not clever enough way to try and switch things up on me. Let's take another look at what the apparent "First Databook" has to say:

The sand takes Gaara's shape, becomes a Bunshin and fights. The Suna Bunshin is
different from the other types of Bunshin in that the sand does not completely
assume the form of the user, but remains as sand the entire time. That is to
say, the Bunshin's form can be changed instantly into sand, and the enemy's body
can be trapped. Its many applications with long-range attacks can have it act as
a lure and a decoy. This is where it draws the line with other Bunshin.

Here is where you've gotten confused: "This is where it "Draws the line with other Bunshins". The Databook isn't secluding the Sand Bunshins. The Databok is secluding EVERY OTHER Bunshin that CAN'T perform the capabilities of luring, and acting as a decoy.

The meaning of "Draw the line":

to set a limit at something; to decide when a limit has been reached

or

to think of or treat one thing as different from another

As well, in Part one we saw Five Types of Clones: Bunshin, Mizu Bunshin, Mushi Bunshin, Doton Bunshin, and Suna Bunshin.

Q: What do all these clones have in common?
A: Chakra Distribution.

Every single one of these Clones possesses a % of the users Chakra. Two Bunshin have each 33.333% of the Original's Chakra, 3 Mizu Bunshin have each 25% of the Original's Chakra.

Q: Can all Bunshins be multiplied?
A: Yes.

All Bunshins can be split into x amount, it's all dependent on the User (Gaara in this situation). By your logic, Hashirama's Wood Clones should exceed the number of 1. Or Kakashi's Lightning Clone shouldn't exceed the number of 1 all due to being able to perform a capability that normal bunshins cannot. That is incorrect.

Q: Why hasn't Gaara been shown to use more than 1 Suna Bunshin
A: It's never been needed, as well Clones take up needed chakra

Of all the fights we've seen Gaara rarely use clones, why? Because Clone's aren't his "Cup of Tea". Eg; Sasuke can perform the Clone technique perfectly, Sakura as well. However, why don't they perform them? It's not their combatant preference. Not to mention the Clone technique (if one does not have massive chakra reserves) is taxing, and a waste of chakra, as well battle progression in most cases.

Q: So Gaara can construct multiple Suna Bunshin?
A: Correct.

Gaara uses his Sand as a Medium (meaning as a host) to perform his Suna Bunshin. With Gaara's perfect control of his Sand, as well chakra constructing more than one Bunshin is beyond plausible, thinking that it isn't plausible is ignorant so to speak, as well undermining Gaara as a character.

Q: Does EjBlack need to do his rebuttal over?
A: I think so. ​

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

How many posts are you guys doing?

 

[DrProof]

Hell if I know. 4 max sound good EJ?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

It seems that you are picking up sentences without its full context here. Read the second sentence:

The Suna Bunshin is different from the other types of Bunshin in that the sand does not completely
assume the form of the user, but remains as sand the entire time.

"assume": 1. suppose to be the case, without proof. or 2. take or begin to have (power or responsibility).

The second way to interpret "assume" in this context is going by number 2:

2. take or begin to have (power or responsibility).

So the context is secluding the Sand Bunshins as the bushin does not take or have power split from the user but simply used as a feint to which the databook plus the feats of the manga identified.

So for your questions:

Q: What do all these clones have in common?

A: You had the right answer, well partially right. It is chakra distribution but not every clone tech has the same chakra distribution, fact. And the databook says (and manga feats too) that Sand bushins do not take or begin to have (power or responsibility) therefore the distribution isn't divided evenly because it doesnt have the power/responsibility to act evenly as the original.

P.S Mizu Bushins do not take 25%[

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Q:Can all Bunshins be multiplied?

A: Could of been right but the context of Suna Bushin disagrees and portions are chakra each clone tech uses are specific so once again, false claim is unusable.

Q: Why hasn't Gaara been shown to use more than 1 Suna Bunshin

A:Because the context of Databook and description and manga feats shows that it doesn't hold chakra nor the responsibility as other clone techs out there.

P.S. There a difference between clone techs and shadow clone tech. clone tech aren't real they are just images so your chakra isn't being split. clone is a basic ninja tool to use to deceive your opponent. Read up =)

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Q: So Gaara can construct multiple Suna Bunshin?

A:Nope lol since it doesn't carry the same power / responsibility like other clones nor the same chakra distribution

Q: Does EjBlack need to do his rebuttal over?

Not at all as I pretty much counter Sand jutsu in general with Raikage durability and tanking feats that superior then Kimmiaro (who canonically use his powerful bones to bypass and break through sand), broke down that Raikage's speed > Joki boy (who canonically had the speed to dodge Gaara's sand), and Raiton (to which canonically bypass Sand jutsus) to which Raikage can bypass with 5 finger (when the lower the number of fingers determines more penetration power lol)

Nice try though.

Hell if I know. 4 max sound good EJ?

Thats good

 

[DrProof]

It seems that you are picking up sentences without its full context here. Read the second sentence:



"assume": 1. suppose to be the case, without proof. or 2. take or begin to have (power or responsibility).

The second way to interpret "assume" in this context is going by number 2:



So the context is secluding the Sand Bunshins as the bushin does not take or have power split from the user but simply used as a feint to which the databook plus the feats of the manga identified.

So for your questions:

Q: What do all these clones have in common?

A: You had the right answer, well partially right. It is chakra distribution but not every clone tech has the same chakra distribution, fact. And the databook says (and manga feats too) that Sand bushins do not take or begin to have (power or responsibility) therefore the distribution isn't divided evenly because it doesnt have the power/responsibility to act evenly as the original.

P.S Mizu Bushins do not take 25%[

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Q:Can all Bunshins be multiplied?

A: Could of been right but the context of Suna Bushin disagrees and portions are chakra each clone tech uses are specific so once again, false claim is unusable.

Q: Why hasn't Gaara been shown to use more than 1 Suna Bunshin

A:Because the context of Databook and description and manga feats shows that it doesn't hold chakra nor the responsibility as other clone techs out there.

P.S. There a difference between clone techs and shadow clone tech. clone tech aren't real they are just images so your chakra isn't being split. clone is a basic ninja tool to use to deceive your opponent. Read up =)

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Q: So Gaara can construct multiple Suna Bunshin?

A:Nope lol since it doesn't carry the same power / responsibility like other clones nor the same chakra distribution

Q: Does EjBlack need to do his rebuttal over?

Not at all as I pretty much counter Sand jutsu in general with Raikage durability and tanking feats that superior then Kimmiaro (who canonically use his powerful bones to bypass and break through sand), broke down that Raikage's speed > Joki boy (who canonically had the speed to dodge Gaara's sand), and Raiton (to which canonically bypass Sand jutsus) to which Raikage can bypass with 5 finger (when the lower the number of fingers determines more penetration power lol)

Nice try though.



Thats good

We're seriously going to waste our last two post on rather or not Sand Clones can be multiplied. Lol. I'll post my rebuttal later.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

We're seriously going to waste our last two post on rather or not Sand Clones can be multiplied. Lol. I'll post my rebuttal later.

I suggest you find a better argument thats backed up with feats lol

 

[DrProof]

I suggest you find a better argument thats backed up with feats lol

I suggest you forfeit. My OP ate you up, and you're grasping at straws trying to debunk a clone technique.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I suggest you forfeit. My OP ate you up, and you're grasping at straws trying to debunk a clone technique.

Lel no straw grasping here as I decided to read the full context of this tech and analyzing it that perfectly matches to what the manga has shown. Good luck though

 

[DrProof]

Lel no straw grasping here as I decided to read the full context of this tech and analyzing it that perfectly matches to what the manga has shown. Good luck though

I'd just think you'd want to spend more time on a proper rebuttal. v.v RIP EJblack he was indeed a worthy competitor.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I'd just think you'd want to spend more time on a proper rebuttal. v.v RIP EJblack he was indeed a worthy competitor.

Lel I see you 2marrow