Sakura vs Lee (Who's the better character?)

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We're doing the same thing here as in the last thread, comparing their personalities and their story-lines to figure out who's better as a character. We're not measuring their contribution to the main story-line or the impact they had on other characters, but simply the quality of their individual stories.

The purpose of this thread is to compare two characters objectively, from a narrative standpoint. It's not about who's your favorite.

This is a tough one for me, because Sakura's basically one of the main characters, as where Lee is more of a minor character. Sakura has been through a lot of development, and her life was an emotional roller coaster. Similar to Lee, she was bullied as a child....for her large forehead. It's not a very interesting thing to be bullied for but ya know, kids will pick at just about anything, so it IS realistic, and it did result in an interesting rivalry between Sakura and Ino. After this, Sakura had two main elements to her character; she wanted to become stronger so she wouldn't be left behind by her teammates, and she was abandoned by the love of her life, in a very abrupt manner, having her other teammate (who she beat a lot, but really cared for deeply) brought back to her half alive. The former, it's nothing new. It's something we see in a lot of Shinobi, everybody wants to become stronger. However, Sasuke abandoning her is her true moment in the spotlight. We really get to see a more deep and emotional side from Sakura after this, and this really drives her character to become...stronger *cough*, strong enough to bring Sasuke back. Sakura doesn't really come off as a funny character to me. I mean, her punches are iconic, but mostly she's a very emotional character. She's smart, rational, thoughtful and considerate, but she can also be dark too, like when she considered killing Sasuke.

Lee was in a similar situation to Sakura, as he also grew up being bullied. However, it seemed to me that Lee was being bullied more, and by a larger group of people, for a more serious reason. Lee couldn't use Ninjutsu or Genjutsu like everyone around him. He spent his entire childhood working relentlessly just to keep up with everyone. The entire world was his Naruto and Sasuke. His character has a very interesting personality, but it did seem kind of one-dimensional. You always knew what to expect from Lee. Nobility and fiery compassion. His relationship with Neji was where his character really shinned, as the contrast between them made Lee's fight all the more...worth while, or some shit, I don't know, I'm running out of words here. He has a strong student-teacher/father-son relationship with Might Gai, and a terribly undeveloped relationship with Tenten, cause Tenten don't do shit -_- and uh...I don't know, I'm sure you guys can think of more.

So. I think...I'm going to go with...Lee? It feels to me like Sakura has a one-dimensional story-line, and Lee has a one-dimensional personality. Sakura and Lee basically went through the same shit as kids, but Lee's situation carried a lot more weight because it was a lot more...prevalent. I mean, which story sounds better, the kid who trains relentlessly to prove everyone wrong, or the girl who cries because of her big forehead? Moving onto their pre-adolescent years, it still seems like Lee has a more interesting story, and even personality. Before Sasuke abandons Sakura, she's just the girl who always hits Naruto and is all over Sasuke. Lee on the other hand was a dark horse. His fight with Sasuke had people hyped for him. And then his fights in the Chunin Exams carried WAY MORE depth and gravity than Sakura's little feud with Ino. Because NEJI was so deep a character, Lee's contrasting relationship with him really benefited Lee's story-line and development. It made it really interesting to see such a heated clash of ideals coupled on one team. It was when Sasuke abandoned Sakura that her personality and story-line really flourished, as where Lee's sort of became stagnant. I call Lee's personality one-dimensional because while it is very interesting, how humble and passionate he can be, it doesn't really go anywhere, it doesn't change much or develop, he remains mostly the same person throughout the anime, as where Sakura's experience with Sasuke allows her a lot more development and depth. I call Sakura's story-line one-dimensional because there wasn't much...potential, aside from the predictable inevitability that she would marry Sasuke and become the best medic ninja. She had her shine when she beat Sasori, and then when she lied to Naruto about loving him and tried to kill Sasuke. But even then, it always seemed like she was just on a one-track road, Sasuke, Sasuke, Sasuke. It feels like Lee had a lot more potential, though it wasn't really tapped into because Kishimoto. But at the same time, Lee's was kind of one-track too because all he had going for him was the Taijutsu thing....I don't know, I'm bad at analysis...

TL;DR: I feel like Lee has a better personality and story-line than Sakura's, but Sakura's story-line is just more developed. Sakura has a deep and emotional personality, and her story-line as the girl bullied as a child and abandoned by the one she loved, made her a very interesting character with a lot of potential. But Lee's personality was a little more unique; it's a little reminiscent of the typical Shonen main protag' personality, but overall Lee is a lot more humble, competitive, compassionate, and tenacious then a lot of similar characters. His story-line as the kid who had to work extra hard to keep up in a world where he was born less capable than everyone else, made him a very interesting character with an extreme amount of potential. I mean, there's an entire anime with that exact premise called the Black Clover.

Bullied -

Sakura: bullied for her big forehead
Lee: bullied for not being able to use Ninjutsu or Genjutsu, which everyone else could.

Rivalry -

Sakura: Rivaled with Ino over a lot of things, most notably Sasuke.
Lee: Rivaled with Neji due to conflicting philosophical ideology, contrasting talent with hard work.

Talent -

Sakura: Genius at Medic Ninjutsu, amongst other things
Lee: Genius at Taijutsu

Teammate loss -

Sakura: Loss Sasuke, got him back eventually.
Lee: Neji dead.

Motivations -

Sakura: Become strong enough that she doesn't have to depend on anyone
Lee: Become strong enough to prove the world wrong...

What do you guys think?
 
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Live Ass Bait.
On-topic: Which character do you think is better, from a narrative standpoint?

Off-topic:
This is nothing like that. I've done two similar threads before, and I will continue doing them. They've actually been pretty constructive, so I'd appreciate if we didn't start anything here. This isn't supposed to be about who's whose favorite character, but rather which character is better from an objective standpoint :coffee:
 

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On-topic: Which character do you think is better, from a narrative standpoint?

Off-topic:
This is nothing like that. I've done two similar threads before, and I will continue doing them. They've actually been pretty constructive, so I'd appreciate if we didn't start anything here. This isn't supposed to be about who's whose favorite character, but rather which character is better from an objective standpoint :coffee:
Whatever character you like.

The bait is still very live. :elmo:
 

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Whatever character you like.

The bait is still very live. :elmo:
I'm not trying to bait anyone. I hope you don't mind if I have this thread deleted and reposted so I can get more serious conversations...

Edit: Never mind, there aren't even any mods on :kk:
 
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Lee is much better. Sakura's issues were just too superficial for me to really care about them or empathize with her. Some stuff was even her own fault.

For example, when she was a kid she temporarily ended her friendship with Ino (the one person who stood up for her against the bullies) because they both liked Sasuke (solely because of looks mind you). That's so stupid and superficial.

Lost the one she loved, you say? Well, I could care more about that if Sakura and Sasuke were shown to actually have a real relationship/friendship that would actually lead to legitimate love between the two. However, Sakura's "love" was just based on looks!

I don't feel like going on a rant.

I'll just say this: Lee's story at least has substance to it.
 
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Lee is much better. Sakura's issues were just too superficial for me to really care about them or empathize with her. Some stuff was even her own fault.

For example, when she was a kid she temporarily ended her friendship with Ino (the one person who stood up for her against the bullies) because they both liked Sasuke (solely because of looks mind you). That's so stupid and superficial.

Lost the one she loved, you say? Well, I could care more about that if Sakura and Sasuke were shown to actually have a real relationship/friendship that would actually lead to legitimate love between the two. However, Sakura's "love" was just based on looks!

I don't feel like going on a rant.

I'll just say this: Lee's story at least has substance to it.
Thanks for the serious reply!
 

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I'm not trying to bait anyone. I hope you don't mind if I have this thread deleted and reposted so I can get more serious conversations...

Edit: Never mind, there aren't even any mods on :kk:
Nah it’s bait but I think Lee is clearly the better character.

Common sense or in other words BAIT!
 

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Nah it’s bait but I think Lee is clearly the better character.

Common sense or in other words BAIT!
être la honte de.

It's because of people like you that we can't have anything nice. Stop with the baseless assumptions and stick to the subject at hand, because otherwise you're acting like a child :coffee:

OT: I have to agree that Lee is the better character, without considering his worth or impact on the story overall. Not to say that Sakura is a bad character, but I find Lee much more interesting.
 

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être la honte de.

It's because of people like you that we can't have anything nice. Stop with the baseless assumptions and stick to the subject at hand, because otherwise you're acting like a child :coffee:

OT: I have to agree that Lee is the better character, without considering his worth or impact on the story overall. Not to say that Sakura is a bad character, but I find Lee much more interesting.
There is no baseless assumptions.. Sakura is the most underwritten, underdeveloped, irrelevant and neglected
main character in any manga I’ve come across debatablly. The series is almost 20 years old kid, so if you were unable to determine that Lee is the better charceter in that 20 year time span either your reading comprehension skills are nonexistent or your baiting by asking if she is or not. On top of that, the NB history.. this type of discussion reguarding Sakura’s character has been made a million times over again. And move around with your labels please, there are even more people who take this kind of bait and turn it too a bashing fest and unfair critisms most of the time. I’m surprised a mod hasn’t taken this thread down or even closed it.

The children are the ones who say stupid shit like Sakura is fodder or useless or dumber shit like, her genes are fodder or the ones who labeled Sarada a Sakura 2.0 after 3 chapters lmao..

(Edit) I never said I disagreed with op or that she didn’t have a point.
 
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There is no baseless assumptions.. Sakura is the most underwritten, underdeveloped, irrelevant and neglected
main character in any manga I’ve come across debatablly. The series is almost 20 years old kid, so if you were unable to determine that Lee is the better charceter in that 20 year time span either your reading comprehension skills are nonexistent or your baiting by asking if she is or not. On top of that, the NB history.. this type of discussion reguarding Sakura’s character has been made a million times over again. And move around with your labels please, there are even more people who take this kind of bait and turn it too a bashing fest and unfair critisms most of the time. I’m surprised a mod hasn’t taken this thread down or even closed it.

The children are the ones who say stupid shit like Sakura is fodder or useless or dumber shit like, her genes are fodder or the ones who labeled Sarada a Sakura 2.0 after 3 chapters lmao..

(Edit) I never said I disagreed with op or that she didn’t have a point.
Dégoûtant.

Sakura is one of the leading main protagonists in the show, with a fair amount of development and an interesting background. Regardless of how more or less neglected and underwritten she has been, she still has a tangible plot and personality, which is all the purpose of this thread requires. If millions of threads like this have already been made, then you honestly have no room to complain, because aside from your needless banter there have been actual mature and productive responses to this thread. If threads like these turn into character bashing, it's only because of people like you fueling the fires and maintaining low standards for these sort of discussions. I'm baffled, because I've actually checked into the other two threads and there hasn't been a single argument, but it took you coming to the wrong place at the right time to start a debate. It seems to me like you're the common denominator. And to go as far as to impugn the literacy of the person who made this thread simply because they wanted to compare and contrast characters is honestly appalling, considering you've consistently misspelled words and have tenaciously outdone your own idiocy. If you're going to try and excuse your ignorance, at least come up with more valid reasons. Otherwise, your insufferable attitude and questionable preconceived notions can leave this thread, because you aren't needed here.​
 

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Dégoûtant.

Sakura is one of the leading main protagonists in the show, with a fair amount of development and an interesting background. Regardless of how more or less neglected and underwritten she has been, she still has a tangible plot and personality, which is all the purpose of this thread requires. If millions of threads like this have already been made, then you honestly have no room to complain, because aside from your needless banter there have been actual mature and productive responses to this thread. If threads like these turn into character bashing, it's only because of people like you fueling the fires and maintaining low standards for these sort of discussions. I'm baffled, because I've actually checked into the other two threads and there hasn't been a single argument, but it took you coming to the wrong place at the right time to start a debate. It seems to me like you're the common denominator. And to go as far as to impugn the literacy of the person who made this thread simply because they wanted to compare and contrast characters is honestly appalling, considering you've consistently misspelled words and have tenaciously outdone your own idiocy. If you're going to try and excuse your ignorance, at least come up with more valid reasons. Otherwise, your insufferable attitude and questionable preconceived notions can leave this thread, because you aren't needed here.​
Nah.. there is a sick thing as a dumb question and if it took you the entire series to figure out Lee>Sakura then you’re the ignorant one.

But I’m done.. you can have the last word if you need it.
 

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Nah.. there is a sick thing as a dumb question and if it took you the entire series to figure out Lee>Sakura then you’re the ignorant one.

But I’m done.. you can have the last word if you need it.
Très Tragique

So this is what Naruto Base has turned into? No wonder I never step foot outside the Versus Colosseum :coffee:
 

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You'd have to be an idiot to argue for Sakura, Lee is arguably top 5 in the best written characters in Naruto. There's a reason why even non-Naruto fans like the Lee vs Gaara fight.
 
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