Sakura VS Hinata

[believe7]

You had me with then you lost me. I know a fair amount of martial arts study (as much as 10 years, well more like 6 years since I didn't actual read anything when I younger, just practiced and heard bits and peices) and you had me with you for most of this. I would go on to argue a couple things with this but what I'm here to do is defend Hinata and (no offense) tear down this argument as best I can.

1) Starting with your *Jyuuken* and first bolded. It's the name of the actual fighting style of taijutsu "Gentle fist" yes but it is the fighting style of ALL members of the Hyuuga clan, it is even labled as part of their kekkei genkai. It is not for advanced Hyuuga but all, and to say that Hinata isn't advanced in that style is a lie. She has been mentioned and seen to be on a level nearing Neji, who is said to be the most gifted in the whole Hyuuga clan. She was said by Hiyashi I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) to be able to protect Neji just as he once protected her (the whole branch family protection thing). It is safe to say, that coming from the main house of the Hyuugas (which I also include Neji because how Hinata, and Hanabi are both part of the main house, while Hiyashi and Hizashi weren't confuses me so I put them all in the same general bloodline) She has perhaps some of the strongest eyes and the strongest taijutsu in her clan (Not better then Hiyashi, Neji, and I'm not sure on her little sister since we haven't seen her in a while)

Now I'm going to skip the little lecture you gave on martial arts because, frankly it has nothing to do with Hinata's taijutsu's relivence until the end, which is where I'm going with this.

2) I'm focusing on that huge chunk at the bottom. Now...by your logic of saying that Jyuuken, isn't real...you're implying that Sakura...could beat Naruto, Madara, and defeated anybody who uses ninjutsu because I'm sure the Kyuubi, Space time manipulation, and manipulating the elements through a few wave of the hands isn't...real. If you haven't noticed my friend this is a manga, almost (and I'm pushing it here by saying that) nothing is real, some may not even find one real aspect in here. In 16th century when shinobi were supposedly from in their prime, they never fought large scale wars. The simply handled small tasks, in small units, given to them by the Shogun, individual daimyou, or anybody who had means of paying for their survices. These tasksed usually assassination, sabotage, and espionage. This whole war isn't real. That little peice by saying Jyuuken isn't real is knocked out as a valid argument in this conversation. Now again I go back to saying that Jyuuken isn't for advanced, but ALL Hyuuga and carriers of the Byakugan, Hinata is indeed advanced, or at least very skillful in her clan's, famed combat. Also for the last time, a teacher determine the skill of the student, only the student does. This one's for you Frozenstein...You can be taught by the Sage of 6 Paths and still be ass. It's all what you take from them, and how well you can apply their teachings, and your dedication and skill level. If being trained by a Sannin was hella important, Sakura should be on par with her teammates Sasuke and Naruto and be able to blow most every shinobi out of the water, which, neither Sakura nor Hinata can do.

My position still stands, Hinata>Sakura



I'm going for the vitals of your argument where you're placing more emphisis on Sakura's abilities.

1) Sakura has more knowledge of the body...that can be said surgically, she is a medic, now in a battle, the only knolwedge that would help you about the body is vitals such as organs, veins, arteries, etc...Hyuuga specialize in attacking not just chakra points but the body's organs and veins and vitals as well. To say Sakura has more knowledge in the body is fair but it can't be said for the battle feild as Hyuugas has specialized in attacking the body's weak points such as the vitals. Their fighting would be useless if they didn't attack something, that burst of chakra they emit, attacks the nervous system, chakra ciruletory system, and it takes study, not always in medical training, but in combat. Hinata=Sakura on battle knowledge of the body. Now for experience, regardless Hinata>Sakura how??? 16 years of Jyuuken>3 years of Sannin training (IMO) if you want you can say Hinata=Sakura in experience. Sakura has more experience in on the oporating table, not battle, she's only specialized in battle fairly recently maybe some months or a year after training with Tsunade.

2) Yes she is an amazing healer but chakra is needed for that and for her strength. I know you may here this a lot but Hinata has the ability to kill in one shot, as well as cut off the circulation of chakra in a single shot as well. Sakura has the ability to kill in a single shot If she has her devastating power. Now with both being close ranged fighters, and having about the same speed, but Hinata having some more flexibility then Sakura, it can be safe to assume that Hinata could pull of a hit, that maybe wasn't fatal but haulted her flow of chakra, or hindered her in some way to prevent her from fighting. People emphisize this because Sakura has no such ability to cut off an opponents flow of chakra (unless you count some sort of poision, which we've never seen poision able to do so seeing as both Chiyo and Sasori were poision masters and yet could't stop Sakura's healing method). Hinata has that over Sakura. Now with that strength and medical prowess gone (assuming Hinata pulls off a hit which is a high posssibility), Sakura's stamina, and endurance would be nullifiyed.

You really went over board when u said that the Hyuuga clan hits vital spots or vital organs lol. There eyes allows them to see the chakara points and the flow of chakara in a human body not vital organs. Sakura of course knows every chakara point in a human body as well because she is a medical ninja and u also made a statement saying that hinata can " cut off the circulation of chakra in a single shot as well"that statement is also foolish. The 64 palms is an technique that hit 64 chakara points allowing that shinobi to be immobilized and paralyzed in the spot but here is the trick to it u have to hit 64 chakara points now if hinata came close to sakura and started hitting her chakara points in her upper body sakura can use the her legs to counter hinata fast movements. It all depends on where hinata hit first cause sakura dont need her hands to heal at all and she learn that from the best there is the fifth hokage. Thirdly sakura is not only a closed range fighter she is also a mid-range fighter because she can make earthquakes by hitting the ground and also lift heavy objects and toss it with her human strength. And I know sakura would not allowed hinata to come close to her either because her fissures can trip a shinobi causing them to go off ballance . Even if hinata jumps in the air it is stated that in the air u cannot really dodge moves and only person can dodge moves in the air is naruto because he used a shadow clone to move his body in a direction he wants it but we all know hinata dont use shadow clones. Hinata is a close range fighter meaning she needs to come close to hit u but sakura is mid-range so she can hit u from mid range with her earthquakes and fissures. Overall hinata won't be able to hit sakura easily and if she manage to hit some of her chakara points the fifth hokage student would be able to heal herself cause that what a healer does

 

[Frozenstein]

your right it is fan made and also edittable but mod only accept accurate entries and delete false one i believe. ill search the quote in the manga if you want?

if you find that part in the manga, yes vm me because i won't be home for a while. and you should read that post too. it's worth that few minutes.

 

[Shisuisama]

Thought you didn't read it hommie, if you're not going to argue back with logic it will lead to people callin you a fanboy with a one tracked mind, at least attempt to argue back with something valid, it's no fun when people ain't even trying.

ok you are clearly on another debating lvl then i but im eger beaver to try again. in few words why do you think hinata with quotes stating facts from the manga as proof please would win

 

[Reborn]

im 11yrs old i don't understand half the things you just said. you may have had a point in there but for heaven sakes its not a esay on the subject

I'm not here for easy I'm here to have a debate. Honestly I feel if you're on this site and you've kept up with the series, that shouldn't be too hard to understand, even for an 11year old. It's not physics, or calculus or anything like that, it's reading and anyalizing the manga. That's what you're supposed to do when you read anything, anylize it to get the bigger picture.

For example, notice the Hokage Mountain, looks like Mt. Rushmore, one could figure that out rather easily. Idk maybe it's the way I was taught, don't just read something, read into it, and read through it.

 

[Shisuisama]

I'm not here for easy I'm here to have a debate. Honestly I feel if you're on this site and you've kept up with the series, that shouldn't be too hard to understand, even for an 11year old. It's not physics, or calculus or anything like that, it's reading and anyalizing the manga. That's what you're supposed to do when you read anything, anylize it to get the bigger picture.

For example, notice the Hokage Mountain, looks like Mt. Rushmore, one could figure that out rather easily. Idk maybe it's the way I was taught, don't just read something, read into it, and read through it.

i understand what you mean but the way you explain things is far beyond my learning capabilities for my age lol you explain things in so much detail its overwhelming lol you sound like my history teacher. apology for my other comment.

 

[Reborn]

You really went over board when u said that the Hyuuga clan hits vital spots or vital organs lol. There eyes allows them to see the chakara points and the flow of chakara in a human body not vital organs. Sakura of course knows every chakara point in a human body as well because she is a medical ninja and u also made a statement saying that hinata can " cut off the circulation of chakra in a single shot as well"that statement is also foolish. The 64 palms is an technique that hit 64 chakara points allowing that shinobi to be immobilized and paralyzed in the spot but here is the trick to it u have to hit 64 chakara points now if hinata came close to sakura and started hitting her chakara points in her upper body sakura can use the her legs to counter hinata fast movements. It all depends on where hinata hit first cause sakura dont need her hands to heal at all and she learn that from the best there is the fifth hokage. Thirdly sakura is not only a closed range fighter she is also a mid-range fighter because she can make earthquakes by hitting the ground and also lift heavy objects and toss it with her human strength. And I know sakura would not allowed hinata to come close to her either because her fissures can trip a shinobi causing them to go off ballance . Even if hinata jumps in the air it is stated that in the air u cannot really dodge moves and only person can dodge moves in the air is naruto because he used a shadow clone to move his body in a direction he wants it but we all know hinata dont use shadow clones. Hinata is a close range fighter meaning she needs to come close to hit u but sakura is mid-range so she can hit u from mid range with her earthquakes and fissures. Overall hinata won't be able to hit sakura easily and if she manage to hit some of her chakara points the fifth hokage student would be able to heal herself cause that what a healer does

First point, everybody knows where their kidneys, heart, lungs, liver, are and they know the skeletol structure and where basic vital pressure points are on their body, at least by the age of 16 you should. Any shinobi can attack those and with the why Hyuugas fight they could kill their opponent in the same way the would attack the chakra points. The chakra points are all close to your vital, hitting them with gentle fist would essecially cause other vitals to be hit in the process (as stated, go back to the original series). The burst of chakra strikes a fair range inside the body.

Sakura can know the chakra points in the body, but she doesn't have the vision and pinpoint accuracy to hit them in battle, and they're affected by chakra not by much else (at least that's what's been implied) and the point for Hyuuga's hitting them isn't just for haulting the flow of chakra, but to hit the vitals that are around them. Sakura has no such tallent

If they can't cut off the cirulation in one shot then explain how Neji did it to Hinata without the use of Eight Trigrams Palm?

There are chakra points all over your body, not just upper, and Hinata being baring a defensive style fighter could defend/evade. Not to mention her flexibilty. Oh and I'm sure while getting hit, Sakura's not going to be doing much except defending, especially against a deadly style like the gentle fist.

Check the manga, Hinata has mid ranged jutsu as well.

Hinata's mid ranged attack(s) could repell objects big enough, projectiles could be countered, and Sasuke managed to flip past Bee's attack in the air. That was a general assumption made that evading is impossible to do in the air, but it's possible. You're making scinerios where you've planned out Sakura's moves almost play by play, assuming she is going to do this and that when we don't know how the battle is going to go. Sakura is going to need more then just throwing rocks and stones to deal with Hinata.

As I've said once before, if you can't mould your chakra you can't heal yourself, it won't be easy for Sakura to hit Hinata either, but if Hinata does hit her, assuming that both know everything about each others fighting styles, she's going to cut off the ciruclation fast, nullifying strength and medical ninjutsu, leaving her with a pale version of Gai and Lee's taijutsu style.

ok you are clearly on another debating lvl then i but im eger beaver to try again. in few words why do you think hinata with quotes stating facts from the manga as proof please would win

Now hold up, I'm all for arguments with things off the top of my head but I'm not going to spend hella long writting and defending something like this by going back and looking up quotes.

As for what I can remember of the top of my head Gai said that Gentle fist was superior to his and Lee's fighting style. That's the most detail I can remember from all the way back then.

 

[Shisuisama]

@ reborn...so you telling me all hyuugas are the same in there taijutsu?

 

[c3D4]

Hinata would stop sakuras chakra flow and game over

 

[Reborn]

i understand what you mean but the way you explain things is far beyond my learning capabilities for my age lol you explain things in so much detail its overwhelming lol you sound like my history teacher. apology for my other comment.

No problem, and I do admit that I do write a lot. I'm nearing the transition from high school to college, and I've written multi-paged esseys since I was 8years old, and I'm an advanced english student, where my teachers comment on my in depth detail and descriptive writting style.

I only know my history on certain things, I mean I passed history last year with an A but that's not saying much (just tests, and essays in that class)

Anyway I have no intentions of being a teacher...I have a low tollerence level for kids and teenagers. I see how I used to act in school and how I still do act and school and I'm like "Damn look how bad I am...I could never teach somebody like me, and I'm one of the good one's I'd end ups stranggling this mother F***ers" xd and the truth is I probably would, even somebody like me.

I'm mad that Catholic nun teachers got to beat the kids but you never here about preists except for the...well I'm not going to say anything more, but it's not right they get to have all the fun.

I'll keep my arguments breifer so we're on the same level

 

[Reborn]

@ reborn...so you telling me all hyuugas are the same in there taijutsu?

Not the actual fighter but the style itself. Shit Neji can't beat Gai (IMO) but the fighting style of the Hyuugas itself was mentioned to be more affective because it attacks on an internal level and doesn't require mass physical training, and force to preform, and it doesn't exhaust the body as much (until you get into actual techniques like Eight Trigrams Palm, Empty Palm, etc...).

However I would say that Hinata has passed where Neji was three years ago, meaning if 16 year old Hinata fought 13 year old Neji she would win (IMO) and Neji was a monster back then (to some extent, chuunin level, but she is a chuunin so that's a mood point). It was also stated in the manga by Hiyashi I believe that Hinata was capable of protecting Neji and in the manga you can see how they were able to work together.

 

[haroon9]

i vote henata cuz of her courage againist pain

 

[Shisuisama]

No problem, and I do admit that I do write a lot. I'm nearing the transition from high school to college, and I've written multi-paged esseys since I was 8years old, and I'm an advanced english student, where my teachers comment on my in depth detail and descriptive writting style.

I only know my history on certain things, I mean I passed history last year with an A but that's not saying much (just tests, and essays in that class)

Anyway I have no intentions of being a teacher...I have a low tollerence level for kids and teenagers. I see how I used to act in school and how I still do act and school and I'm like "Damn look how bad I am...I could never teach somebody like me, and I'm one of the good one's I'd end ups stranggling this mother F***ers" xd and the truth is I probably would, even somebody like me.

I'm mad that Catholic nun teachers got to beat the kids but you never here about preists except for the...well I'm not going to say anything more, but it's not right they get to have all the fun.

I'll keep my arguments breifer so we're on the same level

amen to that lol ok back to debate hinata can no doubt block chakra points but only 32 points out off 361 right?

 

[Reborn]

amen to that lol ok back to debate hinata can no doubt block chakra points but only 32 points out off 361 right?

Yes she can, so far that was only in a filler but I believe that the Three Tails Arc, was close enough to the Cannon to be considered credible, as for the others

-Part 1 filler Hinata was shown to use chakra needles, and projection 64 palms
-In Shippuden Movie (forgot which one) she used Eight Trigrams 64 palms

However I do count the first bullet as a credible ability, I don't for the movie, however those were to show Hinata's abilities in her fighting style to show her prowess as a fighter, more so then the techniques she can use.

 

[Shisuisama]

Not the actual fighter but the style itself. Shit Neji can't beat Gai (IMO) but the fighting style of the Hyuugas itself was mentioned to be more affective because it attacks on an internal level and doesn't require mass physical training, and force to preform, and it doesn't exhaust the body as much (until you get into actual techniques like Eight Trigrams Palm, Empty Palm, etc...).

However I would say that Hinata has passed where Neji was three years ago, meaning if 16 year old Hinata fought 13 year old Neji she would win (IMO) and Neji was a monster back then (to some extent, chuunin level, but she is a chuunin so that's a mood point). It was also stated in the manga by Hiyashi I believe that Hinata was capable of protecting Neji and in the manga you can see how they were able to work together.

i would also say she would take out neji if he was 13. and they compliment each other imo because if there eyes and fighting style. im just a bit confused where her one hit kill move comes from?

 

[coolcomfort]

sakura = crying ****
no skill no power no anything

 

[Reborn]

i would also say she would take out neji if he was 13. and they compliment each other imo because if there eyes and fighting style. im just a bit confused where her one hit kill move comes from?

The chakra points (which can be seen by the Byakugan) are vissable to Hinata and all those from the Hyuuga clan. It has been stated that the chakra points are closely intertwined with the organs and vitals of a person's body. The burst of chakra released from the palm in the gentle fist style don't just attack the chakra points but the organs and vitals around it.

Chakra makes up for the lack of/unnecissary force of an actual strike for the Hyuugas. Think of it like a direct surge of energy right into the vitals of your opponent, the energy is a short burst of energy (like how a punch is supposed to be in martial arts, quick and explosive) and the impact causes shock.

Now the most common one-hit-kill, and probably the most affective is to attack, using the gentle fist style, the chakra points that near the heart, the chakra will hit the heart directly like a solid punch to their system, not only affecting chakra points but the heart as well. Evidence

-Neji sending Hinata into cardiac arrest (a heat attack basicall) from striking in that area
-Hiyashi striking the Kumo-nin in the heart when he attempted to kidnap Hinata at age 3, that cause him to drop instantly

 

[Shisuisama]

The chakra points (which can be seen by the Byakugan) are vissable to Hinata and all those from the Hyuuga clan. It has been stated that the chakra points are closely intertwined with the organs and vitals of a person's body. The burst of chakra released from the palm in the gentle fist style don't just attack the chakra points but the organs and vitals around it.

Chakra makes up for the lack of/unnecissary force of an actual strike for the Hyuugas. Think of it like a direct surge of energy right into the vitals of your opponent, the energy is a short burst of energy (like how a punch is supposed to be in martial arts, quick and explosive) and the impact causes shock.

Now the most common one-hit-kill, and probably the most affective is to attack, using the gentle fist style, the chakra points that near the heart, the chakra will hit the heart directly like a solid punch to their system, not only affecting chakra points but the heart as well. Evidence

-Neji sending Hinata into cardiac arrest (a heat attack basicall) from striking in that area
-Hiyashi striking the Kumo-nin in the heart when he attempted to kidnap Hinata at age 3, that cause him to drop instantly

yeah I've read that. but it really doesn't say she could do that. only noted ones was hiashi and neji

 

[Reborn]

yeah I've read the. but it really doesn't say she could do that.

The attack itself is basic. If you are knowlegable in gentle fist you have the ability to do that. Simply strike the chest cavity where the heart is and it's a wrap. If you wanted to make sure that it would kill, she'd use Gentle step: Twin lion fist, that, I believe, would explode the heart (not really explode it but cause an extreamly heavy shock). It's overkill but it's a definate kill in the right spot.

 

[Gitanshu]

hinata

 

[Shisuisama]

The attack itself is basic. If you are knowlegable in gentle fist you have the ability to do that. Simply strike the chest cavity where the heart is and it's a wrap. If you wanted to make sure that it would kill, she'd use Gentle step: Twin lion fist, that, I believe, would explode the heart (not really explode it but cause an extreamly heavy shock). It's overkill but it's a definate kill in the right spot.

ive seen her jutsus but none of them actually correspond with the actual technique. her twin lion fist are moulded chakra not thin sliced chakra threads. she not yet at the lvl if neji and hiashi, and her twin lions purpose imo is just for full close range combat for maximum power.