Sakura is one of my favorite characters after this chapter

[Erin]

Ninjas who have improved greatly from scratch are Rock Lee and Sakura.
Those who implied Hinata, Danzo, or any other character other than Rock Lee or TenTen have poor argument.
Hinata is part of a clan and was born with Kekkei genkai. Though she was considered weak in the beginning, she still had something she can develop to become stronger. Sakura and Lee had nothing and had to find their own strength on their own.
Danzo had all those Sharingans implanted on him.

People saying that Sakura received training from Tsunade also have poor argument.
Yes, Sakura was trained under Tsunade but so was Shizune. A teacher's best ability is to teach but the strength and determination to succeed the master is all in the will of the decipel.

Sakura Haruno had nothing special. She didn't come from a special clan that has a bloodline of a certain jutsu nor did she have Kekkei genkai that she can develop and strengthen through out time. She studied for her intelligence and worked to increase her ability to control/mold chakra.

Sakura
Lee
Minato
Konohamaru
Gai
Asuma
Ten Ten
Kiba?

I think.

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

You're one of the reasons I joined this site.. because of your idiotic comments. True Naruto was given Kurama but did it do him any good? No it held him back plus he had to put his life on the line to master it by fighting Kurama himself. Naruto wasn't given anything that he didn't have to train or master for.

Let's not get crazy here.Kurama is the only reason Naruto is alive.Without Kurama, Haku would have killed Naruto.Without Kurama, Naruto couldn't have summon Gamabunta in part one, which would have resulted in Gaara killing Naruto.Kurama even begged Sasuke not to killed Naruto when Sasuke used his Sharingan to enter naruto's inner world.As for putting his life on the line fighting Kurama to master KCM, you do understand that Kushina protected Naruto during that fighting.If it wasn't for Kushina, Naruto would have turn into the Nine tails and would have been seal inside that room forever.Not only that, she held down Kurama allowing naruto to attack him without worrying about Kurama countering.Having your mommy hold down your opponent as you plummet him mercilessly isn't working for something or mastering it.Only thing I can say naruto earn on his own is Sage Mode.Naruto really earn Sage Mode through training, but KCM was a gift and so was BM after that.

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

'Distance makes the heart grow fonder' ..... Kishi may be setting up big thing for Team Gai as Neji himself was part that team....

While Sakura has indeed been impressive recently and deserves her well earned applause, but none the less her power ups was a bit rushed and badly timed. For a simple comparison: Imagine Naruto suddenly appearing with SM on the battle field without all the training and hardships shown ...... Wont that appear rushed?

Also you guys are spitting on the hard work of other K11 ......

1. Sasuke managed to mastered the great fireball jutsu (A justsu that marks Uchiha adulthood) at the age of 6-8 before he awoke sharingan. Not to mention he manged to train himself well enough to reach base Lee's speed on a short term's basis in only 1 month.... he can copy techniques but can he copy speed or physical fitness? Dont say he isnt a hard worker.

2. Yes Naruto had a Kurama, but until recently Kuru was a monster which was continuously trying to claw its way of Naruto or corrupt his thought and required a significant amount of Naruto's chakra to suppress all the while ruining his chakra control. U have to admire how he didnt give in to the hate.... Plus did naruto use clones to master SM and all related techs? No he mastered it on his own despite the lil fox inside him disturbing him.

3. Rock Lee .... nuff said. But then again: He cant mould chakra properly yet he was one of the best in Chunin exam.... it may not be shown yet... but he may be even stronger now.

4. Neji: Yeah he was born with Byakugan but he was born to Branch family curse too ..... no one taught him 64 palms or rotation which are techniques passed down the main bloodline.... but yet he developed them on his own at 12 year old age.

5. Ino: Totally overlooked but can u imagine the amount of chakra control it takes to connect the mind of the entire Shinobi alliance?

6. Kiba, Shikamaru, Chouji: Yeah they have clan specialty but those techniques are learned abilities not immediate freebies .....

7. Hinata, Shino: They had it easier but Shino too is talented and Hinata is a hard worker too despite her failures.

Lee is easily going to have a large role...he's probably going to be the one who clears the path for Naruto to move out...probably going 7th Gate with Gai Sensei.....and this will likely be followed by Lee being out, and Gai going 8th gate to save him....anyways to add to these points!

You pretty much nailed Naruto, Sasuke, and I already did Lee lol.

Neji: Remember that Neji managed to aquire the 64 palms as well as rotation ON HIS OWN. Not only that, but these are techniques he should never really have been able to learn. He also managed this any consequences of the Curse Mark.

Ino: Remember how her dad was basically bleeding from his total shinobi transmission? The only thing Ino had was a strained blood vessel.....it would have taken immense training. Don't forget that she also worked on some medical ninjutsu with Sakura.

Kiba, Shikamaru, and Choji: Pretty much use clan abilities, but Kiba did learn the Kage bunshin...which means he has worked up a good bit of stamina and chakra....and took a nice walk to the Hokage mansion ;D. Shikamaru obviously continued to work more on team deployment...he mentioned this as Formation E meaning he had to design formations A, B, C, and D....Choji...obviously had some serious training as he will apparantly be the next head of the Akimichi.

Shino: He is basically never shown, but he deffinatly had to build up his strategies. He is poor in Taijutsu, and so he has to work to find ways of surrounding or getting ambush punches on enemies.

Hinata: While she had the gift of eyes...she was basically shit with them. Add on her gentle personality and honestly as Neji said she shouldn't have been a shinobi. Yet she has managed to get to the point where she knows at least the 64 palms and Twin Lion Fists which is her own technique. On top of that, she had to initially do so while trying her best and still failing as well as being neglected by her own family.


Sakura isn't alone in the hard workers department, but yes she deffinatly had to work hard!

 

[AnimeFanGirl4Eva]

'Distance makes the heart grow fonder' ..... Kishi may be setting up big thing for Team Gai as Neji himself was part that team....

While Sakura has indeed been impressive recently and deserves her well earned applause, but none the less her power ups was a bit rushed and badly timed. For a simple comparison: Imagine Naruto suddenly appearing with SM on the battle field without all the training and hardships shown ...... Wont that appear rushed?

Also you guys are spitting on the hard work of other K11 ......

1. Sasuke managed to mastered the great fireball jutsu (A justsu that marks Uchiha adulthood) at the age of 6-8 before he awoke sharingan. Not to mention he manged to train himself well enough to reach base Lee's speed on a short term's basis in only 1 month.... he can copy techniques but can he copy speed or physical fitness? Dont say he isnt a hard worker.

2. Yes Naruto had a Kurama, but until recently Kuru was a monster which was continuously trying to claw its way of Naruto or corrupt his thought and required a significant amount of Naruto's chakra to suppress all the while ruining his chakra control. U have to admire how he didnt give in to the hate.... Plus did naruto use clones to master SM and all related techs? No he mastered it on his own despite the lil fox inside him disturbing him.

3. Rock Lee .... nuff said. But then again: He cant mould chakra properly yet he was one of the best in Chunin exam.... it may not be shown yet... but he may be even stronger now.

4. Neji: Yeah he was born with Byakugan but he was born to Branch family curse too ..... no one taught him 64 palms or rotation which are techniques passed down the main bloodline.... but yet he developed them on his own at 12 year old age.

5. Ino: Totally overlooked but can u imagine the amount of chakra control it takes to connect the mind of the entire Shinobi alliance?

6. Kiba, Shikamaru, Chouji: Yeah they have clan specialty but those techniques are learned abilities not immediate freebies .....

7. Hinata, Shino: They had it easier but Shino too is talented and Hinata is a hard worker too despite her failures.

Agreed x3 I hope lee and ten ten come back soon!

 

[thatsAslap7]

Sakura
Lee
Minato
Konohamaru
Gai
Asuma
Ten Ten
Kiba?

I think.

Sakura : Clearly, this thread is about her.
Lee: I noted Lee that line you bolded.
Minato: I'll give you this one. He was highly intelligent for mastering his own jutsus.
Konohamaru: Sarutobi Clan.
Gai: We don't know about him since he was introduced with having the Eight Gates and other Tai jutsus mastered already.
Asuma: Sarutobi Clan.
TenTen: Noted her as well.
Kiba: Inuzuka clan.

I have mentioned that clans have a bloodline of special jutsus and techniques.

 

[Erin]

Sakura : Clearly, this thread is about her.
Lee: I noted Lee that line you bolded.
Minato: I'll give you this one. He was highly intelligent for mastering his own jutsus.
Konohamaru: Sarutobi Clan.
Gai: We don't know about him since he was introduced with having the Eight Gates and other Tai jutsus mastered already.
Asuma: Sarutobi Clan.
TenTen: Noted her as well.
Kiba: Inuzuka clan.

I have mentioned that clans have a bloodline of special jutsus and techniques.

I'll give you asuma, but I think konohamaru should count, he doesn't use any sarutobi special jutsus, he trained hard and learned naruto's.

Also, I would add jiraiya and orochimaru.

 

[thatsAslap7]

I'll give you asuma, but I think konohamaru should count, he doesn't use any sarutobi special jutsus, he trained hard and learned naruto's.

Also, I would add jiraiya and orochimaru.

You must remember that Konohamaru is still young. He'll develop his clan's specialty in time. We don't know too much about Jiraiya and Orochimaru for you to consider them. They do hold the ability to summon and seal. Jiraiya was able to perform a summoning that transported him to Mount Myōboku, the residence of the Toads. He's basically the founder and is a Toad Sage. Orochimaru was introduced as a creepy child.

 

[Fuzzy Panda]

The thing you said about the shadow clones isn't valid. It's actually a really smart and effective way to master a skill. If you are skilled enough to use a shadow clone to that extent and you are willing to work your ass off for almost 24 hours straight then I think you should be able to master a mother flipping wind type

 

[minatoisagod]

well if she's your fave character ain't nothing wrong with that. for the sake of argument why would anyone care about any of that though she will still be hated and didn't shine when it really mattered. Still your are right about those things though

 

[Honord Sage]

The Manga is call Naruto the Hero is Naruto the story is Naruto be content with Sakura just being their.

 

[KingHashirama]

You're one of the reasons I joined this site.. because of your idiotic comments. True Naruto was given Kurama but did it do him any good? No it held him back plus he had to put his life on the line to master it by fighting Kurama himself. Naruto wasn't given anything that he didn't have to train or master for.

So i'm one of the reasons your joined the site? well your welcome. =D

Kurama hasn't done him any good? are you high?

Against Haku who saved Naruto's life?

Who saved his life against Sasuke?

Who saved his life against Gaara?

Who saved his life against Neji?

Now if you have the knowledge to answer those questions, the answer would be : Kurama.

And your still not canceling the fact that Naruto was GIVEN KURAMA..... Did I say he was given its power? no. I said he was given kurama. Please do read my posts before trying to insult someone.

 

[Murasame]

So i'm one of the reasons your joined the site? well your welcome. =D

Kurama hasn't done him any good? are you high?

Against Haku who saved Naruto's life?

Who saved his life against Sasuke?

Who saved his life against Gaara?

Who saved his life against Neji?

Now if you have the knowledge to answer those questions, the answer would be : Kurama.

And your still not canceling the fact that Naruto was GIVEN KURAMA..... Did I say he was given its power? no. I said he was given kurama. Please do read my posts before trying to insult someone.

Haha yup ONE of the reasons
Yeah its true it saved him a few times but it held him back with chakra control.. he progressed slower than other students at the academy plus he also lost his parents. If his parents were alive he would learn the Uzumaki sealing jutsus, FTG, Sage Mode, Rasengan and all it's variants, FRS, Summoning jutsu, shadow clone and possibly more. He would still be powerful although not as much as he is now but I think above minato, jiraiya, itachi, and maybe even Nagato.
Also if I remember correctly Haku wasn't really trying to kill them anyways.
Sasuke was given a more stronger curse mark otherwise he wouldn't be able to compete with Naruto who wasn't even trying to kill him.
Gaara was a jinchuriki who was using shukaku so I don't see your point there.
His life wasn't in danger against neji but yeah i'll give you that one.
:sy: it seems you're the one not reading correctly I said its true in my previous comment that he was given Kurama but that he still had to master it.. no one else was able to do it previously except him. No where did I mention in my previous comment that you said he was given kurama's power Lol

edit: dont try to make yourself look smart and fail at it afterwards

 

[CrimsonFire]

I fail to understand why some people defend a under develop character like Sakura? Does not make any sense to me lol

 

[Dazuza360]

I think Kishi overdid the whole 'Sakura being a weak crybaby and being so useless' thing. She didn't need that as a character. I think one or two powerful scenes of her self-recognition as to how pathetic she was compared to Naruto and Sasuke should have been enough to trigger a real change in her instead of her being almost fodder up until far into Shippuden.

Spoiler

But now almost overnight and out of the blue he drops a mind-blow that shes been storing up chakra for 3 years and suddenly gets epic. It seems a little rushed tbh and almost like kishi forgot about her as a character. I wish sakura had a little more screen time to show her development and training etc. rather than just imply it happened. It would make her an overall more relatable and balanced character.

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

Haha yup ONE of the reasons
Yeah its true it saved him a few times but it held him back with chakra control.. he progressed slower than other students at the academy plus he also lost his parents. If his parents were alive he would learn the Uzumaki sealing jutsus, FTG, Sage Mode, Rasengan and all it's variants, FRS, Summoning jutsu, shadow clone and possibly more. He would still be powerful although not as much as he is now but I think above minato, jiraiya, itachi, and maybe even Nagato.
Also if I remember correctly Haku wasn't really trying to kill them anyways.
Sasuke was given a more stronger curse mark otherwise he wouldn't be able to compete with Naruto who wasn't even trying to kill him.
Gaara was a jinchuriki who was using shukaku so I don't see your point there.
His life wasn't in danger against neji but yeah i'll give you that one.
:sy: it seems you're the one not reading correctly I said its true in my previous comment that he was given Kurama but that he still had to master it.. no one else was able to do it previously except him. No where did I mention in my previous comment that you said he was given kurama's power Lol

edit: dont try to make yourself look smart and fail at it afterwards

I can say the same to you.You're inclination that if Naruto parents were alive he would have learn all those jutsus is one of the dumbest things I ever read.For one, even Jiraiya who intelligence was listed as a 5 in the databooks couldn't learn FTG, but we are suppose to believe Naruto would have learn it;What basis do you have for this preconceived notion?

And how would Naruto be more powerful than Shinobis he would have to learn from and shinobis who are far more intelligent then him?If Naruto parents were alive, that would mean Minato would have never stop progressing as a shinobi.Minato would have probably been more powerful than Hashirama if it wasn't for him giving Naruto kurama's power.So there was no way Naruto would have surpass him.You are using ridiculous logic.The strength of the parent doesn't determine the strength of the child.Case in point, Asuma Sarutobi isn't as strong as his father the Third Hokage.Asuma didn't know all Hiruzen's jutsus.Furthermore, saying chakra control held naruto back is a joke.Naruto lack intelligence, was the focal point of his character lack of development early in the series, not just chakra control.Having poor chakra control only means you have to used more chakra for your jutsus, something naruto had plenty of, thanks to Kurama.What really held naruto back wash his low IQ, which isn't something you can blame on Kurama or not having parents.

 

[Murasame]

I can say the same to you.You're inclination that if Naruto parents were alive he would have learn all those jutsus is one of the dumbest things I ever read.For one, even Jiraiya who intelligence was listed as a 5 in the databooks couldn't learn FTG, but we are suppose to believe Naruto would have learn it;What basis do you have for this preconceived notion?

And how would Naruto be more powerful than Shinobis he would have to learn from and shinobis who are far more intelligent then him?If Naruto parents were alive, that would mean Minato would have never stop progressing as a shinobi.Minato would have probably been more powerful than Hashirama if it wasn't for him giving Naruto kurama's power.So there was no way Naruto would have surpass him.You are using ridiculous logic.The strength of the parent doesn't determine the strength of the child.Case in point, Asuma Sarutobi isn't as strong as his father the Third Hokage.Asuma didn't know all Hiruzen's jutsus.Furthermore, saying chakra control held naruto back is a joke.Naruto lack intelligence, was the focal point of his character lack of development early in the series, not just chakra control.Having poor chakra control only means you have to used more chakra for your jutsus, something naruto had plenty of, thanks to Kurama.What really held naruto back wash his low IQ, which isn't something you can blame on Kurama or not having parents.

Except Naruto is the child of prophecy asuma wasn't :sy: Besides everyone is different Naruto is not asuma and vice versa. When did Jiraiya ever tried to learn FTG? I don't ever remember that so can you show me? Minato taught FTG to his guards why not his son? He learned how to use Rasengan a technique that took Minato 3 years to master and naruto mastered it in like a week. I don't see why he can't learn FTG? Kushina taught Minato sealing jutsus.. I don't see why they can't do the same for their son? Its the job of the teacher or parents to pass on their knowledge to their student/son and I don't see any reason why they wouldn't teach Naruto any of their techniques. Please tell me what stops Naruto from learning these techniques? Me using ridiculous logic? Really I thought it was said each new generation surpassed the previous in Naruto no? Yeah I'll agree that Minato would've became way more powerful but as to how much that is unknown... btw you're bashing me for my logic yet you're using it too @bold.. Fail. You're telling me it's unknown how naruto would progress and that he probably wouldn't become more powerful than the shinobi he would learn from yet you're saying that? get out. Naruto isn't as dumb as you seem to believe he's come up with good battle tactics thats fooled ninja like Zabuza or neji. He even found out the 3rd Raikage's weakness from the info he recieved. Intelligence had nothing to do with his jutsu it was kurama's chakra that messed him up.. Jiraiya even said so. Naruto couldn't walk on water until Jman put that seal on him. Jiriaya had 5 intelligence but he never mastered Sage mode Naruto did.. so get out with this intelligence crap. Naruto learned rasengan plus variants with FRS, summoning jutsu, and shadow clone jutsu which was a jonin level technique when he was a kid and he was no genius or intelligent person like minato or jiraiya. Next time don't come at me acting all smart and mighty when you fail at it.

edit:you said he had a lot of chakra thanks to kurama when he already had a large chakra pool by himself.. he summoned thousands of shadow clones with his own chakra against gaara so yeah

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

Except Naruto is the child of prophecy asuma wasn't :sy: Besides everyone is different Naruto is not asuma and vice versa. When did Jiraiya ever tried to learn FTG? I don't ever remember that so can you show me? Minato taught FTG to his guards why not his son? He learned how to use Rasengan a technique that took Minato 3 years to master and naruto mastered it in like a week. I don't see why he can't learn FTG? Kushina taught Minato sealing jutsus.. I don't see why they can't do the same for their son? Its the job of the teacher or parents to pass on their knowledge to their student/son and I don't see any reason why they wouldn't teach Naruto any of their techniques. Please tell me what stops Naruto from learning these techniques? Me using ridiculous logic? Really I thought it was said each new generation surpassed the previous in Naruto no? Yeah I'll agree that Minato would've became way more powerful but as to how much that is unknown... btw you're bashing me for my logic yet you're using it too @bold.. Fail. You're telling me it's unknown how naruto would progress and that he probably wouldn't become more powerful than the shinobi he would learn from yet you're saying that? get out. Naruto isn't as dumb as you seem to believe he's come up with good battle tactics thats fooled ninja like Zabuza or neji. He even found out the 3rd Raikage's weakness from the info he recieved. Intelligence had nothing to do with his jutsu it was kurama's chakra that messed him up.. Jiraiya even said so. Naruto couldn't walk on water until Jman put that seal on him. Jiriaya had 5 intelligence but he never mastered Sage mode Naruto did.. so get out with this intelligence crap. Naruto learned rasengan plus variants with FRS, summoning jutsu, and shadow clone jutsu which was a jonin level technique when he was a kid and he was no genius or intelligent person like minato or jiraiya. Next time don't come at me acting all smart and mighty when you fail at it.

edit:you said he had a lot of chakra thanks to kurama when he already had a large chakra pool by himself.. he summoned thousands of shadow clones with his own chakra against gaara so yeah

Where should I begin with this nonsense!? Let's see, when did Jiraiya tried to learn FTG.I refuses to go look through counterless chapters to find it, so if you want you can start at the beginning of part 2.They show a flashback in that chapter when Jiraiya first ask Naruto to open his seal.Jiraiya explain that if naruto could master kurama's chakra, he could learn a technique he couldn't learn.Now the only technique Jiraiya could have been talking about is FTG.Minato taught FTG to his guard and it took three of them just to used it.Furthermore, Minato gave Naruto's Kurama power because he thought naruto would need it to defeat Tobi/Obito.And just like the Jiraiya, Minato kept hinting at "one jutsu", which he believe naruto couldn't accomplish without Kurama chakra.


As for it was said each generation surpasses the other;what manga have you been reading?It's clear that isn't true because we have been seeing countless Kages from the pass who are far stronger than the shinobi now.


As for naruto's intelligence, showing clever moments in battle and being intelligent are two different things.Naruto is clever sometimes but that isn't intelligence.You bring up the Zabuza battle as if Naruto showed some great intellect in that fight.Let me remind you, Naruto enter the fight on the Bridge using a smoke bomb annoucing his present to everyone.Kakashi even called him and idiot.He also stuck up on Sasuke inside Haku's ice prison, a move so stupid it mindnumbing.The Neji fight was just one clever trick, but the battle wouldn't have ever gotten that far without Kurama giving Naruto chakra.Which goes back to why naruto needs Kurama.As for finding out the 3rd Raikage weakness, any chunin with half a brain could have figure that out with the amount of information given to Naruto.That is not clever or intelligence, it's normal.Who couldn't put two and two together?


As for Jiraiya saying it was Kurama chakra messing up Naruto chakra control.That's something you made up.Jiraiya said Orochimaru's five point seal that Orochimaru put over Minato seal was causing naruto poor chakra control.But Orochimaru only put that seal on naruto during the chunin exam in the forest of death.Before that Naruto had poor chakra control as explain by Ebisu when he compare his ability to control his chakra to Sakura and Sasuke

You must be registered for see images

As for what you bolded, my information is based on the manga.Minato was called a genius who would surpass all, by damn near everyone in the series.Jiraiya, Tsunade, Hiruzen (Third Hokage), and even his former enemy A(Raikage).To put it simply kid, there is a basis for my theory.You on the otherhand is just making something up without any basis other then Mommy and Daddy are strong.

As for more of your stupidity, Toad Sage Mode doesn't require intelligence.It was never once mention as a requirement.What was mention is the will to never give up.Sage Mode is simply keeping still and balancing your chakra.And if you had read the chapter when Naruto first started to learn Toad Sage Mode, he couldn't grasp the concept at all ,until Gamakichi explain it too him in a child like manner.Using ice cream as an example.

You must be registered for see links

Leaving Toad Sage Fukasaku amazed at his stupidity.


Naruto learn rasengan, a weaker version than Minato's or Jiraiya and only using a short cut of using two hands as oppose to Jiraiya and Minato who use it with one.Rasenshuriken naruto didn't learn until he was 16, not really a kid, and he needed the help of two jonin, who again had to explain the process in child like manner, go reread the chapter just for naruto to grasp the concept.Furthermore, this was all accomplish only because of the amount of chakra naruto could used, Kurama anyone.Anyone can learn summoning jutsu, Jiraiya himself learn it as a child.This is not a show of intelligence, which you are obviously too stupid to understand.The only thing you need is the hand signs and a contract with

You must be registered for see links

.And even something as simple as that, naruto had a hard time accomplishing.Jiraiya even said Naruto had no talent at all.When and why did naruto start to succeed? He tap into Kurama chakra out of fear, when Jiraiya threw him over a cliff.

Also, you assume Naruto summon all those shadow clones with his own chakra, what proof do you have?None I'm guessing.Variantion of Rasengan, pointless.They are all jutsu that are close range which is meaningless.Sasuke made numerous varaition of Chidori, except unlike Naruto rasengan variations, Sasuke variation serve a purpose.A sphere for mid range attacks, chidori current for defense , Chidori Senbon for mid range and multiple opponents.Those are jutsus evented by an intelligent person.Naruto variation don't require much intelligence at all.All most all of them beside Rasenshuriken just requires adding more chakra to rasengan.


I think I crush most of your nonsense, discredited enough of your lies with facts(proof provide), so I'm done here

 

[Murasame]

Where should I begin with this nonsense!? Let's see, when did Jiraiya tried to learn FTG.I refuses to go look through counterless chapters to find it, so if you want you can start at the beginning of part 2.They show a flashback in that chapter when Jiraiya first ask Naruto to open his seal.Jiraiya explain that if naruto could master kurama's chakra, he could learn a technique he couldn't learn.Now the only technique Jiraiya could have been talking about is FTG.Minato taught FTG to his guard and it took three of them just to used it.Furthermore, Minato gave Naruto's Kurama power because he thought naruto would need it to defeat Tobi/Obito.And just like the Jiraiya, Minato kept hinting at "one jutsu", which he believe naruto couldn't accomplish without Kurama chakra.


As for it was said each generation surpasses the other;what manga have you been reading?It's clear that isn't true because we have been seeing countless Kages from the pass who are far stronger than the shinobi now.


As for naruto's intelligence, showing clever moments in battle and being intelligent are two different things.Naruto is clever sometimes but that isn't intelligence.You bring up the Zabuza battle as if Naruto showed some great intellect in that fight.Let me remind you, Naruto enter the fight on the Bridge using a smoke bomb annoucing his present to everyone.Kakashi even called him and idiot.He also stuck up on Sasuke inside Haku ice prison, a move so stupid it mindnumbing.The Neji fight was just one clever trick, but the battle wouldn't have ever gotten that far without Kurama giving Naruto chakra.Which goes back to why naruto needs Kurama.As for finding out the 3rd Raikage weakness, any chunin with half a brain could have figure that out with the amount of information given to Naruto.That is not clever or intelligence, it's normal.Who could put two and two together?


As for Jiraiya saying it was Kurama chakra messing up Naruto chakra control.That's something you made up.Jiraiya said Orochimaru's five point seal that he put over Minato seal was causing naruto poor chakra control.But Orochimaru only put that seal on naruto during the chunin exam in the forest of death.Before that Naruto had poor chakra control as explain by Ebisu when he compare his ability to control his chakra to Sakura and Sasuke

You must be registered for see images

As for what you bold, my information is based on the manga.Minato was called a genius who would surpass all, by damn near everyone in the series.Jiraiya, Tsunade, Hiruzen (Third Hokage), and even his former enemy A(Raikage).To put it simply kid, there is basis for my theory.You on the otherhand is just making something up without any basis other then Mommy and Daddy are strong.

As for more of your stupidity, Toad Sage Mode doesn't require intelligence.It was never once mention as a requirement.What was mention is the will to never give up.Sage Mode is simply keeping still and balancing your chakra.And if you had read the chapter when Naruto first started to learn Toad Sage Mode, he couldn't grasp the concept at all until Gamakichi explain it too him in a child like manner.Using ice cream as an example.

You must be registered for see links

Leaving Toad Sage Fukasaku amazed at his stupidity.


Naruto learn rasengan, a weaker version than Minato's or Jiraiya and only using a short cut of using two hands as oppose to Jiraiya and Minato who use it with one.Rasenshuriken naruto didn't learn until he was 16, not really a kid, and he needed the help of two jonin, who again had to explain the process in child like manner, go reread the chapter just for naruto to grasp the concept.Furthermore, this was all accomplish only because of the amount of chakra naruto could used, Kurama anyone.Anyone can learn summoning jutsu, Jiraiya himself learn it as a child.This is not a show of intelligence, which you are obviously to stupid to understand.The only thing you need is the hand sights and a contract with

You must be registered for see links

.And even something as simple as that, naruto failed time after time.Jiraiya even said Naruto had no talent at all.When and why did naruto start to succeed? He tap into Kurama chakra out of fear, when Jiraiya threw him over a cliff.

Also, you assume Naruto summon all those shadow clones with his own chakra, what proof do you have?None I'm guessing.Variantion of Rasengan, pointless.They are all jutsu that are close range which is meaningless.Sasuke made numerous varaition of Chidori, except unlike Naruto rasengan variations, Sasuke variation serve a purpose.A sphere for mid range attacks, chidori current for defense , Chidori Senbon for mid range and multiple opponents.Those are jutsus evented by an intelligent person.Naruto variation don't require much intelligence at all.All most all of them beside Rasenshuriken just requires adding more chakra to rasengan.


I think I crush most of your nonsense, discredited enough of your lies with facts(proof provide), so I'm done here

Lol this is just too much nonsense although I'll admit you did catch me a few times @bold. I'm not going to bother countering all of what you said it's just a waste of my time.. You changed what I actually said.. Im not basing naruto off of his parent's strength never did I imply that I said it was the parents/teachers job to pass their knowledge on to their student/son. Plus youre using hype to support minato... hype isn't always true. Naruto surpassed those who became before him like Jiraiya, Minato, and Kakashi. Gaara surpassed his father. Sasuke has most likely surpassed Itachi and Kakashi. Minato surpassed Jiraiya. These are examples and there is more to come. Point is you can't argue that Kurama didn't affect his Chakra control I mean once naruto was fully cooperating with Kurama he gained one of the best if not best chakra control feat in the manga. I'll agree that Naruto is dumb you've proven me wrong on that but the whole point is that Naruto would be able to learn all these techniques through his hard work... Also just because Jiraiya couldn't do it doesn't mean Naruto can again everyone is different... Also at the beginning at what you said are assumptions it hasn't been confirmed.. you still haven't provided me a scan. When was it ever said that Naruto's rasengan was weaker please show me proof.