[Discussion] Sakura Haruno blew it

[MissShakra]

It was NEVER a competition, clearly. You just stated she doesn't care for naruto in that way, any NaruSaku fan was just holding onto things that weren't there. Also don't say she doesn't care for naruto generally and doesnt show him respect because then i will assume you lied about seeing every episode(filler included) and manga chapters. swoosh.

cant say sakura fans are holding onto nothing. the last like 500+ chapters shows an obvious reciprocation of feelings between the two. kishi is just stepping up the game for sakura and letting hinata finally do something other than stalk naruto and he might actually be building a story between them. only time will tell! but yeah, kishi was hinting for like 10 years on sakura and naruto....hes made subtle hints too about hinata, but those moments havent shown until recently (pein incident-current). he could just be throwing everyone for a loop, or maybe he is confirming the development of feelings for hinata on naruto's part, only time will tell!

 

[PTran5]

What I hate the most about Sakura is that she took a long time to truly recognise the things that Naruto has done for her, and for the village, proudly. Naruto has always tried to get her attention, but in the end Sakura just ignores or gives him a bump in the head. Lately I notice this has changed, meaning there is still hope for NaruSaku fans out there.
Hinata knew straight away that Naruto was the man of her dreams, and this made me realise that Naruto deserves a woman who's been very supportive to him from the very beginning - and that woman is Hinata. Recently Kishi gave many hints to us that Naruto will choose Hinata, and that's why I am 95% certain that this will indeed happen.

 

[Joshutsu]

No, she really can't surpass Tsunade in the medical field cause again it would serve no purpose in Sakura's big picture. So why do it in the first place? For GP?

What you said about Tsunade is what makes her the weakest Hokage and Sannin by far. When Pain came to Konoha, she stood back and healed. I can't even think of ANY Kage that would do that...Any They be at least confronting Pain in a minute.

About the panel time. If panel time is wasted to a Sakura upgrade that would later prove to be useless, it would be worthless.

And finally, she even doesn't have to be strong. For a main character, she borderline irrelevant. Combine that with the fact that she is weak, its like WTF...

I could argue that Tsunade has develop more then Sakura in shippuden...and that's disturbing in itself.

Tbh with the pain set up that attacked the village i don't see how any kage could have exactly been effective in handling it by themselves, her approach was a good one if you ask me, plus i dont think any of the kage could surpress the almighty push maybe hashi since hes so hyped up. her running around smashing regenerating pains would have been pointless.

and why would her surpassing tsunade in the medical field not serve purpose? Tsunade is very important in the medical division just like shikamarus and inos dads as they died (unconfirmed) ino and shika took charge i figure sakura's big picture could revolve around her being as important as tsunade is in that field you now overseeing serious ssurgery or performing them etc.

and yes i agree tsunade has gotten more development she actually got a decent fight this time and her seeing dan again, jiraya death, the works.

 

[Joshutsu]

cant say sakura fans are holding onto nothing. the last like 500+ chapters shows an obvious reciprocation of feelings between the two. kishi is just stepping up the game for sakura and letting hinata finally do something other than stalk naruto and he might actually be building a story between them. only time will tell! but yeah, kishi was hinting for like 10 years on sakura and naruto....hes made subtle hints too about hinata, but those moments havent shown until recently (pein incident-current). he could just be throwing everyone for a loop, or maybe he is confirming the development of feelings for hinata on naruto's part, only time will tell!

If Naruto manages to captivate her that is, and i specified narusaku fans from sakura fans for the reason that people tend to instantly group me into the narusaku fans because i like sakura but thats not the case i tbh would not mind whether it was sakura hinata or someone else i actually like hinata alot except for her growing her hair

 

[MissShakra]

If Naruto manages to captivate her that is, and i specified narusaku fans from sakura fans for the reason that people tend to instantly group me into the narusaku fans because i like sakura but thats not the case i tbh would not mind whether it was sakura hinata or someone else i actually like hinata alot except for her growing her hair

i apologize, i was stating in general, not you specifically. just saying that there has been tremendous amounts of development between naruto and sakura...what is if for? we dont know yet. It seems romantic, but yet kishi has done a great job of keeping sasuke apparent in sakura's mind and having hinata pop in and out of the picture.

idk nor care really anymore who will end up with who. all i know is, sakura fell in love with sasuke because he was popular kid, hot, and because he complimented her forehead (this was naruto in disguise). i fell that moment is crucial and will come back way later in the story, just like how kishi foreshadows alot of things...not saying that will change the romantic triangle but its something like that that would make sakura know she loves naruto and has loved him the whole time. Hinata has loved naruto though from the beginning (she was super creepy at first)...she is either there as a obstacle for narusaku, no one, or it is proof that in the case of emotions, no amount of hard work and admiration can necessarily change ones feelings and she will get the guy she wants. no matter what though, sakura is one of the best in the leaf...she isnt a powerhouse but shes done alot of behind the scenes work and for people who only care about fighting techniques, no amount of time spent on her will change their opinion unless she become op.

 

[MrsJDepp]

yeah..and again, saskura here, sakura there. We could also discuss about...well I don't know..maybe the fact that hashi and the other hokages were revived or that neji is dead and Obito a crybaby/***** and that sasuke will maybe turns good..BUT NOO!! SAKURA IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT!! GUYS, SHE WASNT EVEN IN THE MANGA SINCE HINATAS SPEECH. She's soooo unimportant for the war, and at the Moment also for the Story line. She will get her big moment but til then let's talk about something else.

 

[Joshutsu]

yeah..and again, saskura here, sakura there. We could also discuss about...well I don't know..maybe the fact that hashi and the other hokages were revived or that neji is dead and Obito a crybaby/***** and that sasuke will maybe turns good..BUT NOO!! SAKURA IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT!! GUYS, SHE WASNT EVEN IN THE MANGA SINCE HINATAS SPEECH. She's soooo unimportant for the war, and at the Moment also for the Story line. She will get her big moment but til then let's talk about something else.

She isn't the only one who disappeared sai did as well, and you know he can use a bird ot w/e i think they went somewhere (the kage most likely)

 

[iKaras]

Tbh with the pain set up that attacked the village i don't see how any kage could have exactly been effective in handling it by themselves, her approach was a good one if you ask me, plus i dont think any of the kage could surpress the almighty push maybe hashi since hes so hyped up. her running around smashing regenerating pains would have been pointless.

and why would her surpassing tsunade in the medical field not serve purpose? Tsunade is very important in the medical division just like shikamarus and inos dads as they died (unconfirmed) ino and shika took charge i figure sakura's big picture could revolve around her being as important as tsunade is in that field you now overseeing serious ssurgery or performing them etc.

and yes i agree tsunade has gotten more development she actually got a decent fight this time and her seeing dan again, jiraya death, the works.

Her approach didn't work at all. Pain was killing wayyyyyy faster than she was healing. Not even debatable. Then the nuke made her actions absolutely pointless as damn near every fodder in Konoha died. Pain did more positive than Tsunade.

Sakura's entire existence/actions has been based on mainly Sasuke then Naruto. Her upgrading now would do what for who?

For the record, i'm not ignoring medical related jutsu. You defending this medical stuff is nonsense. Everything you stated can or is done by a SIDE CHARACTER.

Tsunade doing all that is one thing, Sakura is suppose to be doing more than just that NOW. Way more then just cry and heal on the side line. What other main char has ever been this irrelevant in manga history?

 

[Joshutsu]

Her approach didn't work at all. Pain was killing wayyyyyy faster than she was healing. Not even debatable. Then the nuke made her actions absolutely pointless as damn near every fodder in Konoha died. Pain did more positive than Tsunade.

Sakura's entire existence/actions has been based on mainly Sasuke then Naruto. Her upgrading now would do what for who?

For the record, i'm not ignoring medical related jutsu. You defending this medical stuff is nonsense. Everything you stated can or is done by a SIDE CHARACTER.

Tsunade doing all that is one thing, Sakura is suppose to be doing more than just that NOW. Way more then just cry and heal on the side line. What other main char has ever been this irrelevant in manga history?

katsuya did save some skins from the push. and her set up did work thought they may have been fodder alot of ppl were assisted with healing from her its basically implied and what else am i suppose to defend about them? medical ninjutsu is their thing.

If you say she should have gone out and faced off with them, that would have been as pointless as that especially since noone knew where nagato was but ofcourse naruto found him. Sakura has had a fight before as well if you forgot she and chiyo took on sasori even though he let himself be killed they still did work and it showed she had potential.
Eveything after that was kishis fault what a good way to start her off for time skip and then just toss backwards development on her. I rather not carry on the discussion anymore though we will just have to wait and see what becomes of sakura at the end of the series i guess

 

[iKaras]

katsuya did save some skins from the push. and her set up did work thought they may have been fodder alot of ppl were assisted with healing from her its basically implied and what else am i suppose to defend about them? medical ninjutsu is their thing.

If you say she should have gone out and faced off with them, that would have been as pointless as that especially since noone knew where nagato was but ofcourse naruto found him. Sakura has had a fight before as well if you forgot she and chiyo took on sasori even though he let himself be killed they still did work and it showed she had potential.
Eveything after that was kishis fault what a good way to start her off for time skip and then just toss backwards development on her. I rather not carry on the discussion anymore though we will just have to wait and see what becomes of sakura at the end of the series i guess

Lets agree to disagree. Cool with me~

 

[Itachi Edo]

That's the thing. I can make that statement because she hasn't done anything to this point in time. And this Manga has hit its climax and now she's gonna start evolving? A main character???

Naruto-

J-Man didn't perfect Sage mode while Naruto did. He surpassed him as he should of. And the thing is...

Naruto's abilities now would totally fodder his abilities at pain arc. That's how much's he's evolved.

Sasuke-

He surpassed Oro once he got his MS. Then he gets Susanoo...then it evolves over and over again. Now Sasuke is a one man army with his EMS and Amaterasu wielding Susanoo...and this EMS Susanoo isn't done evolving. His past self wouldn't stand a chance.

Sakura-

I just don't see what she can have under her sleeve at this point. And even if she did for argument sake-

A. It would be a total a$$pull by Kishi.
B. She still wouldn't surpass her current sensei Tsunade in Medical and strength...and if she did, it be an even greater a$$pull.

And her stepping up. Again to what? Her entire development has been based on Sasuke believe it or not. She gonna get an upgrade and fight on par with who? Sasuke? Obito? Madara? Oro? ten tail? Are you kidding me?

Its too late for that. Her only strength will be TNJ and Healing. That's the honest truth.

To be fair I think one of two things might happen. Kishi had Kakashi hint twice that Saskura had a strong affinity for Genjutsu. She could show a huge natural talent if this Moon Eye Plan works. Second in terms of Tsunade she did have 3 years with her. Tsunade could have had her try to learn a hidden medical technique that she suddenly masters. Chiyo already said she thought Sakura would pass Tsunade.

 

[Penguin]

How irony when sakura as medical ninja knew how to hurt people most :sy:

Oh my gawd. This is great!

OT: Sakura got her hair cut one time and saved people!

 

[saltal]

Saltal, I gave one example that I stated nailed the final nail in the coffin with me. If you want a SERIOUS example, let's use this hypothetical. Do you think Sakura respects and LOVES Naruto enough to do what Hinata did for Naruto when Pain was about to kill/seriously harm him? Literally sacrifice herself to save Naruto?

Yes, I think Sakura respects and loves Naruto (though as a brother, not romantically). For the record, I think that Hinata's sacrifice during the Pain fight was romantic and heroic - and a completely idiotic act. She was ordered to not interfere. If she wanted to save him, organizing a combined attack with other Ninjas would have been the way to go. Instead she jumped without thinking into a fight she had no chance of winning or making the slightest difference to. She put everyone's life at a grave risk when Naruto went out of control. A Ninja is supposed to use their brain, especially in tough situations - she hardly ever does.

I just personally feel that she simply does not give Naruto the love or respect in ACTION, not words that Naruto should clearly have after all of the things he has done throughout his life to protect Konoha, others and especially her (at least in respect and admiration) even if he does act childish at times! That is all I am saying. A little concern and affection would go a LOOOOONNNNGGGG way if given to Naruto.

She has shown concern and love to Naruto throughout the story (examples are too numerous to list here), and the last thing Naruto (or anyone for that matter) needs from a teammate is blind admiration and a groupie. She is a great teammate for Naruto, precisely because she stands up to him. Her one fault with him is that she tries to protect his feelings by not telling him the truth sometimes.

 

[iKaras]

To be fair I think one of two things might happen. Kishi had Kakashi hint twice that Saskura had a strong affinity for Genjutsu. She could show a huge natural talent if this Moon Eye Plan works. Second in terms of Tsunade she did have 3 years with her. Tsunade could have had her try to learn a hidden medical technique that she suddenly masters. Chiyo already said she thought Sakura would pass Tsunade.

What she gonna escape from a tsukuyomi or something? If Sakura has anything to do with this moon eye plan, it would be a huge stretch by Kishi.

And a strong affinity for genjutsu huh?...Yeah Kakashi's word is as good a dirt. But lets go with that just for argument sake. From here on out, any main enemy with genjutsu can and would take out Sakura with genjutsu.

Does she even have any genjutsu? Don't remember.

With the Tsunade training Sakura some medical technique...Yeah she could of, but she didn't That should be obvious. Would have been shown by now.

And is nobody sick of waiting for Sakura to surpass Tsunade? She has been on a standstill for years!

 

[iKaras]

Yes, I think Sakura respects and loves Naruto (though as a brother, not romantically). For the record, I think that Hinata's sacrifice during the Pain fight was romantic and heroic - and a completely idiotic act. She was ordered to not interfere. If she wanted to save him, organizing a combined attack with other Ninjas would have been the way to go. Instead she jumped without thinking into a fight she had no chance of winning or making the slightest difference to. She put everyone's life at a grave risk when Naruto went out of control. A Ninja is supposed to use their brain, especially in tough situations - she hardly ever does.



She has shown concern and love to Naruto throughout the story (examples are too numerous to list here), and the last thing Naruto (or anyone for that matter) needs from a teammate is blind admiration and a groupie. She is a great teammate for Naruto, precisely because she stands up to him. Her one fault with him is that she tries to protect his feelings by not telling him the truth sometimes.

Lol a Ninja is suppose to use their brain you say? Especially in tough situations??? Oh you mean like when Sakura tried to solo Sasuke with a kunai???

A S-Class international criminal?
Gassed Kiba, Sai, and Rock lee on the way?

She put everyone life in danger with damn near every choice she made during team 7 reunion. /end

 

[saltal]

Lol a Ninja is suppose to use their brain you say? Especially in tough situations??? Oh you mean like when Sakura tried to solo Sasuke with a kunai???

A S-Class international criminal?
Gassed Kiba, Sai, and Rock lee on the way?

She put everyone life in danger with damn near every choice she made during team 7 reunion. /end

So you are saying that Hinata' brainless act that put the entire village at risk is a mark of heroism, love and dedication, to be admired and commended. But Sakura's poorly planned attack on Sasuke, which she took far from any civilians, and even ensured that her teammates were out of harm's way - is an irresponsible act that endngered everyone? They both acted foolishly, but Sakura at least had a plan and took care not to endanger anyone but herself.

 

[iKaras]

So you are saying that Hinata' brainless act that put the entire village at risk is a mark of heroism, love and dedication, to be admired and commended. But Sakura's poorly planned attack on Sasuke, which she took far from any civilians, and even ensured that her teammates were out of harm's way - is an irresponsible act that endngered everyone? They both acted foolishly, but Sakura at least had a plan and took care not to endanger anyone but herself.

Whoa wait a sec, Im not defending Hinata at all. She's just as stupid as Sakura.

 

[MissShakra]

yeah, hinata's act of selflessness was an act of selfishness in alot of ways. hinata's love for naruto is the same as sakura part 1's love for sasuke, and i find both selfish loves. Hinata didnt think about the village or anyone else, hell she didnt even consider naruto's feelings. both attempts were dumb, but sakura planned hers out much better (besides the confession, she should have worded that all differently)

 

[iKaras]

yeah, hinata's act of selflessness was an act of selfishness in alot of ways. hinata's love for naruto is the same as sakura part 1's love for sasuke, and i find both selfish loves. Hinata didnt think about the village or anyone else, hell she didnt even consider naruto's feelings. both attempts were dumb, but sakura planned hers out much better (besides the confession, she should have worded that all differently)

No way Sakura plan was good. Its was a lose lose situation.

I mean how the hell is going to Sasuke with just a posion Kunai was gonna turn out a success? She should of put 2 and 2 together when team 7 reunited at oro's hideout.

Did she think Sasuke was weak then? Of course not...He was on a whole other level from her and Naruto.

She's wasn't thinking. It was stupid.

And for some damn reason, she thought Sasuke was stupid enough to believe her wanting to join him.

That level of stupidity rivals Hinata's if not, was worst imo.

 

[Thorium]

both attempts were dumb, but sakura planned hers out much better (besides the confession, she should have worded that all differently)

So Sakura trying to convince Sasuke she had left Konoha and then trying to kill him with a kunai was a good plan? Not to mention she couldn't even stab him with the kunai when she had the opportunity to...

Hinata didn't have a great plan either but at least she was willing to go through with it. In the end it sparked the Kyuubi transformation which allowed Naruto to get out of the Chibaku Tensei and meet Minato.