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[RedRobin]

Can't really recall it being said anywhere that the curse mark requires strength to keep active. The page you linked also doesn't prove anything to help your feeble case.



Don't give me such rubbish. Your claim is that someone being near death prevents them from channeling chakra, I proved your case wrong with 5 others (to add a 6th, recall Tsunade summoning Katsuyu when being bisected). Where is your evidence that these "top tiers" were able to continue channeling chakra simply because they were superior to Kidomaru? You have no proof to back up this nonsense "top tier" claim.

Yet I have all the evidence I need to show that being in a near-death state does not disallow a ninja from using chakra, while at the same time having just as much proof that the Gentle Fist is solely responsible for blocking off Kidomaru's access to the Curse Seal.

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I was trying to show you him slowly dying from the gentle fist blow. But yeah he looks totally ok to channel chakra according to you.

You actually dont have any evidence of anything. You whole point is based on what Kido says as his curse mark recedes and we already know its receding because he is dying. You are turning it into something totally different.

All those characters are stronger than Kido. Just because they did something doesnt mean Kido can. Its as simple as that.

 

[BLAZE]

Is all you know how to do is mock?

Yeah since only thing u do is rinse and repeat garbage

And yeah, just go ahead and ignore Jiriaya's very similar case.

Oh yeah the guy tiers above kido since he is a sage and sannin who was dying but was still able force himself back to life with willpower [

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Yeah a dying kido couldn't perform it since he is tiers below jiraiya.

 

[Made in Heaven]

we already know its receding because he is dying.

You claim this with no evidence when I've already shown you the opposite with several characters.

You are turning it into something totally different.

Coming from someone who has no evidence, that's rich.

All those characters are stronger than Kido.

How does that validate the fact that they were able to still channel chakra? Your claim is that being near death or greatly injured would prevent one from channeling their chakra, yeah? Were they not in the same situation as Kidomaru? Their skill in ninjutsu is irrelevant, as they are still dying, so their bodies too are shutting down, yet they were all shown being able to use chakra.

Just because they did something doesnt mean Kido can. Its as simple as that.

And how do you know Kidomaru couldn't do it? Literally ever single character we've seen that was in a near-death state throughout the entirety of the manga was shown to still be able to channel chakra, yet you want to ignore all that evidence and insist that Kidomaru's inability to channel his chakra was cause he was dying rather than Neji's gentle fist?

 

[BLAZE]

Is this guy still asking why kido couldn'to something that surprised Deva :| and clearly ignores both jiraiya and itachi's case are of willpower smh

 

[Icelerate]

Even if the Yin seal opens up chakra points, it isn't instant and during the time the chakra points are blocked, Byakogou won't be able to regenerate Sakura, allowing her to be killed within that time frame.

 

[RedRobin]

You claim this with no evidence when I've already shown you the opposite with several characters.



Coming from someone who has no evidence, that's rich.


How does that validate the fact that they were able to still channel chakra? Your claim is that being near death or greatly injured would prevent one from channeling their chakra, yeah? Were they not in the same situation as Kidomaru? Their skill in ninjutsu is irrelevant, as they are still dying, so their bodies too are shutting down, yet they were all shown being able to use chakra.



And how do you know Kidomaru couldn't do it? Literally ever single character we've seen that was in a near-death state throughout the entirety of the manga was shown to still be able to channel chakra, yet you want to ignore all that evidence and insist that Kidomaru's inability to channel his chakra was cause he was dying rather than Neji's gentle fist?

Just because Tsunade willed through being bisected doesnt mean other characters can. Just because Kushina is strong enough to stay alive for a few second before her death doesnt mean kido can, he would die on impact of a blow like that. I dont know how else to explain it to you.

You are bringing in other situations with different characters to prove Kido's situation when that does not work.

Sasuke could hardly keep his curse mark up because he was exhausted and out of chakra, let alone Kido who is on the brink of death.

 

[neosmith500]

trying to imply kido has some kind of healing that would help him to heal the injuries caused while he was falling out

Sasuke could hardly keep his curse mark up because he was exhausted and out of chakra, let alone Kido who is on the brink of death.

Thats irrelevant , sakura getting her tenketsu blocked = sakura without the ability to channel chakra , meaning no healing from the organ damage she would've simultaneously sustained. Even if the seal is capable of restoring the tenketsu , as Icelerate said "It isn't instant" and sakura wont be able to heal in that time frame along with the fact that sakura's focus would be solely on restoring the blocked tenketsu by pulling out the chakra in the seal which leaves a exploitable interval between sakura trying to pull out the seals chakra and sakura re-starting her healing process due to the initial blockage of her tenketsu and thus the link/connection from her byakugoo to her body , forcing her to try and re-establish that link by gathering chakra all over again then restartin her byakugoo.


Kido lost the ability to channel chakra and sustain CM clearly due to neji's tenketsu attacks at the end , can clearly tell from his hand gesture that these were in fact tenketsu attacks.

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[Made in Heaven]

Just because Tsunade willed through being bisected doesnt mean other characters can.

Just because Kushina is strong enough to stay alive for a few second before her death doesnt mean kido can

You are bringing in other situations with different characters to prove Kido's situation when that does not work.

FFS, this is the same thing you're doing when you compare Kurama's highly potent chakra to Sakura's fodder chakra to argue that she could open the closed chakra points, just like with my comparison between Kido and Kushina (according to you), your comparison between Tailed Beast chakra and fodder chakra is the exact same. Talk about being hypocritical

 

[RedRobin]

FFS, this is the same thing you're doing when you compare Kurama's highly potent chakra to Sakura's fodder chakra to argue that she could open the closed chakra points, just like with my comparison between Kido and Kushina (according to you), your comparison between Tailed Beast chakra and fodder chakra is the exact same. Talk about being hypocritical

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the Rinnegan and sage chakra.

Here is Sakura moving and keeping Byakugo active while being stabbed with a stick which should have stopped her chakra:

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Seeing as how Byakugo overcame something that should have stopped her chakra like gentle fist I would say it works the same against gentle fist. Seeing as how byakugo allowed her to move in the same way Naruto's bijuu chakra did I would say it would open chakra points in the same way.

So even if Neji stopped the curse mark it wouldnt matter anyway because Yin seal as shown here is different from the curse mark.

 

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Interesting discussion.

 

[Made in Heaven]

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the Rinnegan and sage chakra.

Here is Sakura moving and keeping Byakugo active while being stabbed with a stick which should have stopped her chakra:

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The only other thing to overcome the spikes is

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Seeing as how Byakugo overcame something that should have stopped her chakra like gentle fist I would say it works the same against gentle fist. Seeing as how byakugo allowed her to move in the same way Naruto's bijuu chakra did I would say it would open chakra points in the same way.

So even if Neji stopped the curse mark it wouldnt matter anyway because Yin seal as shown here is different from the curse mark.

Nice try, really. For a second I thought you'd won this argument.

Note that Hashirama says that the spikes were forced through his pressure points by Madara, preventing him from using chakra, same way how Pain made sure to hit Naruto in specific areas.

This doesn't at all mean that Madara hit sakura's points as well, especially not when he hardly considers her any sort of threat. Madara gave so little care to her, he allowed Naruto and Sasuke to save her. So to argue that he would even bother to hit her point when all he did was simply raise his hand is ludicrous. Especially when you understand that sending chakra to the rods is something that's done by one's will, not automatically, meaning Madara can choose to stab and stop one's chakra, or to simply stab.

You also seem to like to pretend that all it takes is one rod to stop one's chakra, yet Madara made sure to stuff Hashirama and Tobirama with a multitude of them, likewise for Pain in subduing Naruto, which goes to show stabbing with one rod isn't enough to prevent the target from molding chakra.

Ultimately, the Nine Tails being able to reopen sealed chakra points was retconned when Himawari one-shotted her father with a Gentle fist strike. So even then, your argument has nothing to stand on.

 

[RedRobin]

Nice try, really. For a second I thought you'd won this argument.

Note that Hashirama says that the spikes were forced through his pressure points by Madara, preventing him from using chakra, same way how Pain made sure to hit Naruto in specific areas.

This doesn't at all mean that Madara hit sakura's points as well, especially not when he hardly considers her any sort of threat. Madara gave so little care to her, he allowed Naruto and Sasuke to save her. So to argue that he would even bother to hit her point when all he did was simply raise his hand is ludicrous. Especially when you understand that sending chakra to the rods is something that's done by one's will, not automatically, meaning Madara can choose to stab and stop one's chakra, or to simply stab.

You also seem to like to pretend that all it takes is one rod to stop one's chakra, yet Madara made sure to stuff Hashirama and Tobirama with a multitude of them, likewise for Pain in subduing Naruto, which goes to show stabbing with one rod isn't enough to prevent the target from molding chakra.

Ultimately, the Nine Tails being able to reopen sealed chakra points was retconned when Himawari one-shotted her father with a Gentle fist strike. So even then, your argument has nothing to stand on.

Of course now its makes a difference between many spikes instead of one. Yet Sasuke couldnt even touch them until he got the rinnegan and sage chakra. Lets stop making excuses please. Simple touching the rod is dangerous since it contains chakra

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. And it did nothing to Sakura.

Not to mention Pain hit specific spots to avoid vital organs.

And there you go jumping the gun with a ridiculous argument. Sakura used to beat the living snot out of Naruto and he would heal in seconds on the next page despite having a huge lump on his head, thats exactly what that Himawari feat is.

 

[RedRobin]

super yang and neosmith500 are so salty. Lol

 

[Made in Heaven]

Sasuke couldnt even touch them until he got the rinnegan and sage chakra. Lets stop making excuses please. Simple touching the rod is dangerous since it contains chakra

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. And it did nothing to Sakura.

Nope, it only contains chakra if the user wants to put their chakra in. No evidence is there to assume Madara put his chakra into Sakura when he stabbed her, given how little he cared for her existence. This is shown, as you said, when Sasuke was unable to touch the rods yet Naruto was able to touch Pain's black rods, as the latter had no chakra in it to harm Naruto.

Oh, and just because "simply touching the rod is dangerous since it contains chakra from the user" doesn't at all mean that the rod would be able to stop the target from molding chakra. Espiecally not when you're showing Naruto being STABBED by Pain.

Also, fun fact, when someone's chakra stops flowing completely, that means they're dead, hence why Neji warned Naruto to give up after using 64 palms on him. This means that the rods don't completely stop chakra flow, so simply one rod, which you can't even confirm was being used to stop Sakura's chakra, would do nothing regardless.

Anyways, regardless of this, it doesn't invalidate my previous post's points, namely, that one rod would not have the power to stop chakra flow on it's own.

And there you go jumping the gun with a ridiculous argument. Sakura used to beat the living snot out of Naruto and he would heal in seconds on the next page despite having a huge lump on his head, thats exactly what that Himawari feat is.

Lay off the anime. The only time Sakura ever did that was in the beginning of part 2, and even then, Naruto commented on how strong Sakura had gotten, a legitimate fact, despite the scene being comic relief. And then the scene cut to a later time, and we know how fast Naruto can heal.

Not to mention that scene where Naruto was poisoned by Sakura's kunai, which too was played for laughs & comic relief, yet it was still a legitimate thing that happened to and affected Naruto. Much like the Himawari scene.

Besides, comic relief is objective, as I personally found Sakura punching Kaguya, DMS Kakashi, and Black Zetsu owning Madara to be some golden comedy; does that mean I get to ignore those feats?

Fact remains, what Himawari did was an actual event that happened, and it shows that the concept of chakra being able to unblock the Gentle Fist was retconned.

 

[RedRobin]

Nope, it only contains chakra if the user wants to put their chakra in. No evidence is there to assume Madara put his chakra into Sakura when he stabbed her, given how little he cared for her existence. This is shown, as you said, when Sasuke was unable to touch the rods yet Naruto was able to touch Pain's black rods, as the latter had no chakra in it to harm Naruto.

Oh, and just because "simply touching the rod is dangerous since it contains chakra from the user" doesn't at all mean that the rod would be able to stop the target from molding chakra. Espiecally not when you're showing Naruto being STABBED by Pain.

Also, fun fact, when someone's chakra stops flowing completely, that means they're dead, hence why Neji warned Naruto to give up after using 64 palms on him. This means that the rods don't completely stop chakra flow, so simply one rod, which you can't even confirm was being used to stop Sakura's chakra, would do nothing regardless.

Anyways, regardless of this, it doesn't invalidate my previous post's points, namely, that one rod would not have the power to stop chakra flow on it's own.


Lay off the anime. The only time Sakura ever did that was in the beginning of part 2, and even then, Naruto commented on how strong Sakura had gotten, a legitimate fact, despite the scene being comic relief. And then the scene cut to a later time, and we know how fast Naruto can heal.

Not to mention that scene where Naruto was poisoned by Sakura's kunai, which too was played for laughs & comic relief, yet it was still a legitimate thing that happened to and affected Naruto. Much like the Himawari scene.

Besides, comic relief is objective, as I personally found Sakura punching Kaguya, DMS Kakashi, and Black Zetsu owning Madara to be some golden comedy; does that mean I get to ignore those feats?

Fact remains, what Himawari did was an actual event that happened, and it shows that the concept of chakra being able to unblock the Gentle Fist was retconned.

You are not going to stop but I am done arguing especially with you. As if I am going to sit here and try and explain to you why Madara would have chakra in his ****ing rod. Nor am I going to waste my time debating with someone who thinks Himawari can oneshot Naruto. You like the hyuga a lot and you are gasping at straws to prove their worth.

 

[neosmith500]

Of course now its makes a difference between many spikes instead of one. Yet Sasuke couldnt even touch them until he got the rinnegan and sage chakra. Lets stop making excuses please. Simple touching the rod is dangerous since it contains chakra

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. And it did nothing to Sakura.

Seeing as how Byakugo overcame something that should have stopped her chakra like gentle fist I would say it works the same against gentle fist. Seeing as how byakugo allowed her to move in the same way Naruto's bijuu chakra did I would say it would open chakra points in the same way.

Didn't kakashi get stabbed by one of those chakra rods and was still able to use chakra?:lol even touched it.

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I guess since Kakashi overcame somthing that should've stopped his chakra and was still able to move and use chakra , it means kakshi can overcome getting his tenketsu blocked too right?? O_O just like sakura can.


Also wat madara used to stab sakura wasn't a chakra rod , it was truth seeker stick.:yeah:

I like Tsunade and Sakura a lot and im now gasping at straws to prove their worth.

I fixed this for u , since u obviously dont have a clue wat ur talking about and run when the going gets tough.:lol

 

[RedRobin]

Didn't kakashi get stabbed by one of those chakra rods and was still able to use chakra?:lol even touched it.

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I guess since Kakashi overcame somthing that should've stopped his chakra and was still able to move and use chakra , it means kakshi can overcome getting his tenketsu blocked too right?? O_O just like sakura can.

Also wat madara used to stab sakura wasn't a chakra rod , it was truth seeker stick.:yeah:

I fixed this for u , since u obviously dont have a clue wat ur talking about and run when the going gets tough.:lol

Are you just missing the part where Kakashi was slowed down to allow Pain to move his head? While Sakura was not stunned in the slightest.

Lets not forget that Sakura went up against Madara's stick while Naruto and Kakashi went up against Pain's.

@Bold Which is even worse.

 

[neosmith500]

Are you just missing the part where Kakashi was slowed down to allow Pain to move his head? While Sakura was not stunned in the slightest.

Irrelevant , it shows that it takes much more than one rod to stop the flow of chakra.
Destorying the straw that u were grasping at.

Lets not forget that Sakura went up against Madara's stick while Naruto and Kakashi went up against Pain's.

Irrelevant , madara/pain still showed that he needed to plant more than one rod in order to stop the flow of chakra unless u can show a scan in which one rod was able to instantly stop the flow of chakra alltogether.

@Bold Which is even worse.

It shows that u dont even have a clue wat ur talking about and is now planning to misinterpret another accurance for u own benefit.

If sakura gets her tenketsu blocked then she wont be capable of channeling chakra and thats a manga-fact.

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Thread title. Neji vs Sakura.

 

[Exaar]

Are you just missing the part where Kakashi was slowed down to allow Pain to move his head? While Sakura was not stunned in the slightest.

Lets not forget that Sakura went up against Madara's stick while Naruto and Kakashi went up against Pain's.

@Bold Which is even worse.

You realize that kakashi was only slowed down because pein chose to sent chakra through the rod into kakashi's body.

The black rods on their own don't have any effect, It is only once chakra is passed through them, their effects take place. Now ask yourself, Why would Madara pass chakra through the rod, when Unlike kakashi's attack to pein, Sakura's attack posed zero threat to him at all.

If you try to claim black rods naturally have an ability to disrupt chakra then here

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and kakashi got stabbed but felt zero effect, moved normally and even formed a jutsu, it wasn't until mid way through his attack he felt anything.

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I haven't read the thread comments but i sure to god hope you aren't using sakura getting stabbed as evidence for gentle fist not working on her.