[Discussion] Sakura and Regeneration abilities

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Sakura and Tsunade, Regeneration abilities, opinions

Fine, lets suppose that storing chakra for 3 years was a fair excuse to get the seal. Even though I believe she could have tried to save her friends since before instead of just staring at deaths and being so selfish for power.


But now, I just hope Kishi won't troll us by allowing her to use Regeneration abilities with no drawbacks, since there is something called Hayflick-limit which is the cell's limit to divide. She isn't Senju and Uzumaki like Tsunade, which gave her a long life span, life force and a big chakra pool with a fast restore time.
That would definitely be an Asspull.


I was never really a hater of Sakura but tbh I really started disliking her since last week's chapter, she may be the main heroine but she has done nothing, and I'm not talking about having raw big powers, but she just has weak mind and will. In other words she was/is a pathetic and selfish character.


From my point of view Tsunade looked more like a main female character since always, she is the opposite of Sakura as a character(Let's be honest, the only similar thing between them is the aggressiveness) and she has always worked hard for everything. Never hesitated to risk her own life for the sake of others and always had an admirable will & determination.


At this point you may think that I'm a Tsunade fanboy but the truth is that Sakura is getting hyped too much this late at the manga so IMO she is getting undeserved powers for such a poor character, even a character like Lee would deserve such thing(He has such an admirable determination as well).


She would still need to demonstrate much more, prove that she is a worthy good person and ninja to be able to claim that she has "surpassed" Tsunade, instead of already bragging about not having to worry about her youth. Lol whut...

But at this time of the manga, any other powerup for her would clearly be a bigger AssPull. Clear sign that Kishi keeps rushing his manga without worrying about leaving plot-holes.



Does anyone else agree?


P.S.

I didn't make up that the Hayflick-Limit rule applies to the manga, Shizune explained that the first time that Tsunade used Creation Rebirth.
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Well I think this is more of the power up she deserved or needed way before this, or st least hinted on.

For example during Pain's invasion she could have been like, "Damn...if only I had more stored chakra..."

Charging three years for a power is kind of useless though so not much of a power up.



As for your Lee comment....I do agree there.


Now like Naruto, two other character possess the Never Give up spirit as well as life struggles: Lee and Hinata. One theme in Naruto had been never giving up and that it will get you somewhere. So how dissapointing that two characters strive like Naruto and honestly don't get anywhere while the main character is freaking rediculous.

Lee and Hinata kinda got screwed there in my opinion. They had the will to never give up, and unfortunately the theme didn't give a damn lol!!!



OT: Sakura's power needed to come at a better time, or have a better write up with hints. Her character has been more caring and less selfish in part II despite some moments of set back.
 
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I definitely forgot about Hinata, I really hate this "plot no jutsu" thing for her character as a "main". Now inb4 she takes great part on defeating Madara with some big asspull of hers...


So next time I read a manga(If I ever do again), I'll make sure the writer is well known for doing amazing smart stories. And not for doing half done things like this.
After so many years reading this manga it is really hard to quit it...
 

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Sakura's power up has been hinted since before the war and she was developing it all this time, she couldn't have used it earlier. It needed precise Chakra Control and focus to be storing part of her Chakra in that spot for three years, this isnt something she could have used in the Pain invasion becuase she didnt have it it then.

What she did int he Pain invasion was more than enough and that was help run the crisis in the hospital and save people's live and get them evacuated. Where is the selfish bull coming from? she one of the most caring and giving ninjas in the village. You people are too focused in the pre shippuden Sakura to realize she is one the Ninjas that has grown and matured the most in the village.
 

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IMO it isn't really fair to compare Sakura and Tsunade in terms of character etc. as a way of measuring Sakura's worth. In terms of their background, age, experience, etc. they are near opposites, how is it fair to compare how we've seen them react in this war to various situations?

Tsunade is a old woman, who has live through more than one war, has watched many loved ones die, etc. That will build a certain character someone. You can't forget that Tsunade hasn't always been so determined and reliable, as she did drop off the radar for years forsaking the Village, laughing at the idea of the will of the fire, spitting on the name Hokage (despite both of those things being inherited from her grandfather and great uncle). Tsunade wouldn't have moments of doubt and un-asuredness as Sakura has had because she has seen many, many, more battles in her life than her. As far as ability goes, Tsunade is a Senju, and has blood from the Uzumaki.

Sakura is a 16 (ish?) young girl who has had limited battle experience outside this war. IMO we can even assume that she has even less than the other Konoha 11, seeing as her team was quasi-disbanded after Sasuke left, then when Naruto went to train with Jiraiya, yet I think it is safe to assume that all the other teams continued regular missions with their teams (that is not to say Sakura never got out, she could have very well done so, but without a permanent team I think that it would be safe to think it would have been infrequently. Tsunade probably continued to train her in the village, but there is only so much that can be learned by that). Also, (as many of the haters like to point out) she comes from "nowhere", and as such represents all the "regular Shinobi".

That being said, I think she does deserve the power up, not just as a main character, but as a way of showing that those who come from nothing can still achieve greatness. I of course can admit that the timing was asspully, seeing as it was needed for Kishi to make his trifecta, and would have been much better, as with anything, if we had actually been able to see more of her striving for this greatness, rather than it flying under the radar and existing mostly off panel. But just because Kishi messed up the timing with his writing, etc. does't mean necessarily mean she was unworthy.
 
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Fine, lets suppose that storing chakra for 3 years was a fair excuse to get the seal. Even though I believe she could have tried to save her friends since before instead of just staring at deaths and being so selfish for power.


But now, I just hope Kishi won't troll us by allowing her to use Regeneration abilities with no drawbacks, since there is something called Hayflick-limit which is the cell's limit to divide. She isn't Senju and Uzumaki like Tsunade, which gave her a long life span, life force and a big chakra pool with a fast restore time.
That would definitely be an Asspull.


I was never really a hater of Sakura but tbh I really started disliking her since last week's chapter, she may be the main heroine but she has done nothing, and I'm not talking about having raw big powers, but she just has weak mind and will. In other words she was/is a pathetic and selfish character.


From my point of view Tsunade looked more like a main female character since always, she is the opposite of Sakura as a character(Let's be honest, the only similar thing between them is the aggressiveness) and she has always worked hard for everything. Never hesitated to risk her own life for the sake of others and always had an admirable will & determination.


At this point you may think that I'm a Tsunade fanboy but the truth is that Sakura is getting hyped too much this late at the manga so IMO she is getting undeserved powers for such a poor character, even a character like Lee would deserve such thing(He has such an admirable determination as well).


She would still need to demonstrate much more, prove that she is a worthy good person and ninja to be able to claim that she has "surpassed" Tsunade, instead of already bragging about not having to worry about her youth. Lol whut...

But at this time of the manga, any other powerup for her would clearly be a bigger AssPull. Clear sign that Kishi keeps rushing his manga without worrying about leaving plot-holes.



Does anyone else agree?

i like the points you make but lets look at it like this..

naruto, sasuke and even lee since you mentioned him all had great ambitions and self determinations.

sakura has been one of those characters that didnt have a big dream like naruto or sasuke. lets compare and bring it back to the very first few chapters. naruto ambition was to be hokage. sasuke ambition was to defeat itachi. sakura ambition was to marry sasuke and be a housewife. you cant compare their ambitions. sakura was just weak mentally.

but over the many chapters and development of sakura, she grew up. her biggest moment was fighting kakashi with naruto and fighting sasori. she showed a new ambition and that was not to be the weakest link between both naruto and sasuke. this is re stated in the recent chapter, she again explains her new found ambition that she has held on to ever since the beginning of the timeskip.

she started off weak but changed and i think she is deserving of this power boost or revealed ace in hand. compare her to other characters like shikumaru and choji who never really had strong ambitions ever. never. both choji and shikumaru stepped up to the plate when the time called for it but sakura has failed sometimes when she needed to deliver. we seen her fail to try to take down sasuke, and failed to "admit" her love to naruto. but something sakura has done that shikumaru and choji hasnt is have a pre determined ambition and goal. i mean she tried. she did.
 

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Thanks for replying

I wanna have an open mind and admit that she deserves more respect because of being the main female character but I'm really having a hard time. Yes, I might like Tsunade too much if I think about it, so I'm just sad that such a young character with little exp is already supposed to "surpass" her. How can you compare Sakura with someone who created and aported so many things to the medicine? I'm sure Tsunade was never taught about the Yin Seal, but only talked some about it perhaps from Mito. So she had to find out the most by herself.
It is not fair for Tsunade to be compared that way and "surpassed" that easily, when she has done much more. She did went off radar but that was on her mid 20's, not as early as Sakura.

I just feel that people are giving Sakura way too much credit. Her attitudes IMO are too cocky at the moment for me too show her some respect.

Any further constructive post for me to see it clearer is very welcomed. :)

P.S. Probably the fanboys are what are bothering me the most, giving the whole
credit to Sakura like if Tsunade never taught her anything.
 
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I get what you are saying when you have a hard time grasping the notion that somehow Sakura, who is still so different in terms of Tsunade (in the ways of my previous post), has "surpassed" Tsunade.

The way I look at it is this: the usage of the term "surpassed" here is not meant to derive the notion of 'at this moment, Sakura is now stronger, and greater than her teacher' but more as, since she is able to use this jutsu now, at this age, with the skill Kishi is having her wield it (being able to hold her own in this battle), shows that she has "surpassed" Tsunade in showing that 'because of these feats, she is showing that she most definitely in time will become a grander shinobi than Tsunade was able to be'.

Did that make any sense? I feel as though my words may have been minced, an my meaning unclear.
 
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Yes, with time it would be fine... But I'm aware that Kishi is well known lately for rushing things. I just don't want him to over do it.

And I just wished she was more original... instead of copy + paste with minor modifications(if any).
 
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Yes, with time it would be fine... But I'm aware that Kishi is well known lately for rushing things. I just don't want him to over do it.

And I just wished she was more original... instead of copy + paste with minor modifications(if any).
Kakashi has hinted that she will suprass Tsunade because of her untapped Genjutsu potential, which she hasnt developed of yet. Sakrau has been nothing but Gracious towards Tsunade, how is that selfish and cocky? She is proving a point to her self and her master.
 

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The Hyakugou seal is a total asspull. Seriously, 3 years to store chakra? 3 YEARS? What perfect ****ing timing that it just so happens that she has been storing it for 3 years to precisely be ready to use it the moment Sasuke comes back. And seriously, how is this a usefull jutsu if it takes her three years to activate? What is she going to tell her opponent to please wait for 3 years before they fight? Ok maybe if it stays there forever like Tsunade's does, but if Sakura's goes away in like 30 minutes that will be the biggest bunch of crap ever. And if you think about it, if she expends enough Chakra, it should go away. Tsunade's has a couple of times when she used up to much, but Tsunade can get it back again pretty quickly since she has about 29929939 times more chakra than Sakura. So basically if Sakura uses it all up in this battle she is going to have to store chakra again for 3 years to use it again? So useless.

At least she didn't go into Sage mode, that would have been even more ridiculous and out of place since she doesn't have enough chakra to even enter sage mode.
 

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Agreed, that's why she should have went with a more original and different style and develop some genjutsu skills, makes no sense how would she be able to exploit the seal if she doesn't have the chakra properties of an Uzumaki to be able to recharge it as fast as Tsunade. By now I can just expect more AssPulls, the manga is hurtful to read. ):

Off topic: Does anyone find funny the way that Madara just chills out? Is he waiting for everyone to be able to Team all at once on him? Lol the "main" characters are so lucky...
 
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The Hyakugou seal is a total asspull. Seriously, 3 years to store chakra? 3 YEARS? What perfect ****ing timing that it just so happens that she has been storing it for 3 years to precisely be ready to use it the moment Sasuke comes back. And seriously, how is this a usefull jutsu if it takes her three years to activate? What is she going to tell her opponent to please wait for 3 years before they fight? Ok maybe if it stays there forever like Tsunade's does, but if Sakura's goes away in like 30 minutes that will be the biggest bunch of crap ever. And if you think about it, if she expends enough Chakra, it should go away. Tsunade's has a couple of times when she used up to much, but Tsunade can get it back again pretty quickly since she has about 29929939 times more chakra than Sakura. So basically if Sakura uses it all up in this battle she is going to have to store chakra again for 3 years to use it again? So useless.

At least she didn't go into Sage mode, that would have been even more ridiculous and out of place since she doesn't have enough chakra to even enter sage mode.
You are getting way ahead of yourself with that assumption or in other words you’re doing some ass pulling of your own,
We dont have enough information to know the specifics of her technique, all we know is that she spent a long time using her chakra precision skills developing it, but if its similar to Tsunade's then one would logically assume that the diamond mark is staying on her forehead from this point onwards.

Kishimoto went with in the direction that was expected and that is each of the disciples of the Sanin had learnt the bulk of their abilities form their masters. Sakura's unique traits will come once she starts developing her Genjutsu skills, until then feel free to continue hating/bashing her because it makes you feel better demeaning and belittling a fictional 16 year old girl.
 
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You are getting way ahead of yourself with that assumption or in other words you’re doing some ass pulling of your own,
We dont have enough information to know the specifics of her technique, all we know is that she spent a long time using her chakra precision skills developing it, but if its similar to Tsunade's then one would logically assume that the diamond mark is staying on her forehead from this point onwards.

Kishimoto went with in the direction that was expected and that is each of the disciples of the Sanin had learnt the bulk of their abilities form their masters. Sakura's unique traits will come once she starts developing her Genjutsu skills, until then feel free to continue hating/bashing her because it makes you feel better demeaning and belittling a fictional 16 year old girl.
Yeah I said that it will probably stay on her forehead forever now, or at least I thought I got that point across. BUT it will disappear if she uses enough chakra, at which point wtf does she do then? Wait another 3 years to get it back? What, is she going to tell an opponent to wait 3 years for her to be ready because she is useless? And no we are really bashing Kishi because he made her character such a disappointment. After all this time she uses Hyakugou(which is just a complete copy of Tsunade's and not her own), which if the entire manga before this has shown, even with Hyakugou I don't see her using any "real" ninjutsu, all that is going to happen is her strength and speed increasing, so she can punch harder. We have never seen her use any ninjutsu that uses handsigns except the release sign to undo genjutsu. And really, if she starts pulling awesome ninjutsu out of her ass now that would be even worse. Plus Kishi could have come up with something better, this is an exact clone of Tsunade's jutsu. At least Naruto/Sasuke took their teachers jutsu's and made it their own, not copy it exactly. And seriously if you think Kishi is going to have Sakura use genjutsu after all this time when he mentioned it like once in the Chuunin exams, you are wishful thinking. Where would she learn these jutsu's? Even Tsunade hasn't done any real ninjutsu. She wouldn't have learned them from her.
 

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While I am glad Sakura got a power-up that pushed her into Kage level. I am disappointed in the timing, there could've been more buildup than one line from the previous chapter and a few from the current chapter. It also irks me that she was well below Tsunade in terms of power but now she is surpassing her.
 

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I don't know, I'm still quite disappointed with all this. Yes I know it's a fictional story but tbh it keeps getting more and more unrealistic and illogical with each chapter.
 
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