[Discussion] Sakura and Regeneration abilities

[Joshutsu]

Re: Sakura and Tsunade, Regeneration abilities, opinions

Fine, lets suppose that storing chakra for 3 years was a fair excuse to get the seal. Even though I believe she could have tried to save her friends since before instead of just staring at deaths and being so selfish for power.


But now, I just hope Kishi won't troll us by allowing her to use Regeneration abilities with no drawbacks, since there is something called Hayflick-limit which is the cell's limit to divide. She isn't Senju and Uzumaki like Tsunade, which gave her a long life span, life force and a big chakra pool with a fast restore time.
That would definitely be an Asspull.


I was never really a hater of Sakura but tbh I really started disliking her since last week's chapter, she may be the main heroine but she has done nothing, and I'm not talking about having raw big powers, but she just has weak mind and will. In other words she was/is a pathetic and selfish character.


From my point of view Tsunade looked more like a main female character since always, she is the opposite of Sakura as a character(Let's be honest, the only similar thing between them is the aggressiveness) and she has always worked hard for everything. Never hesitated to risk her own life for the sake of others and always had an admirable will & determination.


At this point you may think that I'm a Tsunade fanboy but the truth is that Sakura is getting hyped too much this late at the manga so IMO she is getting undeserved powers for such a poor character, even a character like Lee would deserve such thing(He has such an admirable determination as well).


She would still need to demonstrate much more, prove that she is a worthy good person and ninja to be able to claim that she has "surpassed" Tsunade, instead of already bragging about not having to worry about her youth. Lol whut...

But at this time of the manga, any other powerup for her would clearly be a bigger AssPull. Clear sign that Kishi keeps rushing his manga without worrying about leaving plot-holes.



Does anyone else agree?

Uhh Sakura is selfish? Because she didn't build up enough chakra yet in the past to USE it? She had not control over that.

Selfish? Risking her life to get Naruto to stop bearing a burden by going to try and kill sasuke who she knew was strong and could probably kill her.

No determination? Not working hard for anything? Not being a senju, uzumaki, uchiha, or hyuga. Still being able to become a strong shinobi and obtain and master an S-rank technique that required such chakra control not even shizune could do is determination when you are born without any special clan abilities. She would not have gotten there by luck like others.

The fast she said she is not having to worry about her youth always basically says her Hyakugo does not have the drawbacks of the Byakugo. I love how kishi is rushing the manga when certain characters get development than others. Sakura has jumped the ladder of the females in the anime anyhow so i'm not concerned whether you believe she will surpass Tsunade or not. You will read it in the manga for yourself if it comes true.

I'm feeling that the 3 year thing won't be a factor after this. It was probably just a starter.

 

[Chili]

Yes, with time it would be fine... But I'm aware that Kishi is well known lately for rushing things. I just don't want him to over do it.

And I just wished she was more original... instead of copy + paste with minor modifications(if any).

Yeah, it is unfortunate but it is to be expected. Other jutsus that would make her different from (ala sasuke/Oro, Naruto/Jiraiya) Tsunade, take time and plot to develop, which is something that Kishi was simply unwilling/did not care to do for Sakura. At this point if she were to have come out with some other Jutsu, everyone would scream "ASSPULL" even louder than they already are (and they would actually be mostly 100% justified, because there was just no pre existing frame for anything but the Yin Seal (and other possible Tsunade-esque moves derived from it)).

 

[Ryuujin759]

@Joshutsu
1. Staring at others fighting and dying isn't selfish? Just so you can get a powerup?

2. That was just her being and insolent and impertinent person, I thought she was smart but somehow she thought she could solo Sasuke.

3. That magical "super ubber chakra control" in the only thing she ever had, is the only thing that Kishi has to prove her powerups.

4. Don't invent things, Hyakugou = Yin Seal. The exact same thing, she is able to use more chakra out of it just because she is still young so she doesn't need to waste effort on keeping a young body like Tsunade. Having limitless regenerations whenever you want? That's plain stupid. No other asspull would beat that from anyone else.

Oh and it is worth 3 years of storage, when Tsunade did very beast against Madara with only about 2 months worth of storage.

Oh btw just like Itachi said once: "Every jutsu has a weakness"

 

[Joshutsu]

@Joshutsu
1. Staring at others fighting and dying isn't selfish? Just so you can get a powerup?

2. That was just her being and insolent and impertinent person, I thought she was smart but somehow she thought she could solo Sasuke.

3. That magical "super ubber chakra control" in the only thing she ever had, is the only thing that Kishi has to prove her powerups.

4. Don't invent things, Hyakugou = Yin Seal. The exact same thing, she is able to use more chakra out of it just because she is still young so she doesn't need to waste effort on keeping a young body like Tsunade. Having limitless regenerations whenever you want? That's plain stupid. No other asspull would beat that from anyone else.

Oh and it is worth 3 years of storage, when Tsunade did very beast against Madara with only about 2 months worth of storage.

Oh btw just like Itachi said once: "Every jutsu has a weakness"

At your no.1 : what part of could not use seal did you not understand. I can't be much more detailed that that.

no.2 If you think it was impatient and had nothing to do with wanting Naruto to stop shouldering the burden. GO BACK to those chapters.

no3 : It's a pretty damn good reason for her powerups because it is a key attribute needed in all the abilities she posesses. Being a normal girl and being a good shinobi is alot more impressive than being born with special talents and recieving special clan jutsu.

no 4:If it was the exact same thing it would not be called Hyakugou. Yes it is a seal. but it was never specified as yin. Tsunade keeps effort of the young body because she used her byakugou and creation rebirth too much. It shortened her life span making her look older than she should. Tsunade should not look like what she is hiding at her age. You should have known this since part 1.

The 3 years of storage was preparing the seal on her forehead, from now on i'm pretty sure it's staying there. The 3 years was probably the time it takes to put the seal in place initially. 3 years worth of chakra is also alot.

I know every jutsu has a weakness, what does that have to do with my post. I never said it doesnt have a weakness. It does NOT however have to have the same drawbacks as Tsunade's.

 

[boshans]

Uhh Sakura is selfish? Because she didn't build up enough chakra yet in the past to USE it? She had not control over that.

Selfish? Risking her life to get Naruto to stop bearing a burden by going to try and kill sasuke who she knew was strong and could probably kill her.

No determination? Not working hard for anything? Not being a senju, uzumaki, uchiha, or hyuga. Still being able to become a strong shinobi and obtain and master an S-rank technique that required such chakra control not even shizune could do is determination when you are born without any special clan abilities. She would not have gotten there by luck like others.

The fast she said she is not having to worry about her youth always basically says her Hyakugo does not have the drawbacks of the Byakugo. I love how kishi is rushing the manga when certain characters get development than others. Sakura has jumped the ladder of the females in the anime anyhow so i'm not concerned whether you believe she will surpass Tsunade or not. You will read it in the manga for yourself if it comes true.

I'm feeling that the 3 year thing won't be a factor after this. It was probably just a starter.

At your no.1 : what part of could not use seal did you not understand. I can't be much more detailed that that.

no.2 If you think it was impatient and had nothing to do with wanting Naruto to stop shouldering the burden. GO BACK to those chapters.

no3 : It's a pretty damn good reason for her powerups because it is a key attribute needed in all the abilities she posesses. Being a normal girl and being a good shinobi is alot more impressive than being born with special talents and recieving special clan jutsu.

no 4:If it was the exact same thing it would not be called Hyakugou. Yes it is a seal. but it was never specified as yin. Tsunade keeps effort of the young body because she used her byakugou and creation rebirth too much. It shortened her life span making her look older than she should. Tsunade should not look like what she is hiding at her age. You should have known this since part 1.

The 3 years of storage was preparing the seal on her forehead, from now on i'm pretty sure it's staying there. The 3 years was probably the time it takes to put the seal in place initially. 3 years worth of chakra is also alot.

I know every jutsu has a weakness, what does that have to do with my post. I never said it doesnt have a weakness. It does NOT however have to have the same drawbacks as Tsunade's.

First I have to clear something up, it is not Byakugou, it is Hyakugou that Tsunade used against Madara, which is this:

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Strength of a Hundred Technique is the literal English, I don't care what the scan or narutowikia says, it is not Byakugou. There is no Byakugou, it is a mistranslation that everyone still seems to think is the correct word. Anyway, Hyakugou just means she does not need to use a hand sign to heal herself when she gets injured like she does with Souzou Saisei(Creation Rebirth), it is a hand seal free Souzou Saisei:

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The bubble that says seal release most likely says Yin Seal release in the raw japanese, and the scanlators didn't put it in. Now I don't know why the **** Shizune is calling Sakura's jutsu Hyakugou, as it clearly does not look like Strength of a Hundred Technique that Tsunade used, Sakura only has the one small dot which is the Yin Seal, her entire body is not covered in seals like when Tsunade used Hyakugou. Either way, the Yin Seal IS the dot on the forehead, and when you release that seal, you can either use Souzou Saisei or Hyakugou, at least that has been the two jutsu's we have been shown so far that use the Yin Seal. So maybe she is using Hyakugou and for some reason there are no other seals on her body, but I doubt it, since she JUST activated the Yin Seal, and to use Hyakugou you need to release it, not create it. And I doubt that Sakura being younger and not using it to hide her age like Tsunade really has that big of an impact. Tsunade already has a ton more total chakra than Sakura, so it probably negates the amount Sakura would gain from not having to hide her looks.

 

[Draxus]

To the OP: Sakura's new power isn't from the Yin Seal. She's stronger because she's no longer concentrating her chakra to create it. She's basically been gimping herself for 3 years.

Once she releases the chakra in it, then most likely she'll have regenerative abilities.

Yeah I said that it will probably stay on her forehead forever now, or at least I thought I got that point across. BUT it will disappear if she uses enough chakra, at which point wtf does she do then? Wait another 3 years to get it back? What, is she going to tell an opponent to wait 3 years for her to be ready because she is useless? And no we are really bashing Kishi because he made her character such a disappointment. After all this time she uses Hyakugou(which is just a complete copy of Tsunade's and not her own), which if the entire manga before this has shown, even with Hyakugou I don't see her using any "real" ninjutsu, all that is going to happen is her strength and speed increasing, so she can punch harder. We have never seen her use any ninjutsu that uses handsigns except the release sign to undo genjutsu. And really, if she starts pulling awesome ninjutsu out of her ass now that would be even worse. Plus Kishi could have come up with something better, this is an exact clone of Tsunade's jutsu. At least Naruto/Sasuke took their teachers jutsu's and made it their own, not copy it exactly. And seriously if you think Kishi is going to have Sakura use genjutsu after all this time when he mentioned it like once in the Chuunin exams, you are wishful thinking. Where would she learn these jutsu's? Even Tsunade hasn't done any real ninjutsu. She wouldn't have learned them from her.

I wonder if you commented on how stupid Kotoamatsukami and it's 10 year cool down was?

 

[Mistraal]

Did...

Did you just try to apply real life biology to fake ninja powers?

 

[veggetta13]

I understand (if being extremely hopeful in the writing abilities, means understanding) that Sakura praciticed martial arts at its pick by having a lot of discipline. Kishi portrayed a shinobi´s discipline being played by the most common and weakest link, in this case Sakura. Comparing her, with both teamates of team 7, she was the least shiny.. and there you go, a troll upgrade.

It is esthetically correct as I have felt the character. Lost for 350 chapters, Sakura comes back nicely, wasn´t it the same as she fought Sasori (a sudden upgrade, momentarily hero acting heroess) and then just playing witness in most scenes played around her?

Kishi´s choice is always right, he could´ve played her deaths way but it wasn´t, it is nice not having utility people around the -arguably- final chapters of the story, all former youth teams synchronized in power kicking some ass, and many to be sacrificed.

nICE eNDING ON the road

 

[Regulus]

Did...

Did you just try to apply real life biology to fake ninja powers?

These powers aren't fake, they are so real. Little do people know Naruto is based on a true story.

 

[Mistraal]

These powers aren't fake, they are so real. Little do people know Naruto is based on a true story.

Now if I can only convince my bf to try Kage Bunshin in the bedroom... :hooray:

 

[Ryuujin759]

Did...

Did you just try to apply real life biology to fake ninja powers?

Shizune explained that on Part I when Tsunade realeased the seal ...

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[Regulus]

Now if I can only convince my bf to try Kage Bunshin in the bedroom... :hooray:

Good luck with that.

 

[boshans]

To the OP: Sakura's new power isn't from the Yin Seal. She's stronger because she's no longer concentrating her chakra to create it. She's basically been gimping herself for 3 years.

Once she releases the chakra in it, then most likely she'll have regenerative abilities.



I wonder if you commented on how stupid Kotoamatsukami and it's 10 year cool down was?

Nice try but KA most likely doesn't have a 10 year cool down in the person that actually had it. Meaning Shisui obviously doesn't have to wait 10 years to use his own ****ing MS, it has a 10 year cool down when his eyes are taken out of his body and put in a damn crow and put into Danzo, and Danzo obviously only had to wait like an hour or so to use it again(yea because of magical Senju DNA but still).

Plus I already said that obviously Sakura will have the Yin Seal forever now, it's not like she can use it for 10 minutes and then has to wait 3 years. It will be there until she exhausts her entire chakra, and then it will disappear, but if she doesn't use all of her chakra it won't disappear. Or if she uses Souzuo Saisei or Hyakugou, if she uses those two it will disappear also. Plus I agree that she didn't even use any power that has anything to do with the seal yet anyway. All she did was create the Yin Seal finally, the punch she did was just her normal power. To use the seal you need to release it, not create it. When you release it you get the lines either all over your forehead or over your body, like Tsunade. So she didn't use the seal and we will know when she does.

 

[lion fang master]

Re: Sakura and Tsunade, Regeneration abilities, opinions

Fine, lets suppose that storing chakra for 3 years was a fair excuse to get the seal. Even though I believe she could have tried to save her friends since before instead of just staring at deaths and being so selfish for power.


But now, I just hope Kishi won't troll us by allowing her to use Regeneration abilities with no drawbacks, since there is something called Hayflick-limit which is the cell's limit to divide. She isn't Senju and Uzumaki like Tsunade, which gave her a long life span, life force and a big chakra pool with a fast restore time.
That would definitely be an Asspull.


I was never really a hater of Sakura but tbh I really started disliking her since last week's chapter, she may be the main heroine but she has done nothing, and I'm not talking about having raw big powers, but she just has weak mind and will. In other words she was/is a pathetic and selfish character.


From my point of view Tsunade looked more like a main female character since always, she is the opposite of Sakura as a character(Let's be honest, the only similar thing between them is the aggressiveness) and she has always worked hard for everything. Never hesitated to risk her own life for the sake of others and always had an admirable will & determination.


At this point you may think that I'm a Tsunade fanboy but the truth is that Sakura is getting hyped too much this late at the manga so IMO she is getting undeserved powers for such a poor character, even a character like Lee would deserve such thing(He has such an admirable determination as well).


She would still need to demonstrate much more, prove that she is a worthy good person and ninja to be able to claim that she has "surpassed" Tsunade, instead of already bragging about not having to worry about her youth. Lol whut...

But at this time of the manga, any other powerup for her would clearly be a bigger AssPull. Clear sign that Kishi keeps rushing his manga without worrying about leaving plot-holes.



Does anyone else agree?

I would have to disagree with u. First of all she is not performing any regeneration jutsu yet what she has done is store chakra in a place for 3yrs so incase she need to perform the jutsu but by been able do so she now has the ability of complete chakra control just like naruto has chakra shape control down and sasuke has chakra manipulation down.

 

[Draxus]

Nice try but KA most likely doesn't have a 10 year cool down in the person that actually had it. Meaning Shisui obviously doesn't have to wait 10 years to use his own ****ing MS, it has a 10 year cool down when his eyes are taken out of his body and put in a damn crow and put into Danzo, and Danzo obviously only had to wait like an hour or so to use it again(yea because of magical Senju DNA but still).

Plus I already said that obviously Sakura will have the Yin Seal forever now, it's not like she can use it for 10 minutes and then has to wait 3 years. It will be there until she exhausts her entire chakra, and then it will disappear, but if she doesn't use all of her chakra it won't disappear. Or if she uses Souzuo Saisei or Hyakugou, if she uses those two it will disappear also. Plus I agree that she didn't even use any power that has anything to do with the seal yet anyway. All she did was create the Yin Seal finally, the punch she did was just her normal power. To use the seal you need to release it, not create it. When you release it you get the lines either all over your forehead or over your body, like Tsunade. So she didn't use the seal and we will know when she does.

Wow... don't remember that little clause being stated in the manga, 'kay whatever. h:

My point merely was that I never saw anyone talking about how dumb the 10 years was for KA. Seemed most people felt it made the ability more BA that it had to have such a stipulation. However people treat the 3 years to prepare Hyakugou as a punch line.

 

[Kishi Uzumaki]

Re: Sakura and Tsunade, Regeneration abilities, opinions

Sakura has surpasstsunade in one technique doesn't mean she has surpassed tsunade in every way.
tsunade is more powerful .look at the way naruto surpass jiraiya in sagemode but jiraiya was able use simple
techniques in highest levels even itachi and kisame didn't wanted to fight him even naruto couldn't surpass him in everyway.

 

[MrDuck]

Now if I can only convince my bf to try Kage Bunshin in the bedroom... :hooray:

Just try to master (infinite) tsukuyomi, all your bedroom problems shall be solved then .

 

[Ryuujin759]

Re: Sakura and Tsunade, Regeneration abilities, opinions

Sakura has surpasstsunade in one technique doesn't mean she has surpassed tsunade in every way.
tsunade is more powerful .look at the way naruto surpass jiraiya in sagemode but jiraiya was able use simple
techniques in highest levels even itachi and kisame didn't wanted to fight him even naruto couldn't surpass him in everyway.

Thanks, that really helped me undersatnd some things now. It is the same with Sasuke and Orochimaru.

But it's just that I have this little fear and feeling that Sakura is going to get every single thing Tsunade has now, or almost all. And will be better with poor or no explanation.